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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 10:22 AM Apr 2017

The Upcoming New Military Draft - Trump's Plan for Reducing City Violence?

Never one to miss a chance to combine two things to gain advantage, perhaps Donald Trump is thinking about a new military draft to increase the number of military personnel, since he's clearly planning to use military muscle to take America's mind off his failures and corruption.

However, he may also be thinking about another promise he made: Reducing violent crime in US cities. He constantly referred to the crime rate in Chicago during his campaign and followed that with a promise to clean up those cities.

If he makes the new draft specifically focused on drafting people from major cities, he may be thinking he could gain points by solving two problems in one swell foop. Draft all of those young hoodlums in our major cities and send them off to war.

Brilliant, Donald. Just brilliant.

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The Upcoming New Military Draft - Trump's Plan for Reducing City Violence? (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2017 OP
Uday and Qusay file for special elite republican draft-dodger exemptions Achilleaze Apr 2017 #1
Well, see, they have critically-needed jobs. MineralMan Apr 2017 #2
Could not agree more, MM Zoonart Apr 2017 #3
The creep factor is very high here. smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #12
There won't be a draft. hack89 Apr 2017 #4
Not even a satirical draft? MineralMan Apr 2017 #5
Depends if it is before or after morning coffee. Nt hack89 Apr 2017 #6
Well, I just poured my third cup... MineralMan Apr 2017 #7
Hmmm...The Con will never win, he won't be president............... KewlKat Apr 2017 #9
The Alt-Right is anti-intervention hack89 Apr 2017 #10
with mass incarceration in central cities a draft would not do much dembotoz Apr 2017 #8
Rahm is proposing a "career plan" as a requirement for a HS diploma QED Apr 2017 #11
Well, I think that plan is a recipe for more dropouts, really. MineralMan Apr 2017 #15
"Not everyone at that age has any plan at all." former9thward Apr 2017 #17
I had a plan when I was 18 years old. It changed many times over the next few MineralMan Apr 2017 #18
You do know that 70% of volunteers are rejected for being unfit. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #13
That is somewhat dependent on how many people are needed. MineralMan Apr 2017 #14
There will be no draft. former9thward Apr 2017 #16
Two words for the Trump misAdministration: Posse Comitatus Samantha Apr 2017 #19

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. Well, see, they have critically-needed jobs.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 10:27 AM
Apr 2017

Can't draft them.

Those are two really weird young men, it seems to me. Empty eyes, too. High Ick-Factor there.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
10. The Alt-Right is anti-intervention
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:29 PM
Apr 2017

They oppose the notion of a larger military due to the chance of foreign wars.

dembotoz

(16,806 posts)
8. with mass incarceration in central cities a draft would not do much
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 10:46 AM
Apr 2017

even sarcastically

rural and small town kids would go as they always do

QED

(2,747 posts)
11. Rahm is proposing a "career plan" as a requirement for a HS diploma
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 01:02 PM
Apr 2017

It's either prove admission to a college, trade school, or military. What about a job?

"Under the proposal, all Chicago Public School students starting with this year’s freshman class would have to show an acceptance letter to a four-year university, a community college, a trade school or apprenticeship, an internship, or a branch of the armed services in order to receive their high school diploma."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-no-hs-diploma-without-a-plan-for-graduation/

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
15. Well, I think that plan is a recipe for more dropouts, really.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 01:46 PM
Apr 2017

It ignores the need for a high school diploma for most basic entry-level jobs. I see it as encouraging people not to even bother with the diploma if it requires planning for the future. Not everyone at that age has any plan at all.

Sounds like a mistake to me, really.

former9thward

(32,016 posts)
17. "Not everyone at that age has any plan at all."
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 01:55 PM
Apr 2017

That is the point. They should have a plan. As usual the media misreported what he said. He wants seniors to have some plan for what they are going to do after school. And they should. Whether that is some entry job, military or more schooling.

In Chicago anyone who meets high school graduation requirements automatically is accepted into the city college system. So all graduating seniors have an acceptance letter from the city colleges whether they are going to go there or not. So that would meet the requirement and no senior would be denied a diploma despite the media reports.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
18. I had a plan when I was 18 years old. It changed many times over the next few
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 02:19 PM
Apr 2017

years. I was going to be an Electronics Engineer, back in 1963. In 1971, when I finally graduated from college, and after a four year enlistment in the USAF, I ended up with a degree in English. My plan on graduating from high school had very little to do with my eventual life and multiple careers as an adult.

Right now, I have a nephew who didn't graduate from high school at all. He couldn't be bothered to do what was required for the diploma. So, he has no job, no prospects for a job, and has now made his equally young girlfriend pregnant. What are they going to do? Looks like they're planning to do nothing at all, except to continue living in his mother's house. He did have a job, for a while, but got fired for refusing to supply his fingerprints. He doesn't like working. He doesn't like anyone in authority over him. He doesn't like anyone at all much, really.

So, what's he going to do? Nobody has any idea. I expect some time in jail will give him a place to live at some point.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
13. You do know that 70% of volunteers are rejected for being unfit.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 01:11 PM
Apr 2017

I suspect the numbers would be even higher if there was a draft.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. That is somewhat dependent on how many people are needed.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 01:41 PM
Apr 2017

During the Vietnam War, standards were lowered, due to the need for larger numbers of troops. Rejection rates are based on needs and the available pool of volunteers. When a draft is in place, other factors become more important, and standards are often lowered.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
19. Two words for the Trump misAdministration: Posse Comitatus
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 04:28 PM
Apr 2017
https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/posse-comitatus-act/

The Posse Comitatus Act is an act that prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces as a posse comitatus for law enforcement, except in cases and circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress. The act was enacted in the year 1878, and it is cited in 18 USCS § 1385.


In United States v. Yunis, 681 F. Supp. 891 (D.D.C. 1988), the court observed that , “The Posse Comitatus Act, provides that: Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the U.S. Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined not more than $ 10,000 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.” The court further observed that “The Posse Comitatus Act, 18 U.S.C.S. § 1385 (1979), is designed to limit "the direct active use of federal troops by civil law enforcement officers" to enforce the laws of the nation. Limiting military involvement in civilian affairs is basic to our system of government and the protection of individual constitutional rights.”


Sam
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