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StrictlyRockers

(3,855 posts)
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:18 PM Mar 2017

Trumps failing presidency has the GOP in a free fall

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-failing-presidency-has-the-gop-in-a-free-fall/2017/03/30/e0882d62-1581-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html

By Michael Gerson Opinion writer March 30 at 8:01 PM

In the aftermath of the GOP health-care debacle came a revealing act of candor. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan admitted that his party, which controls the House, Senate and White House, is not yet a “governing party” because it could not “get 216 people to agree with each other on how we do things.”

Since the rise of the tea party, there have been perhaps 30 members of the House — the Freedom Caucus — who have been consistently unwilling to vote for center-right policy because their anti-government convictions are unappeasable. Incited and abetted by conservative media, they made then-Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) life a living hell, and have greeted Ryan (Wis.) with sharpened pitchforks.

So a party at the peak of its political fortunes is utterly paralyzed. A caucus in control of everything is itself uncontrollable.

Heading into last year’s election, Republicans knew that this problem — the tea party predicament, the Freedom Caucus conundrum, the Boehner bog — had to be dealt with. The GOP needed a large and capable leader who could either unite the whole party (at least temporarily) with a bold, conservative vision, or peel off some centrist Democratic support with innovative policy. They needed an above-average president.

What they got is unimaginably distant from any of these goals. They got a leader who is empty — devoid of even moderately detailed preferences and incapable of using policy details in the course of political persuasion.
...

This is a pretty bad combination: empty, easily distracted, vindictive, shallow, impatient, incompetent and morally small. This is not the profile of a governing party.

...

It is now dawning on Republicans what they have done to themselves. They thought they could somehow get away with Trump. That he could be contained. That the adults could provide guidance. That the economy might come to the rescue. That the damage could be limited.

Instead, they are seeing a downward spiral of incompetence and public contempt — a collapse that is yet to reach a floor. A presidency is failing. A party unable to govern is becoming unfit to govern.

And what, in the short term, can be done about it? Nothing. Nothing at all.



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Trumps failing presidency has the GOP in a free fall (Original Post) StrictlyRockers Mar 2017 OP
The fact is that they are a minority, and only won because of an arcane system and hacking. LisaM Mar 2017 #1
And gerrymandering by state legislatures. Need independent permanent districting commissions. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #13
Repeat after me: Must... stop... gerrymandering Dorn Mar 2017 #20
The problem is that it's a many-headed monster. LisaM Mar 2017 #22
I think they are beginning to realize this. gordianot Mar 2017 #2
The inability to even bring the repeal of the ACA to a vote Thomas Hurt Mar 2017 #3
The demographics also works against them dalton99a Mar 2017 #4
And having deep cover spies working on election boards. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #6
And why they can't sustain this in the long run. randome Mar 2017 #7
That is what you get when you commit foreign espionage and steal the election. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #5
Of course if they wanted to do sane things then the freedom caucus could be ignored Johonny Mar 2017 #8
K&R smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #9
And they don't have anyone decent to replace Trump. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2017 #10
And most galling... cilla4progress Mar 2017 #11
Repeat often: A party unfit to govern FSogol Mar 2017 #12
Yep! calimary Mar 2017 #28
Rubber Stamp kytngirl Mar 2017 #14
Welcome to DU, kytngirl! calimary Mar 2017 #30
And I shoud care because? malaise Mar 2017 #15
This has always been true... blue sky at night Mar 2017 #16
"It is now dawning on Republicans what they have done to themselves." Yes, but.... DFW Mar 2017 #17
It's Gratifying That They Are Finally Figuring Out That They Have Shot Themselves in the Foot Leith Mar 2017 #18
I'd suggest the party is only "at the peak of their fortunes" because they made promises... Nitram Mar 2017 #19
"Doing Big Things is Hard" - P. Ryan Marie Marie Mar 2017 #21
Uh, yea, Eddie Munster.... paleotn Mar 2017 #25
we lost WW2... pretzel4gore Mar 2017 #23
They haven't been governing for near a decade jeanmarc Mar 2017 #24
Hey how about swinging every Texan over to our side and go blue. caroldansen Mar 2017 #26
Let's hope more Americans will notice. Turbineguy Mar 2017 #27
In 2016, the Guardian was asking whether the GOP had imploded for good FiveGoodMen Mar 2017 #29
"This is a pretty bad combination: empty, easily distracted, vindictive, shallow, impatient, Cha Apr 2017 #31

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
1. The fact is that they are a minority, and only won because of an arcane system and hacking.
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:25 PM
Mar 2017

Both W and Trump were minority presidents. Our system has failed us in a spectacular way. We need to figure out how to square the system so that voters are picking their candidates, not candidates picking their voters, as has been pointed out.

I think our message works. We are the majority. But the system has proved that it's open to misuse and corruption and it also shows that it's possible to elect minority candidates.

This needs to end.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
22. The problem is that it's a many-headed monster.
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 04:00 PM
Mar 2017

I don't know if you can do anything at the national level. There have been state-by-state victories (and we haven't seen the results of any fixes in any elections yet), but even if you control it in one state, it pops up in another. And the GOP is fighting it to its last breath in the courts to delay action.

