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<1% reporting, but looking good!
BY WILSON ANDREWS, MATTHEW BLOCH, JEREMY BOWERS AND ADAM PEARCE APRIL 11, 2017, 8:41 PM ET
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
James Thompson
Democrat
14,270 61.4%
Ron Estes
Republican
8,642 37.2
Chris Rockhold
Libertarian
329 1.4
<1% reporting (2 of 620 precincts)
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/kansas-house-special-election-district-4
hlthe2b
(102,298 posts)hmmm....
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)stevepal
(109 posts)When the whole state's results are in, that lead if it still remains will be much smaller. Thompson is a very good candidate, but when the results are supposedly in, it's highly likely that Estes will win. The voting machines are "rigged" in KS, as Beth Clarkson has shown with her exit polling during the last election. The same is true across the country but the tilt is even greater in KS. If Thompson win's by a hair, it will be because he actually won by a landslide.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)It won't involve the whole state, will it?
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)state before the Kock Brothers strangled it to death.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)you live close to where I do. Yes we do want it!
Squinch
(50,956 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I wish I were in New York, but life sent me to this here. I'm fighting for my country!
Squinch
(50,956 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)My gut tells me the race is super close (close enough to be stolen).
I hope he edges Estes. I was so happy that they had Trump do a robocall for Estes. That probably cost him several votes.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I've been here 15 years, and one thing I can say about Kansans, is that they are practical. Brownback has destroyed our schools and economy. Chump has proven himself to be a liar and fraud. I will not be very surprised if we win this election.
redwitch
(14,944 posts)I would love to see the Kansas election results and compare them to today's results.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Kolesar
(31,182 posts)It got a mention in my US History class forty years ago. I would think it would be a big deal.
There is a book in my local library that explains how it changed Congress and got the railroads regulated.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
James Thompson
Democrat
14,704 60.2%
Ron Estes
Republican
9,381 38.4
Chris Rockhold
Libertarian
351 1.4
2% reporting (12 of 620 precincts)
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)Even though it didn't seem likely. I've given up contributing to the DNC and their favored candidates, and I'm just giving on my own.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)If we pull this off, it will be an epic indictment against both Brownbackistan and Chumpy!
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Sad that the local Kansas Democratic Party would not chip in to support him financially. Thank goodness people like yourself and so many others stepped in to help him with mailers and outreach.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)DSCC and DCCC both called this weekend. I told them both the same thing: "Start supporting candidates like Ken Thompson, and then we'll talk. Call back in three months, and we'll see if you've done anything to merit my meager contributions."
Doubtless put the fear of God into them but I have donated to both Thompson and Ossof, and will probably make a donation to this week to Rob Quist.
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)Link: https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk
Also: Tom Bonier here: https://twitter.com/tbonier
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)Go blue!
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,252 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)spanone
(135,846 posts)will it magically flip????
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Closer, but we're still winning!
Norbert9
(494 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)It's early, but he's not getting completely blown out in other counties. He's hanging in there.
Wichita and Sedgwick County will hopefully deliver bigly for Thompson!
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)We are in a much more liberal area of KS, so results like this in Wichita are amazing.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Thompson is a fantastic candidate, but his campaign is pretty world-class, too.
He went straight at Trump and Estes -- he didn't mince words. He stood up for his values and I think voters are responding to his authenticity. Volunteers phone-banked, they went door to door, and they took nothing for granted. They tried to go after every voter.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)by friends of mine who have been pounding the party to stop being just a tiny bit to the left, just so they had a way to run back if someone said boo. To stand up loud and proud and state your intentions without mewling or walking it back when they shake their fingers at you. I have watched this happen slowly due to someone I care very much about and others. He has stuck his neck out and worked as hard as I have ever seen someone work for something here. This IS exactly what a candidate needs to do. Nobody wants to vote for someone not firm on their ideals or weak in the face of opposition. Thompson gave one heck of a speech at Washington days and then introduced Bernie. He was engaging and firm about what is important. Like you said.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts).
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)If he overperforms there (60% or thereabouts), I think he wins this.
NYC Democrat
(295 posts)So far Thompson is outperforming what he needs in the Urban/Suburban Counties HE needs to win... while Este's is doing the same in the Rural Counties HE needs to win.
A further mark of the ever increasing Rural and Urban divide.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)I have tried to put this out of my mind. I so want Thompson to win. I want everyone in this state to see that it is OK to buck the establishment. These people under Brownback with Kobach and the Kochs have put the fear of god into so many people, especially after the year that took out almost every single Democrat or moderate Republican. The final push by the Kochs with the money and the national Republicans paying a lot of attention sure made my heart soar thinking of them being worried about an election here.
Holding my breath, crossing everything that I can cross and waiting.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)This is something they cannot ignore.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)Just them seeing a "new" brand of Democrat will make them worry. SO exciting.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Fingers and toes crossed, from NY state.
