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NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 10:18 PM Apr 2017

I just heard Ari Fleisher on CNN ...

... telling Paul Begala, who called Trump a “pathological liar”, that such statements are simply an attempt to undermine the Trump presidency.

Since when does pointing out the continual stream of lies coming out of Trump’s mouth, and the mouths of his spokespeople, an attempt to do anything other than the obvious – i.e. point out the lies?

It is Trump’s lies that have undermined his own pResidency from day one – literally. Are we supposed to forget that the Idiot’s first days in office consisted of a barrage of lies about the size of his Inauguration crowd, where we were told not to believe our own lyin’ eyes and instead accept that a brazillion people showed up?

Are we meant to ignore the lies about Trump having won the popular vote, or the lies about millions of illegals having voted in the last election?

Are we supposed to pretend we never heard Trump lie about Obama “tapping his wires”, a claim that was immediately and thoroughly debunked by the FBI and the DoJ? How about the current lies about Susan Rice’s “criminal activities”, which have been proven to be completely legal activities carried out as a normal course of her job?

Seriously, Ari, do you not understand the simple premise that when someone lies – repeatedly, continuously, and somewhat laughingly – it is the LIAR who is undermining his own credibility, and not the people who notice the lies and comment on them? Do you not appreciate that when a liar is called a liar, it’s about the lies and not about some nefarious conspiracy to cast them in some negative light for political purposes?

Jesus Hussein Christ. When a pathological liar – who Trump has repeatedly proven himself to be – gets called-out on his lies, that’s democracy in action, Ari.

If Trump and his cohorts don’t want to be “undermined” by their own lies, there’s a simple way to end that: Stop telling lies. NO lies told means NO lies to be pointed out, focused-on, highlighted, opined upon, discussed, and/or laughed at for their sheer stupidity.

Get it now, Ari? What you’re preaching is akin to telling people that we should simply accept lies as the truth, lest any questioning of those lies be construed as, uh, questioning those lies – and heaven forefend that any American do so.

Apparently, you think the citizenry should “re-accommodate” the truth by embracing “alternative facts”.

BTW, what’s your position on the Bowling Green Massacre? I wouldn’t want to think you questioned that particular lie – which could be seen as “undermining” the administration you feel should never be questioned under any circumstances. So I’m curious as to where you stand on the issue. How about the millions of “illegals” who voted last November – any thoughts on that?

Just wonderin’, Ari – wonderin’ how far you, and other Trumpsters, are willing to sink by saying that lies aren’t really lies – and if they are lies, we should all ignore them in order to support the lying liar who tells them.

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I just heard Ari Fleisher on CNN ... (Original Post) NanceGreggs Apr 2017 OP
Someone wants their old job back..... Txbluedog Apr 2017 #1
Oh, please God, no. AwakeAtLast Apr 2017 #21
YES! skylucy Apr 2017 #2
Is Ari offering his services? Tatiana Apr 2017 #3
"All Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do." Cattledog Apr 2017 #4
If he is breathing. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #5
That guy always was an Asshole! Chasstev365 Apr 2017 #6
Please, seem my old(ish) quote by Ari below, it explains his mindset. herding cats Apr 2017 #7
Right, herding.. fleisher is the ultimate tool and just another Pathological Cha Apr 2017 #19
I think Team Trump is modeling itself after Team W lately world wide wally Apr 2017 #8
Off-topic comment: OldRedneck Apr 2017 #9
Ari should know from lies! Beartracks Apr 2017 #10
Trump is the one doing 90% of the undermining of his presidency. Ilsa Apr 2017 #11
Trump's multiple declarations about how golf wouldn't occupy his time oasis Apr 2017 #12
next time Ari is useful will be the first time. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2017 #13
You get bonus points, Nance, brer cat Apr 2017 #14
Uh-oh...They've made Nance angry... kentuck Apr 2017 #15
dRumpfsters don't see a lie.... Hulk Apr 2017 #16
have mouth, will babble... spanone Apr 2017 #17
Not to suggest some disingenuity on his part, but ... madamesilverspurs Apr 2017 #18
Authority-centered judgment - If the President says it, then it's the truth ck4829 Apr 2017 #20
Except when the POTUS is a Democrat treestar Apr 2017 #24
Bingo ck4829 Apr 2017 #28
Yeah. Telling the truth undermines the dRumpf presidency. Mc Mike Apr 2017 #22
What is wrong with undermining treestar Apr 2017 #23
WTF is wrong with Paul? nikibatts Apr 2017 #25
Because Begala is a huge joke, and always was. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #27
Ari Fleischer is disgusting. Why does anyone care to hear words from his psycho mouth? WinkyDink Apr 2017 #26
Mr. " Watch what you say,watch what you do." argyl Apr 2017 #29

