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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 08:48 AM Apr 2017

Trumps missile attack on Syria was justified with fake intelligence: experts

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/trumps-missile-attack-on-syria-was-justified-with-fake-intelligence-experts/

Trump’s missile attack on Syria was justified with fake intelligence: experts
Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet
18 Apr 2017 at 23:23 ET

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But these assertions are not clear, consistent or convincing, said Theodore Postol, a professor of Science, Technology, and International Security at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Postol, who has received numerous awards for his work on missile systems and has worked for the Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, looked at the same information sources cited by the White House and concluded in a 14-page analysis that, first of all, whatever happened in Khan Shaykhun was not the result of an air attack.

“It’s important to be clear about what I’m saying,” he told AlterNet. “I’m saying that a so-called White House intelligence report issued on April 11 is totally inconsistent with the claims it’s making. I’m not so much saying that I know what happened, because actually I don’t. What I do know is that this report was, to be blunt, fabricated without the intelligence methodologies that it claims to have used. Because I have data that I have been poring over… for example, there’s video data of this crater that they allege was the source of an air attack, an air munitions. It was not an air munition. You could see that very easily.”

“So the issue is that the White House issued a false intelligence report and the reasons {why} I don’t know,” Postol said. “But one possibility is they are trying to cover up their tracks because they didn’t know what was going on and they attacked a foreign power. And that is not good.”


Bennis agreed that the White House intelligence report doesn’t prove what it claims.

“The four-page white paper released by the White House, purporting to prove that the Syrian government was responsible for the chemical weapons attack, does not provide any of the actual evidence they claim to rely on,” she said, commenting by email. “It makes a set of assertions, describes the kind of information they have, and essentially then says ‘trust us.’ It appears to be a White House (that is, political) document, not the official position of intelligence agencies themselves. It does not provide anything close to proof, or even evidence, of the who, the what or the how of the chemical attack.”


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Less than 100 days into Trump’s presidency, the White House has failed to pass a single major piece of legislation. Instead, beyond placing a right-wing justice on the Supreme Court with the GOP-majority U.S. Senate’s help, Trump has already committed an act of war: an unauthorized attack on a foreign power. And his administration has fabricated the evidence for that attack, an intelligence report that doesn’t prove what it purports.

As Postol said, something is going on with the nation’s intelligence apparatus and the politics surrounding it, and it’s not making the world a safer place.
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Trumps missile attack on Syria was justified with fake intelligence: experts (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2017 OP
K&R... spanone Apr 2017 #1
Would an administration be so craven and fearful of exposure... yallerdawg Apr 2017 #2
Twitler and his minions lied? Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #3
So it was a falsehood. I understand why it's hard for the Trumpers to say, but why is the Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #4
VOX weighed in and agrees with you-no one cares... babylonsister Apr 2017 #10
Soooo that's all Repuke "pre*idents can do. DK504 Apr 2017 #5
Has it even been proven that sarin gas was used? panader0 Apr 2017 #6
Turkish scientists confirmed it... killbotfactory Apr 2017 #20
Not putting Turkish scientists here, but I would like second opinion. panader0 Apr 2017 #21
It's possible, but there's no actual evidence in this piece one way or the other. hedda_foil Apr 2017 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Apr 2017 #8
Russian setup woundedkarma Apr 2017 #9
I may be a bit cynical, denvine Apr 2017 #11
that was my first thought. niyad Apr 2017 #19
So now we have to decide FakeNoose Apr 2017 #12
Is there a better source than Rawstory for this? Foamfollower Apr 2017 #13
Here's the analysis from the professor. VOX also has a story out... babylonsister Apr 2017 #15
I posted this story from when this happened berni_mccoy Apr 2017 #14
The hits lillypaddle Apr 2017 #16
Duh anything that convenient is obviously a set up askyagerz Apr 2017 #17
Didnt stop prominent democrats from bashing anyone who questioned the evidence... killbotfactory Apr 2017 #22
Yep askyagerz Apr 2017 #23
colour me sooooooo NOT surprised. niyad Apr 2017 #18

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
2. Would an administration be so craven and fearful of exposure...
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 09:02 AM
Apr 2017

as to dream up and orchestrate events like these for any of multiple reasons?

