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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:06 AM Apr 2017

Against all odds, a communist soars in French election polls

Last edited Mon Apr 17, 2017, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)

The headline, above, is the original headline published by the Washington Post. That headline has now been rewritten to read Against all odds, a leftist soars in French election polls

By James McAuley April 16 at 7:24 PM

LILLE, FRANCE — A specter is haunting Europe — the specter of Jean-Luc Mélenchon.

In the latest plot twist in France’s highly contentious presidential election, Mélenchon — an outspoken 65-year-old leftist who often appears on the campaign trail via hologram and who has pitched his proposal to nationalize France’s biggest banks and renegotiate its relationship with the European Union via free Internet games and YouTube videos — is now soaring in the polls. With less than two weeks before the election, his meteoric and unexpected rise is already sending jitters through financial markets and shock waves through an increasingly anxious electorate.

For months, analysts have likened the upcoming French election to “Europe’s Stalingrad,” a crucial turning point that will determine the future of a country and a continent. But while commentators worldwide have focused on the steady rise of the far-right, fiercely anti-immigrant National Front of Marine Le Pen, few have paid any attention to the leftist fringe of Jean-Luc Mélenchon, who has vaulted into the picture in the past week and who shares with Le Pen the desire to drastically alter France’s relationship with the E.U., the 28-state bloc it once designed.

Mélenchon is running as the candidate of the Unbowed France political movement, in an alliance with the French Communist Party. The latest polls show him narrowly trailing Emmanuel Macron, long seen as the favorite, and Le Pen, expected to qualify for the final round of the two-round vote but to lose to Macron in the end. In the final days of a truly unprecedented campaign, Mélenchon’s unexpected surge is a reminder that radical change is in the air and that its extremist apostles — on the right or the left — may soon hold power.

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lies

(315 posts)
1. Communist?
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:25 AM
Apr 2017

Hopefully that was just you misunderstanding and not the WaPo making something up again.

He's not a communist. He's a Social Democrat. They're not vaguely related. He's center left in France. Not a communist.

 

lies

(315 posts)
4. Ahh
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:46 AM
Apr 2017

The French Communist Party, which is a misnomer.

He's not a communist. Or even close.

Hes a communist the way Sanders is a socialist, which is to say not at all.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
7. He is NOT communist - Social Democrat who is forming an alliance with communist party of France
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 07:02 PM
Apr 2017

This is no different than the SPD (Sozial Party Deutschland) that is teaming up in an alliance with "Die Linke" and other left groups to then defeat Angela Merkel and the CDU/CSU in Germany.

Unlike our 2 party system in US, the parliamentary system requires majority and alliances to work together to defeat another party


And then they choose together who leads them - usually the one that has a majority of the alliance. The communist party will never win on it's own. But to defeat extreme right like Marine Le Pen, that is how you do it.

Too bad the Wapo story isn't clear on this.

But OP headline is misleading and would be correct to not declaring that a Communist is leading

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
8. The op headline is the exact same one published by
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 07:52 PM
Apr 2017

the WaPo at the time I posted the news article so, please save your wrath for the headline editor of that publication.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
9. No wrath for you - but clearly the original headline was incorrect and was changed to "Leftist"...
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:45 PM
Apr 2017

...which would be indeed the correct description. The incorrect description of him being "communist" is misleading. I just think in the interest of accuracy, it's always great here on the DU that we pay attention to that.

mopinko

(70,111 posts)
3. is there an unseen hand here? makes me pause
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:37 AM
Apr 2017

after what has happened here, is that he was an afterthought whose candidacy is getting a surprising internet boost.
splitting the left for le pen?

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
5. Melenchon and LePen, morror image populists............
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 09:53 AM
Apr 2017

During times of political polarization, the center will not hold. The world is in a "populist" mood in reaction to the neo-liberal establishment that has ruled since Thatcher/Reagan. The only way that you can beat right-wing populism is with left-wing populism. Run an establishment candidate against a populist of EITHER wing during times of heightened class war, and the populist will win.

Which means that LePen will probably win in France because I don't see the establishment allowing Melenchon even a shot at the second round.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,318 posts)
11. Except that Macron, in the centre, is highly likely to beat Le Pen in the runoff
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:40 AM
Apr 2017

if he gets through. Which is not guaranteed, because his support is not firm. Le Monde gives the picture:



While Le Pen's support is 85% 'definite', and Fillon, though in 4th, is 80% definite, Melenchon and Macron's definite support is down in the 60s. And between then is the hapless Hamon, whose 7.5% vote is even less certain - and they might go to either of those two.

In the second round, Macron is the strongest, Le Pen the weakest:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/17/hold-different-second-round-scenarios-would-play-french-election/

(graphic at link, but I can't copy it - in all the possible 2nd round matchups between these 4 leading candidates, Macron wins all, with Melenchon the closest to beating him, at 46-54; Melenchon would beat Le Pen 63-37)

So this looks like a case when the centre is going to win.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
6. This has been a fascinating election to watch, but I wish I knew more of how French elections "work"
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:15 AM
Apr 2017

I know that there will almost certainly be two elections - one with everyone and the other a run off with the top two. In the US, I know that the polling of the parties unlikely to win overstate their actual vote - because when the actual election happens, many people migrate to the better of the two choices - if they prefer one of the minor ones.

Here, I wonder if the voters for Fillon, the center right candidate, might - even though many say they will not change - might move to Macron, if it looks like there is the threat of Le Pen vs Melenchon. The reason is that they might agree more with the proEU, pro business Macron than either of the others. Likewise, could Hamon's supporters move to either Melenchon or Macron.

It must be strange to be in the position that Fillon and Macron are (and I suspect but have not read Melenchon is), where it is a really really close fight to get into the second round --- where they would be far ahead of Le Pen.

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