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
3. Is Ari offering his services?
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 10:23 PM
Apr 2017

UGH. Hate him so much. But he lies very easily and doesn't appear to have a conscience. He'd probably be a good fit with this team of deconstructors.

Cattledog

(5,916 posts)
4. "All Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do."
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 10:23 PM
Apr 2017

Ari said this after 9-11 in an attempt to intimidate the press.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
7. Please, seem my old(ish) quote by Ari below, it explains his mindset.
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 10:38 PM
Apr 2017

Ari Fleisher: "Anytime James Carville, Paul Begala and David Axelrod hold hands and jump for joy, it's worth pondering how to turn their joy into tears."

He's partisan to the bone, and always on Team GOP. Which now puts him fully onboard the Trump train by association. It's who he is now and has always been.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
19. Right, herding.. fleisher is the ultimate tool and just another Pathological
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 02:12 AM
Apr 2017

LAIR.

Oh and a fucking asshole.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
9. Off-topic comment:
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 10:55 PM
Apr 2017

Breaking news: Bill O'Lielly announces he's "going on vacation" for a few days.

Rumors are Murdoch wants O'Lielly off the air. Couldn't happen to a more-deserving guy.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
10. Ari should know from lies!
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 11:03 PM
Apr 2017

LIES aren't the problem, dammit! POINTING OUT THE LIES is the problem!



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oasis

(49,392 posts)
12. Trump's multiple declarations about how golf wouldn't occupy his time
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 11:10 PM
Apr 2017

away from his presidential duties, is an indictment in itself.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
15. Uh-oh...They've made Nance angry...
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 11:38 PM
Apr 2017

she just opened a big can of whoop ass on the kingdom of liars residing in Washington. They would have people believe that lies do not matter?

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
16. dRumpfsters don't see a lie....
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 11:45 PM
Apr 2017

I honestly believe they don't recognize "a lie". I honestly believe they are delusional....sick - mentally sick bastards.

This is a cluster of sociopaths that are unable to see any error in their ways and thus are unable to apologize for their evil deeds, because they don't see it. Seriously. They are sick sociopaths. Unable to see reality and need a lobotomy to return to the real world.

I won't go on. You get the gest. They should get pity, but I can only loathe these sick bastards. And fleisher is one very sick, low-life bastard.

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
18. Not to suggest some disingenuity on his part, but ...
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 12:32 AM
Apr 2017

if he acknowledges that Trump lies, he'd pretty much have to admit that his former bosses weren't exactly paragons of honesty. WMDs, anyone?


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ck4829

(35,077 posts)
20. Authority-centered judgment - If the President says it, then it's the truth
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 05:24 AM
Apr 2017

No matter what 'it' may be.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
22. Yeah. Telling the truth undermines the dRumpf presidency.
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 10:18 AM
Apr 2017

I was expecting to hear Fleischer be a loyal bushevik and attack dRumpf, and getting ready to say 'I still hate Ari, anyhow.' It's a real relief that I don't have to add that 'anyhow' part.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
25. WTF is wrong with Paul?
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 10:29 AM
Apr 2017

He should have said to Ari, "I have proof that he is a pathological liar. Where is your proof that he is not?"

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