NYC Democrat
(295 posts)Thompson is overperforming in the more urban areas but it doesn't look like it's by quite enough. Harvey and Sedgwick have shifted massively Dem, but the rurals have barely moved at all.
Kinda crazy how massive the rural-urban divide has become.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts)Don't know if you followed the fires in this district back in March - over 1,000 square miles burned, ranches wiped out, whole herds of cattle killed or had to be killed. Worst fires on record, especially this early in the year, but "Ooh! Can't talk about global warming!!"
But I digress . . .
Not long after, the residents of these areas (Barber County, Comanche County, etc.) were complaining about how it "sure would be nice for President Trump to at least mention the disaster."
Well, they're still waiting, and I'm sure they'll be trotting to the polls to vote for the party of President Doesn't Giveashit, like the good little Republicans they are . . .
grantcart
(53,061 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)NYC Democrat
(295 posts)Rurals are going strong for Este but Thompson is outdoing what was expected in those two counties.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)NYC Democrat
(295 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)And may be a good reflection of how the rest of the nation will go.
Fla Dem
(23,693 posts)As quick as I posted, Thompson now at 49%, Estes at 50%. As rural counties report, Estes is pulling away.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)It's gotta come down to that county.
Shrek
(3,981 posts)Looks really tight right now.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)if Thompson has the margins in those remaining precincts that he has so far in Sedgwick County than he should be able to win this thing.
Come on, Kansas! Let's go, Wichita!
fishwax
(29,149 posts)It looks like there are 127 precincts reporting out of 257 ... so still 130 precincts out in Sedgwick County: http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/elections/election_results/SpecGen17/index.html
fishwax
(29,149 posts)NYC Democrat
(295 posts)NYC Democrat
(295 posts)the DNC should of met them in kind.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)We need some fresher, more aggressive leadership.
Clearly hindsight is 20/20, but if he had been given the $20K he'd asked for back in Feb./March, this might not have been such an uphill battle.
NYC Democrat
(295 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Once people met him at events, they supported him. But, he needed help getting his image and name out there, which of course costs $$$.
This easily could have been a 2-3 point win with national support. Hell, the Republicans called in Trump, Pence, and even Ted Cruz.
Me.
(35,454 posts)He asked for help and was refused...what a disgrace
mvd
(65,174 posts)He should be mad. Why are we so afraid to look like we tried and lost? We are competitive in a district Trump won easily. If we are really that low on money, I better try to donate.
Me.
(35,454 posts)This is just so disheartening, it's like the last couple elections didn't matter at all and the PTB don't seemingly mind that the GOP is ruling every aspect of the country. Where was Perez in this?
mvd
(65,174 posts)I don't know about how Perez could have changed this, but some people messed up in not sending funds.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Perez is supposed to be the guy in charge, where is he aside from running around the country with Bernie Sanders?
Back at ya...
Me.
(35,454 posts)Their abandonment of Dem candidates make them unworthy of their positions.
bucolic_frolic
(43,196 posts)They're going to pull it out again, aren't they.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)topeka, Lawrence, Kansas City(KS) Overland Park, Olathe, etc doing..
I'm from upstate NY. LOL!!
NYC Democrat
(295 posts)So far this special is a MASSIVE example of Rural/Urban divide.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)and manhattan, same... they also are pulling for Thompson !!!
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)pulling for him. Even a few Republicans who are tired of this.
Shrek
(3,981 posts)Those cities are in a different congressional district.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Response to pangaia (Reply #70)
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MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Even if Estes wins, in the reddest of red area, of a red state, it won't be by much, and should send a signal to Repukes that they are in trouble, circa 2018.
NYC Democrat
(295 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)... or DCCC money have flipped this to Thompson? I know it's not over yet, but it's really maddening that the Democratic party didn't support Thompson, no matter what the end result. It clearly was worth the investment!!
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)When people met him, they liked what they saw. But, many people didn't know who he was. You have to spend $$$ to increase name recognition, buy ads, and to book meet and greets.
http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article140972328.html
http://prospect.org/article/democrat-tries-pull-kansas-miracle
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Dollars would have been better spot on GOTV.
DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)Shrek
(3,981 posts)Different district.
DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)MuseRider
(34,111 posts)If you mean in the next election it could. It is close to being blue at times
fishwax
(29,149 posts)In several counties he's performing significantly better than we did last time around.
I can't find a county-by-county breakdown for the House race last fall, but here's a breakdown for the presidential ticket: http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/kansas/. It's worth noting that while Trump won the district handily, Pompeo's margins in the house race were even bigger than Trump's. So the swing to the democrats in this election is even bigger than a comparison with Trump's/HRC's numbers would suggest.
sweetloukillbot
(11,030 posts)Pompeo won the district by 30 points, Trump by 23 or 24. Estes is up by 6.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Ron Estes
Republican
46,176 52.5%
James Thompson
Democrat
40,305 45.8
Chris Rockhold
Libertarian
1,534 1.7
78% reporting (481 of 620 precincts)
pangaia
(24,324 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)So it's all up to Wichita to bring Thompson back.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)and it's only half finished. Thompson is only down by 6,000 votes.
