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Markets are beginning to realize a Trump-fueled economic boom may not be coming
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-economic-data-fed-futures-throw-doubt-on-trump-boom-2017-4
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On Friday, the March reading of the consumer price index showed a decline in prices for the first time since February 2016. Core CPI which strips out volatile food and energy prices fell by 0.1%, its first decline since January 2010.
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According to Robin Brooks, the chief economist at the Institution of International Finance, recent developments on tax reform and infrastructure spending provide another worrisome issue for growth. Brooks wrote in a note on Thursday:
"From a market perspective, much hinges on prospects for U.S. tax reform/cuts, so the news that the Administration will be going back to the drawing board meaning that Secretary Mnuchin's ambitious August deadline for a tax code overhaul plan is unlikely to be reached is disappointing for growth stocks. Similarly, concerns that conservative Republicans may block any substantial infrastructure spending plan have sapped momentum in construction and engineering stocks down over 10% from their late-January peak."
elleng
(131,102 posts)Anyone aware of THIS? 'An analysis of economic performance since World War II under Democratic versus Republican presidents shows that claims that Republicans are better at managing the economy are simply not true. While the reasons are neither fully understood nor completely attributable to policy choices, data show that the economy has performed much better during Democratic administrations. Economic growth, job creation and industrial production have all been stronger.'
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2016/6/the-economy-under-democratic-vs-republican-presidents
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Foriegn Investment has all but stopped.
Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)it's way down. That has a lot of ripples.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)unblock
(52,317 posts)donnie's election certainly caused a few days of market gyrations, but after that, not so much i think.
what they insisted on calling the "trump rally" was well explained as both a natural continuation of the 7-8 year obama bull rally and a reflection of stronger economic data and more bullish fed commentary (itself based on actual economic statistics, no conjecture about the political future).
now the economic data is more disappointing, and the market is retreating. all well explained without consideration of possible politics, tax cuts, whatever.
not to say such things are irrelevant, of course they do have an impact. i just think it's much smaller than they imply, and simple response to economic data is much larger than they imply.
but of course, economic statistics are much less entertaining than politics, so,....
grantcart
(53,061 posts)It was an immediate 10% bump which created 4 trillion in additional market value
You can see it here. Obviously I think it will be wiped away fairly quickly but it is still there. The markets haven't begun to retreat, but I think that they will.
https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/%5EDJI#eyJtdWx0aUNvbG9yTGluZSI6ZmFsc2UsImJvbGxpbmdlclVwcGVyQ29sb3IiOiIjZTIwMDgxIiwiYm9sbGluZ2VyTG93ZXJDb2xvciI6IiM5NTUyZmYiLCJtZmlMaW5lQ29sb3IiOiIjNDVlM2ZmIiwibWFjZERpdmVyZ2VuY2VDb2xvciI6IiNmZjdiMTIiLCJtYWNkTWFjZENvbG9yIjoiIzc4N2Q4MiIsIm1hY2RTaWduYWxDb2xvciI6IiMwMDAwMDAiLCJyc2lMaW5lQ29sb3IiOiIjZmZiNzAwIiwic3RvY2hLTGluZUNvbG9yIjoiI2ZmYjcwMCIsInN0b2NoRExpbmVDb2xvciI6IiM0NWUzZmYiLCJyYW5nZSI6IjF5In0%3D
unblock
(52,317 posts)yes, the market decided eventually to shoot up (after a brief overnight panic) right after the election, but after a few days, donnie's election was old news. he didn't get elected again and again through out the rest of november and through january, and he didn't come out with any great new plans that would have an impact on the market that weren't already known and digested with a few days after the election.
what did change is fresh economic data regarding the 3rd and 4th quarters, showing stronger performance than in the first half of the year. that steady flow of more solid data and better corporate profit announcements is more what causes markets to climb over time, as in this case.
i'll give donnie the first 2-3 days after the election. the rest is really all obama and the economy, until right around now, maybe just a little bit of what donnie's done might be actually having an impact. though even there, i'd argue that his incompetence is, if anything, keeping the obama rally from extending further.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)Here's my analysis, using the S&P 500.
The long term trend channels have been solid, with two resets, during the Obama Presidency.
The so-called Trump Bump wasn't a bump but a continuation of the Obama trend, with his economy still controlling into the beginning of 2017. It hasn't broken through the bottom of the main Obama channel.
But the shorter term trend channel for the "tRump Bump" was a narrowing channel.
Then recently it broke down to the down-side. There is a new trend channel down. The market does not seem to be able to get above the 2350 resistance level. And, perhaps even more noteworthy, it has broken below the 50 day moving average.
I would not be surprised if after some more downward movement it rallies and fails to get above 2350 or lower and then resumes trending down for the coming Trump Slump.
unblock
(52,317 posts)more poetic, yet somehow I think they'll find a way to avoid blaming it on donnie....
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)SO quick to credit Trump from minute ONE of his election . . . "TRUMP RALLY!!" "TRUMP-O-NOMICS!!"
Oh, but what happened in February of 2009?
Their high-blood-pressure wingnut Rick Santelli, he of the flagging career, instantly got it rejuvenated when he publicly took Obama to task for the housing bubble and the Bewsh Recession even though not a SINGLE economic policy had been enacted at that point. They also blamed victims of the crisis and not the banks that lent them polluted money in the first place.
CNBC hasn't changed one iota. In fact, now that their man is in, they've dropped all pretense and proudly shout their Republican cred from the hilltops.
unblock
(52,317 posts)can't recall them giving equal time or credit to a democrat....
louis-t
(23,297 posts)as panic sets in. Market goes down, spending goes down, unemployment goes up, they'll try to save themselves with reckless tax cuts that will make the situation worse.
unblock
(52,317 posts)administration and bull market perhaps ever. gridlock largely prevented much fiscal action (after the initial stimulus) and the economy and the market crept up very gently without much in the way of major corrections.
now we've got the mother of all uncertainties in the oval office, with control of all three branches of government by the same party, which means they have the power to effect great changes over democratic objections. moreover, with their party in disarray, the nature and size and timing of those changes is not easy to predict.
yet all cnbc can talk about it "optimism" and how donnie has "unleashed the animal spirits in the market"
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)to move my daughter's college fund out of stocks. Will consider doing teh same for my retirement accounts soon.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Every CEO better be reading up on UBI because 50-70% unemployment in the over 40yrs non college will wipe out the middle class.
Society needs to be trained on how to live without a job to get up in the morning and not kill each other.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)You can make your posts as deliberately obscure as you like or you can identify mysterious TLA (Three Letter Acronyms) when you use them if you would like to enhance your reader's experience if you are writing for your readers' benefit.
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NewRedDawn
(790 posts)Just Like Bush. Hey Trumpunks get ready to fork out more dough for your pick me up trucks with your fucking little confederate flag decals. It is $2.53 here now in upstate NY. & climbing a few cents daily.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)as have new hiring and foreign investment.
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)His entire business model is leverage at 4:1
That's why thus business genius would be worth 2 billion dollars more than he is had he invested his inheritance AND lived off an average of 40 million a year after taxes
Yep, this "genius" could have lived off of 1.5 billion after taxes and still been 2 billion wealthier had he done nothing
He knows NOTHING about success