Stay out of modern American history if you think this isn't possible.

Phoenix61

(17,011 posts)
3. Twitler and his minions lied?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 09:26 AM
Apr 2017

Wouldn't surprise me a bit. That it would be a lie that could be proved to be a lie hasn't seemed to matter in the past so I'm not sure why anyone would think it would matter now. They are the worst thing that has ever happened to this country.

Baitball Blogger

(46,755 posts)
4. So it was a falsehood. I understand why it's hard for the Trumpers to say, but why is the
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 09:53 AM
Apr 2017

media having trouble calling these people liars?

DK504

(3,847 posts)
5. Soooo that's all Repuke "pre*idents can do.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 10:38 AM
Apr 2017

Blow shit up and lie about the reasons or can't be bothered to act correctly on the information.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
21. Not putting Turkish scientists here, but I would like second opinion.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:23 PM
Apr 2017

It is possible that chorine was the killer gas, and that it was stored in a building that
was bombed. I don't know. I just don't automatically believe what the White House
says. Rescuers were using their bare hands to wash down the victims. I watched
the videos. If sarin was used, the rescuers would have died too.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
7. It's possible, but there's no actual evidence in this piece one way or the other.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 10:50 AM
Apr 2017

Something happened to those people that certainly behaved like poison gas. He's saying that he doubts it was dropped from a plane because of something to do with the crater.

Maybe he's right, but it reads to me like another case of "trust me, I'm an expert no one has ever heard of."

The asshole in Chief and his gang of thugs are more likely to behave stupidly than not, but this piece is pretty flimsy.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

 

woundedkarma

(498 posts)
9. Russian setup
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 10:55 AM
Apr 2017

I'm guessing whoever this guy is he was either given this info or he's a russian plant.

I am not defending and never will defend trump.

This sure looks like a setup by putin though because putin people came out immediately after the bombing and started saying that the u.s. (trump) planted the sarin evidence using a bomb laced with something that would test positive as sarin.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-putin-idUSKBN17D1K9

My uneducated guess :p is that putin either encouraged assad or set up the sarin attack himself. Then they start laying this foundation that the U.S faked it. Then they release the evidence or pay off some guy to analyze it and say something that supports their claim.

This is either another full on Russian info attack or it's russia taking advantage. Either way, it hurts the U.S and not just trump and we need to call out russia on this bull.

denvine

(802 posts)
11. I may be a bit cynical,
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:16 AM
Apr 2017

But, I have always felt as though this was a coordinated distraction. Coordinated with Russia & Syria to take the heat off of Trump's failing presidency and to make people think that Trump and Russia are not buddies. They had nothing to lose and it worked for Trump. The media couldn't say enough good things about it. They knew the strike was coming, so no big loss. I don't trust Trump to put country or anyone ahead of himself.

FakeNoose

(32,713 posts)
12. So now we have to decide
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:18 AM
Apr 2017

... who's more likely to have lied?

The Trump administration or the Putin flunkies?
Or are they pretty much the same thing?




 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
13. Is there a better source than Rawstory for this?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:19 AM
Apr 2017

No offense, but RawStory tends to throw a spin on things that doesn't pan out in reality.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
14. I posted this story from when this happened
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:20 AM
Apr 2017

Richard Clarke had posted this on his FB page and when I posted here it was removed as a kooky CT.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
17. Duh anything that convenient is obviously a set up
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:52 AM
Apr 2017

Every expert that saw that crater and smashed munition was like wait a minute that doesn't make any sense whatsoever

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
22. Didnt stop prominent democrats from bashing anyone who questioned the evidence...
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:24 PM
Apr 2017

As Assad apologists or Russian stooges, while cheering on the Trump missle strikes.

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