Hillary borrowed from Sanders, Sanders borrowed from Hillary on Education Plans

[Quixote1818]

Can we just be glad both Hillary and Sanders were able to take good things from each-other? Why is there constantly all this division around here? This was a bill put together by many people including Elizabeth Warren not just Bernie Sanders. Yes it borrowed ideas from Hillary's plan and Hillary borrowed ideas from Sanders plan when she put hers out.

Snip>Senator Bernie Sanders stepped into that breach Monday afternoon, introducing a bill with Senator Elizabeth Warren, Representative Keith Ellison, and several other members of Congress. The College for All Act aims to eliminate tuition and fees at public four-year colleges and universities for students from families that make up to $125,000 per year. The bill would make community college tuition-free for all income levels.

Snip> When Clinton released an updated tuition plan after the primary was over, it borrowed many of Sanders’s subsidized-tuition elements, but also had a $125,000 income threshold. This is essentially what Sanders is now proposing, though Clinton’s proposal made the initial cutoff $85,000 per year and raised it incrementally to $125,000. The College for All Act starts at $125,000 outright. (This is similar to a plan New York Governor Andrew Cuomo introduced this year, which Sanders also backed.)

https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-just-introduced-his-free-college-tuition-plan/

[juxtaposed]

1. It's petty it you give a fuck. As Oprah always says, just move on.

[safeinOhio]

3. This

[caroldansen]

2. It sounds fair to me. What are friends for?!

[leftofcool]

4. I don't know what the goddamn hoopla is all about

It isn't as though this this will be passed in a Trump administration. Neither will a raise in the minimum wage, decent health care, or anything else the people need.

[SirBrockington]

11. Exactly. Symbolic Legislation at this point.

[FDRsGhost]

6. +1

[SirBrockington]

12. Disagree

As a man, I feel that I could be easy to dismiss those sentiments (dint forget the need for woman's suffrage etc.)from a position of having not lived in those shoes.

[SalviaBlue]

7. It's the same DUers over and over.

Some people need drama and conflict. Sad.

[sheshe2]

18. Hmmm

Yes it is the same DUers over and over.

Same story different verse.

[marlakay]

8. I have been saying same thing

We will get NOWHERE until the primary wars stop!!!!

We need to unite to fight what is happening now.

[SirBrockington]

10. If Bernie had not made his comments Rehashing the election

I don't think this discussion would be had right now. The actual outcome when it comes
to anything Bernie Sanders related, is almost always division, and almost never unity.
That starts/ed at the top and has continued. God forbid he runs again in 2020 as independent
continuing to trash the Democratic party.

[SirBrockington]

9. I think its more complex than that

I think a lot of Democrats, or at least myself, harbor a degree resentment towards the way Bernie handled the defeat.
Those like myself may not state it, nor continue to think about it daily. However, continuing to criticize the party, and Hillary during this time is opening up scabs and wounds. Instead of bringing the party together when it was clear, at that time, that there was no path to victory.. playing that out up and during the convetion to the point where respected Democrats were being booed...by Democrats, showed the actual extent of the division. Had the race been between say Biden and Hillary, I do not think either would have let it get anywhere close that that. Yet, I think throughout it, Hillary
bent over backwards, "playing nice," taking pains not to alienate Bernie etc. etc. etc. just to keep him from
leaving the big tent and taking some of his followers with him. The fear was always that Bernie could take his ball and go home. So Democrats played a game of "be nice to Bernie, give him time, etc etc etc etc." Yet I don'think Bernie added a single vote to the ticket and numerically ended up with less voters casting votes for Hillary than otherwise would have. Throughout, I believe that Hillary deferred often, and put her pride to the side for the greater good. I could write a dissertation on the many ways I personally feel that had there been a different competitor in the primaries, Trump would not have gotten elected. The "crooked Hillary" narrative gained a great deal of credibility when it was also coming from the left in the form of Bernie Sanders.

Yet, I do not think that with the damage to unity and having turned off so many voters with claims of "rigging, and establishment, etc." related to the party; to include continued divisions, I do not feel that Bernie Sanders should find himself in a position of pointing fingers related to the election loss... as recently as last week, when imo he alone was only biggest reason why she in fact did not win (actually second, Comey would be first). Bernie's continued inability to fully focus on the current immediate threat facing the country (ie. Trump), and the future of civilization itself for that matter, is unfortunate. Instead of using that energy to attack Democrats, and "insinuating"--actually rather directly, the flaws of the previous candidate and the Democratic party, Bernie could use his influential voice to instead organize and resist.

[R B Garr]

14. EXACTLY this. Great post. And when a con man like Trump

stole his lines, what does that tell you. But you said everything so eloquently.

[WomenRising2017]

16. I am in complete agreement.

[sheshe2]

19. 1000

[Horse with no Name]

15. I really like Bernie but

I was on the Hillary bandwagon for her 2008 run and I went to a rally where Bill laid out the education plan to a receptive audience in deep East Texas.