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MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 02:48 PM Apr 2017

Clearly, Trump is looking for an excuse to bomb North Korea.

When will he do it? Sooner than later, I think. His language, Pence's language. along with other statements seem to indicate that he will take some sort of military action very soon.

I know of no way to stop him from doing so. Brace yourselves, and keep your seat belts fastened. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

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Clearly, Trump is looking for an excuse to bomb North Korea. (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2017 OP
I am so afraid that you're right. Arkansas Granny Apr 2017 #1
I still think he's going to bomb/nuke NK maryellen99 Apr 2017 #2
so seoul would be destroyed JI7 Apr 2017 #3
Exactly correct on both counts Orrex Apr 2017 #6
Not destroyed but certainly damaged.. EX500rider Apr 2017 #9
Of course he is. Lil Missy Apr 2017 #4
You're right but doing so would be short sighted ProudLib72 Apr 2017 #5
I am certain he would do it today, but he does seem to be listening to OldHippieChick Apr 2017 #7
I don't think he'll get to give the order DFW Apr 2017 #8
I agree. EL34x4 Apr 2017 #10
I think the US military will override (hopefully) any orders he gives if they are outrageous. I RKP5637 Apr 2017 #11
No, they won't, actually. MineralMan Apr 2017 #13
This will be the likely Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #14
Scary times MM. Yes, this should be the course of action! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2017 #17
They worked really hard to find an excuse to go into Iraq. Didn't really find a genuine wiggs Apr 2017 #12
trump needs no excuse...and it will be more than a just a bumpy ride if and when he does do it beachbum bob Apr 2017 #15
I was understating deliberately. MineralMan Apr 2017 #23
War has always meant good business for the GOP. lpbk2713 Apr 2017 #16
MIC is licking their chops! Big $$$$$'s in war, death, maiming, destruction and rebuilding. RKP5637 Apr 2017 #20
A war with Democratic People's Republic of Korea would bring the USA to its knees. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #18
shame on congress if they let him do what he 'wishes'..he's looking for ratings..that's all he knows spanone Apr 2017 #19
Yep he knows it will be harder to remove him cbdo2007 Apr 2017 #21
There is no legal way he can do that edhopper Apr 2017 #22
Authorization for first strike nuclear attacks lie solely with the president. briv1016 Apr 2017 #24

Orrex

(63,218 posts)
6. Exactly correct on both counts
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 03:26 PM
Apr 2017

Also, North Korea will likely take a swipe at Japan with whatever it can muster along the way.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
9. Not destroyed but certainly damaged..
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 03:39 PM
Apr 2017

The North Korean military's most powerful tool is artillery. It cannot level Seoul as some reports have claimed, but it could do significant damage. Pyongyang risks deteriorating its forces by exposing them to return fire, however, which significantly restricts their use. Less conventional methods of retaliation, such as sabotage or cyber warfare, are less risky but also limit the shock that North Korea would desire.
After a strike, North Korea's most immediate and expected method of retaliation would center around conventional artillery. Many of the North's indirect fire systems are already located on or near the border with South Korea. By virtue of proximity and simplicity, these systems have a lower preparatory and response times than air assets, larger ballistic missiles or naval assets. Nevertheless, there are several critical limitations to their effectiveness.

The biggest anticipated cost of a North Korean artillery barrage in response to an attack would be the at least partial destruction of Seoul. But the volume of fire that the North can direct against the South Korean capital is limited by some important factors. Of the vast artillery force deployed by the North along the border, only a small portion — Koksan 170-mm self-propelled guns, as well as 240-mm and 300-mm multiple launch rocket systems — are capable of actually reaching Seoul. Broadly speaking, the bulk of Pyongyang's artillery can reach only into the northern border area of South Korea or the northern outskirts of Seoul. All forms of North Korean artillery have problems with volume and effectiveness of fire, but those issues are often more pronounced for the longer-range systems. Problems include the high malfunction rate of indigenous ammunition, poorly trained artillery crews, and a reluctance to expend critical artillery assets by exposing their positions.
Based on the few artillery skirmishes that have occurred, roughly 25 percent of North Korean shells and rockets fail to detonate on target. Even allowing for improvements and assuming a massive counterstrike artillery volley would be more successful, a failure rate as high as 15 percent would take a significant bite out of the actual explosive power on target. The rate of fire and accuracy of North Korean artillery systems is also expected to be subpar. This belief is founded on the observably poor performance of North Korean artillery crews during past skirmishes and exercises. Though inaccuracy is less noticeable in a tactical sense — especially as part of a "countervalue attack," where civilian areas are targeted — at the higher level an artillery retaliation rapidly becomes a numbers game.

