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My brother married a woman whose dad is VERY conservative. Most of my family is very liberal, and many of us are atheists. You'd think he would try to fit in with us. My brother participated in a gay rights protest against his church when they fired a gay music director, and the father-in-law was horrified. He won't accept that we just don't agree with him.
I am not boycotting the holidays, because 90% of my family is very liberal. My dad was very liberal and I miss him terribly. It hurts my feelings to have to listen to homophobic and racist shit at the holidays, all coming from one guy. It makes me angry, because my liberal, fun and cool dad is dead while this racist bore is still alive. How can this guy talk to me like this. It's rude. He also said condescending stuff about my dad after he was dead, like, "he sure was an interesting guy."
They think they're not racist, but this is what they say at holidays, "Black people say we're racist, but they have stuff like Black Entertainment Television and the Black Caucus. Can you imagine if there was White Entertainment Television and a White Caucus?" As if my family has no black friends or family on our side, and we do.
I mean, what nuttiness to think that BET and the Black Caucus is racist. Just because the Republican politicians don't say this stuff doesn't mean that their supporters don't think it.
These are people with mainstream Republican politics - middle-class church goers - and they say stuff that also comes out of the mouths of white supremacists. Never let them cow you into saying they're not racist. This is how they really are.
I'm thinking of writing a letter to this guy's pastor asking him why he does not condemn racism coming from his congregation. If religious leaders took a stronger stand against racism, these people might think twice before hurting people's feelings with their views.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)You refer to one "guy" and then you talk about "they". Is your brother's father-in-law the only one w/ these views and do you only see him at "holidays" or are there others like him on his side of the family? If it's just him, I do not understand why everyone must go to his church. You say you aren't boycotting the holidays "because" 90% of your family is liberal". What does one have to do w/ the other?
If it is him, I would not see any reason for you to attend his church. You ask how he can speak to you like this - like what? What is it he is saying to you that you think is rude and personal? Some people are just rude, bigoted and stupid. See: Trump. Because of Trump many right-wingers think it is okay to say a lot of hateful things and do not see their statements as hateful.
I see no reason to write his pastor as the pastor obviously is of the same mind. I don't see why you have to put up w/ any portion of this man's religion, especially if 90% of your family disagrees.
Atman
(31,464 posts)I'm like...huh?
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)However, it was made VERY clear to him early on that he WILL NOT talk that way in my house. I dropped the old "My House, My Rules" deal on him. That was especially satisfying because i know he told my wife that when she was in college! She was an adult. She lived there when not away at school and he does the "my house" bit.
Then he got it dropped on him. It was good for me and for my wife.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 18, 2017, 11:23 AM - Edit history (1)
A LOT. We can't simply walk out when we go down there for holidays. My wife's parents are in their late eighties, and we visit as often as possible to check up on them (wife is an APRN), because none of her siblings know anything about their medical conditions. But, as with many old folks, especially in Florida, it's rare that a visit goes by without a nigger joke or comment. I try to express disgust without starting fights, but it's tough when the entire family gets together, and my wife and I are the only two New England hippie liberals. In fact, we've literally been called the "liberal pukes" in the family. And they wonder why we don't move back to Florida. The best part about visiting her family is leaving.
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)For me, the FiL just lived in a city 24 miles away, so if i was at his place i could just leave and if he was in mine i could kick his ass out and he could just drive home in 40 minutes. Different situation.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Ask him if he listens to talk radio (which is basically all conservative hate radio)
Ask him if he watches Fox news
Ask him how he feels that the super wealthy pays conservative media to lie to America.
Point to the lies Fox news told about Pence's emails, about Trump and healthcare. Then ask him if he believes the wealthy-funded media about tax cuts for the wealthy.
Really if you can get people like this to start questioning their media brainwashing you are half the way there to making them a Democrat.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)The 90% is should stop inviting him. Too often we give them the argument they want instead of the rejection they deserve.
UncleTomsEvilBrother
(945 posts)...similar to my mistake and the mistake many of us have made. We don't think it's necessary to reply to the "absurd". We know that the claims about BET and the Black Caucus being racist makes not sense, but until now, we've never had to articulate why those claims are racist.
You never said that you actually explained to the family racist why he is wrong.
We don't think it's necessary to explain to absurd racist about the lack of/poor representation of Black people in the United States. Similar to Historical Black Colleges and Universities, the NAACP, and other Black institutions, agencies that parallel white structures are not inherently racist.
Oftentimes, the simple mentioning of race becomes a sensitive issue, though.
Again, in these troubling times, we have to actually have to explain the "absurd".
Orrex
(63,224 posts)In my experience, racists (and Conservatives in general) love to pontificate under the assumption that everyone in earshot agrees with them, and if you have the nerve to call them on their racism (or misogyny, or classism, or ignorance), then you're the one who's causing trouble. "Why would you start an argument at the baby's first birthday party? I'm just talking..."
They benefit from people's natural tendency to avoid conflict, and they claim the resulting silence as proof that everyone shares their disgusting views.
Thanks to my community's Facebook page, I've learned that there are quite a few loudmouthed asshole Conservatives happy to spout their hatefulness, but I've also discovered a silent contingent of Liberal lurkers who are reluctant to speak up but who will message me privately to express support. I find that encouraging, and I choose to hope that the people who favor diversity and equality outnumber the bigots who hate the very notion of inclusiveness.
CousinIT
(9,257 posts)..."We don't have an Abraham Lincoln Day! It's just stupid!"