NYC Democrat
(295 posts)The margin will probably narrow a bit.
Gonna guess 3-5 Este in the end.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)circular firing squad about a Dem over performing by 20 points in a ruby red district.
applegrove
(118,696 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Either we invest in our candidates or we don't.
This will still be close once all of Sedgwick reports.
Thompson needed to run close to 60% in Sedgwick in order to win this.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Right now apparently, we don't. We need better leadership all the way around. The DCCC attitude was absolutely ho hum.
NYC Democrat
(295 posts)literally only 1/5th of districts are more R than this one on average. a mere 3-5 point win for the GOP here means an absolutely insane amount of GOP seats are at risk next year, more than enough to overcome their gerrymander.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,398 posts)As Americans, whether you live in manhatten or bumblefuck, Arkansas you are governed by rural shitheels who believe in talking bushes, etc. when that changes the country changes for the better.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)that has been whining about there education system, and was ordered by there court to fund more money into public education, because the individuals like David and Charles Koch do not pay enough in taxes to help support the public education system.
I will not drive into Kansas because I will have to pay a toll, to help some private-government organization make a profit off the toll, because this state paid this private consortium, that they borrowed money from to have snow plows working the road in the winter, for a fee for 75 year term to have there name on that toll road and bail them out because there government will not tax the people that have been given tax breaks again like the Koch's to help pay for the public road that was built the first time with public funds.
Kansas you have been RAT FUCKED and your trickle down economics have RAT FUCKED you, and now you are going to put someone in CONGRESS that will RAT FUCK everyone else because he will VOTE to support a TREASONOUS crime family in the white house, and when you see votes coming up on social security, medicaid, medicare, to be given to bankers and huckster and voucherized to give the same ponzi scheme you were warned-----------------MIKE ESTES doesn't give a RAT FUCK about you
riversedge
(70,245 posts)Kansas 4th Congressional District
Live Results: G.O.P. Keeps Control of House Seat in Kansas Special Election
By Wilson Andrews, Matthew Bloch, Jeremy Bowers and Adam Pearce April 11, 2017, 10:50 PM ET
Candidate Party Votes Pct.
Ron Estes Republican 57,954 52.0%
James Thompson Democrat 51,494 46.2
Chris Rockhold Libertarian 1,911 1.7
94% reporting (580 of 620 precincts)
Ezior
(505 posts)At 94% reporting, Thompson was at 51,494 votes (as you posted and I had recorded the same number from the NYT live results)
Now at 99% reporting, Thompson is down to 51,467 votes while Estes is up to 60,945
How's that possible? Maybe there's something about US election results I don't understand? Or maybe the NYT put a wrong number somewhere?
Grown2Hate
(2,013 posts)ago, to about a 5 point loss tonight, tells me a few things (as hard as it is for me to find "moral victories" when we need some fucking VICTORY victories):
1) In 2018, invest in EVERY RACE where we were within 10-15 pts in November 2016.
2) Run candidates in EVERY RACE in 2018.
3) Let's take back the fucking House.
spooky3
(34,460 posts)Grown2Hate
(2,013 posts)NYC Democrat
(295 posts)by the time of the mid-term elections.
Grown2Hate
(2,013 posts)WomenRising2017
(203 posts)Outstanding!
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MuseRider
(34,111 posts)It is very hard here and even harder when we are always getting pounded by our own side. Thank you so much.
I am very excited by this. This is a huge thing here. Pompeo got it by 30 points? Estes by only 5 with an unknown candidate running against him in the big red district housing Koch? In Kansas.
Dorothy we are still in Kansas this is just closer to what it used to look like before baggers like the Kochs started working on us.
WomenRising2017
(203 posts)This was huge, and I'm so proud of the Kansas Democrats in their resistance movement.
Many kudos to you all. Keep resisting.
riversedge
(70,245 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)I wonder if and when people will ever wake up to what they're doing and stop treating it like hyperbole
They. keep. doing. it.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)new machines in that area, maybe only in Wichita that require 2 steps. It insures that if they need a recount there is a paper trail. Does that help a little? Now if we could just get an SOS who would allow a recount when we need it.
I do not know how extensive the coverage is of these new machines but apparently they solve the problem of depending on the machine you question to provide proof it did what you wanted.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)We'll lose in GA too.
Not because we'll lose...not because our system is broken...it's fixed.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)and very interesting it will be.
Maybe Trump and Pence will do a robo call tailored for each of the 11 Republican candidates asking the robo callee to vote for <Insert Republican Name> instead of their competition.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)I hope better than here or at least as close. Harbingers are good things when you are as far down the rat hole as we are here in Kansas. Then Wyoming, correct? If the other 2 are good we should be in high spirits and ready to pound the R's next go around.