Ineffective crews also rapidly curtail the potential for severe damage. Rate of fire is crucial to the survivability of artillery systems — the name of the game is to get the most rounds on target in the shortest period of time, lest your position be identified and destroyed before the fire mission is complete. Poor training translates to a greatly reduced volume of fire and a painfully limited duration of effectiveness.


https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/how-north-korea-would-retaliate

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
5. You're right but doing so would be short sighted
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 03:24 PM
Apr 2017

After the body count in SK including our own troops stationed there, he would be in huge trouble.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
7. I am certain he would do it today, but he does seem to be listening to
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 03:28 PM
Apr 2017

the military, who might not be as anxious to bomb NK as they have been Syria and Afghanistan. Hopefully a clear head will prevail.

DFW

(54,420 posts)
8. I don't think he'll get to give the order
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 03:32 PM
Apr 2017

The number of Congresspeople alone who own Samsung equipment for which they'll need spare parts should stop him in his tracks.

Seriously, the body count on both side of the 38th parallel, would ensure his removal from office within a month. He'd still be cheered by the fanatic 20%, but they would cheer a return of the Third Reich, too, so that can't be taken into consideration when forming policy.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
10. I agree.
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 03:40 PM
Apr 2017

I think the plan, however, is to figure out a way that doesn't flood China with refugees.

There's some sort of regime change in the works. Get rid of Kim but still allow for Juche rule, --albeit a softer, less batshit crazy version that's willing to give up their nuclear program and answers to China.

The risk, of course, is nuclear war.

But, yes,I think it's coming soon.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
11. I think the US military will override (hopefully) any orders he gives if they are outrageous. I
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 03:53 PM
Apr 2017

think they might take out Kim. However, if they launch another missile, then I think all hell might break out.

MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
13. No, they won't, actually.
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 03:56 PM
Apr 2017

They will present a set of possible actions, and will recommend some more than others. It always remains the President's decision, though. That's the system that is in place. The Military cannot override the orders of the Commander-in-Chief. That will not occur at this point.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
12. They worked really hard to find an excuse to go into Iraq. Didn't really find a genuine
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 03:55 PM
Apr 2017

excuse, so they made several up.

lpbk2713

(42,763 posts)
16. War has always meant good business for the GOP.
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 04:07 PM
Apr 2017



The kids of Libs fight and die while wealthy conservatives get even more wealthy.

They are drooling over the possibility of hostilities with NK.


RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
20. MIC is licking their chops! Big $$$$$'s in war, death, maiming, destruction and rebuilding.
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 04:12 PM
Apr 2017

Humans at work.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
18. A war with Democratic People's Republic of Korea would bring the USA to its knees.
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 04:09 PM
Apr 2017

Our nation is not ready for what will happen. It will not be a one-and-done slap on the wrist. The USA will have to deal with retribution of some sort, and it just escalates from there.

It's been nice knowing you all.

spanone

(135,855 posts)
19. shame on congress if they let him do what he 'wishes'..he's looking for ratings..that's all he knows
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 04:10 PM
Apr 2017

north korea's target:

With 28,500 American soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines in South Korea, U.S. forces in South Korea are a major presence in the region and a key manifestation of the U.S. government's aim to rebalance toward the Asia-Pacific.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Korea

edhopper

(33,597 posts)
22. There is no legal way he can do that
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 05:02 PM
Apr 2017

without an act of Congress.

But he will do it anyway and Congress will roll over for him.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
24. Authorization for first strike nuclear attacks lie solely with the president.
Sun Apr 16, 2017, 08:22 PM
Apr 2017

The only person that could stop him would be Pence through use of the 25th amendment, and he appears to be pro-bombing.

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