And "well blacks are known to be lazy anyway, at least the males"
Racist to the BONE.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)when we celebrated Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays-before they were combined into President's day? Do they know what President's Day is for?
CousinIT
(9,257 posts)like you say too young to remember celebrating those President's birthdays. Or, just too ignorant to know it happened.
coeur_de_lion
(3,681 posts)"White conservatives confuse loss of cultural dominance with actual oppression."
Its the only thing that made any sense to me about the popularity of Trump.
All these old white men realized during Obama's administration that they are not the ruling class anymore and they have been freaking out ever since.
Sounds like your FIL might fall into that category.
meow2u3
(24,772 posts)Question is, who said this?
coeur_de_lion
(3,681 posts)[link:http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028796929|
www.democraticunderground.com/10028796929
heaven05
(18,124 posts)racist to it's deepest cultural core. AmeriKKKa never got over slavery, whites dying to defend that way of life or not and finally the ex=slaves and generations down the line from slavery finally getting civil and voting rights like the superior race.
NEVER GOT OVER IT and now embodied in the worst, most racist, most sexist, most outwardly thuggish con man potus this modern era has faced. With the worst non-administration of obvious and outspoken homophobes, xenophobes seen in any modern era in ameriKKKa.....if people just spoke up more when their squirrely, snake brains start forming and voicing their thoughts.
I'll never believe that ameriKKKa and MILLIONS of ameriKKKans are anything but deeply racist and can never be trusted in any way ever again....not my president.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But then, I took a step back and thought, whats wrong with black people having their own channel? So much else was taken from them.
And then I thought of it this way... Maybe it's racial but not racist. And maybe racism is only when something degrades or is taken from a race.
BET takes nothing from other races. And as a white person, I'm free to watch it as well. So really, it doesn't look racist to me.
Meh, that's my flummoxed viewpoint. Lol
Boomer
(4,168 posts)Nothing you said is wrong, but you're missing the main point of WHY there is a BET in the first place. Mainstream television excludes blacks or presents them in very stereotyped ways even when they are included.
BET is self-defense against a mainstream white culture. Mainstream TV might was well be called the White Entertainment Channel, because that's basically how the entire industry displays itself. It just doesn't bother including "white" as part of it's self-definition because white is the pervasive default state.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I just didn't mention that part because I figured that's what the majorities understanding of BET was.
I was just expressing the evolution of my individual opinion.
Towlie
(5,328 posts)Yes, his attitude is wrong and yours is right, but the fact remains that both of you believe you're right.
So my question to you is, if everyone else in your family was conservative, would you try to fit in with them?
certainot
(9,090 posts)to stuff like this:
"Black people say we're racist, but they have stuff like Black Entertainment Television and the Black Caucus.
say "that's what limbaugh says".
say it to every racist, ignorant, or asshole thing they say and leave it there. most of their crap can be diverted to limbaugh because he is the king of that realm of bullshit.
their certitude the root of their authoritarian power and people like that get their certitude by riding the rw radio bandwagon - they have limbaugh hannity savage levin at their back blowing in their sails.
once they feel they have to defend limbaugh they're done. if they try ask them if they can list any major issues he's been right about. or even one.
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)If the relatives are already brainwashed by Rush Limbaugh - as so many people are - then saying "That's what Limbaugh says" just reinforces their brainwashing. You're not calling them out and making them think about it, you're reinforcing it.
I grew up in Saint Louis, but my family moved to Pittsburgh when I was in high school (in the 1960's). So it was a red state moving to a blue state experience. It really opened my eyes a lot - I'd never met a Jewish person, hadn't known any black people other than servants, had never met a blue-collar steel worker or factory worker until I came here.
Everyone needs to have their eyes opened in one way or another. If I ever listen to Limbaugh I've already tuned his garbage out, there's no chance he'll convince me of anything. But many people are the opposite, that's all they hear and it sounds normal to them. People don't voluntarily leave their comfort zone, unless it's forced on them.
hurple
(1,306 posts)Last time we visited my parents, my dad was flipping around on the TV, passed BET, and said, exactly, this,
Black people say we're racist, but they have stuff like Black Entertainment Television. Can you imagine if there was White Entertainment Television
My response was, we do... CMT
Oh, he got pissed.
Grins
(7,228 posts)"If religious leaders took a stronger stand against racism, these people might think twice..."
Want to meet in Vegas and put it all on the line supporting that thought?
(Most, but not all, by far) ministers have been preaching care for the unfortunate, love thy neighbor, etc, etc. for decades. And who did almost a majority of Americans vote for in the last election? A Klan-backed ignorant, amoral, dishonest and manipulative narcissistic misogynist who created and stole from his own "CHARITY" and who had ties to both the Russian and American mob. All of that was in plain view for those who would see. And "certain" ministers ignored all that:
They voted for Trump despite his PUBLIC and open caught-on-video-tape comments about molesting and sleeping with single and married women.
They abandoned the way-too-deeply religious nut-bag, Republican, Ted Cruz.
Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, looked the other way.
Jerry Falwell, Jr. invited Trump to his university, supported him, campaigned for him, and also looked the other way.
Gary Bauer of the Campaign for Working Families, looked the other way.
Steve Scheffler of the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition looked the other way and has the brass ones to say, 'Well, Hillary has peccadilloes of her own, i.e., she's married to Bill Clinton.'
Why? Because Trumps message hit home with huge majorities of those white, evangelical voters.
Your post reminded me of a quip about African-American and Republican Congressman, J.C. Watts back when he was a congressman: "J.C., who never quite caught on why the room at the Republican Club went quiet as soon as he walked into the room."