I've said for years that the Republican governors collude on things to the point of racketeering.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
3. The inability to even bring the repeal of the ACA to a vote
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:28 PM
Mar 2017

says a lot. The GOP shouldn't need the Dems for anything, but then they have no one to blame but themselves. American conservatives are the ones who validated christofascist theocrats as viable governors and leaders.

Also, Trump did not care what was in the bill. He bagged out to go attend his Touch Myself Rallies and wanted nothing to with the substance. He just sent his lap dogs to bark.

Screw em.

dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
4. The demographics also works against them
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:31 PM
Mar 2017

which is why voter suppression and gerrymandering are so vitally important to them

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. And why they can't sustain this in the long run.
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:35 PM
Mar 2017

They've scraped the barrel clean and are now digging through the floor.
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Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
5. That is what you get when you commit foreign espionage and steal the election.
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:32 PM
Mar 2017

Problem is far far far too many voters still think there is either nothing at all to see here or very little.

The problem is the conservative electorate.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
8. Of course if they wanted to do sane things then the freedom caucus could be ignored
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 01:39 PM
Mar 2017

because they could get Dem votes. The solution Boehner often used. So far neither Ryan or Trump seem to want to do basic, sane things, however...

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
10. And they don't have anyone decent to replace Trump.
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 02:27 PM
Mar 2017

There isn't anyone in their ranks that could fill the huge empty hole.

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
11. And most galling...
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 02:38 PM
Mar 2017

who here is surprised?

We have all known since at least 2000 that they were a farce. Just glad karma is catching up with them.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
28. Yep!
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 04:48 PM
Mar 2017

Not only that, but THEY DON'T WANT TO HELP YOU.
They're FINE with yanking your health insurance away and throwing you to the wolves.
They're FINE with cutting any programs or funding that will result in throwing you to the wolves. They don't want to share. Their precious "Saint" Ayn Rand said they don't have to. To hell with the spirit behind Matthew 25:35-45 (that's the "whatever you do to the least of My brethren" one).

THEY DON'T WANT TO HELP YOU.

kytngirl

(99 posts)
14. Rubber Stamp
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 02:59 PM
Mar 2017

They thought they had someone who would just rubber stamp whatever they put in front of them. They didn't count on Steve Bannon actually running the show.

I've never felt 45 really wanted the office only the adulation. He thought he could just be a figure head and let others run the show and he sit around, sign stuff, get photo ops, hold rallies, and people would love him. He hates being in Washington and the day-to-day life of being president. That's why he leaves town every chance he gets.

I don't see how he can last another 4 months at this pace, let alone, 4 more years. He's lonely and he's constantly being watched (which must drive him crazy). He installed his daughter and son-in-law in the white house just so he'd have family around IMO. His wife disdains him and probably loves living in New York away from him. He probably talks to her like crap and treats her even worse. I mean, he doesn't go to NYC to see his wife and 10-year son on the weekends - he goes to Florida to play golf for crying out loud!! What kind of man is he? What kind of husband, father?

calimary

(81,322 posts)
30. Welcome to DU, kytngirl!
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 06:04 PM
Mar 2017

That's what Grover Norquist & Fiends envisioned. A "president" as pen-holder. As long as he can hold a pen and sign whatever we put in front of him, that's all we need. I think that's close to verbatim, what he actually said.

They simple want to rule. They don't want anybody telling them what to do. THEY want to tell everybody else what to do.

And THEY DON'T WANT TO HELP YOU.

And you're right - I don't think he even wants this job, especially now that he's gained a very faint notion of what the job actually entails in real life. I'm convinced, like you, that all he really wanted was to be able to slap the Presidential Seal on all his golf courses and sell merch. For which he could demand a higher price, since the Presidential Seal was on it. He saw it mainly as an opportunity to make even more money. And the interests of the people be damned. He was thinking fame and fortune, mainly because of the value his brand would gain. It probably didn't occur to him that he might actually have to work a little. And as a CEO, he's used to delegating all the work to underlings in exchange for big-sounding titles and proximity to "the big star." That only works in the business world.

blue sky at night

(3,242 posts)
16. This has always been true...
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 03:06 PM
Mar 2017

anyone who thought otherwise is just intellectually L A Z Y or S T U P I D...what really upsets me is that so many folks failed to vote as it wasn't that important. This shit is getting real now and it could't be much worse for the republicants...assholes! I couldn't be happier but the damage they are doing may never be overcome.

I am so sick of looking at photos of the shitstain-in-chief I could throw up! Every article, every news show, every time anything is said we have to look at that sick face and his H A I R is enough to make rats run and hide.

NICE POST, Thanks!

DFW

(54,405 posts)
17. "It is now dawning on Republicans what they have done to themselves." Yes, but....
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 03:14 PM
Mar 2017

It will never dawn upon them what they have done to the country and the rest of the world.

It seems beyond them to know or care.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
18. It's Gratifying That They Are Finally Figuring Out That They Have Shot Themselves in the Foot
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 03:14 PM
Mar 2017

It's what they have been doing to the rest of us for the last 36 years. When they realize that and make an attempt to remedy it, that will be their first step back to sanity. Until then, let'em rot in their own filth.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
19. I'd suggest the party is only "at the peak of their fortunes" because they made promises...
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 03:30 PM
Mar 2017

they could never keep. Their fortune is based on fraud, and is hollow to the core. They thought they could use Trump to consolidate power. Turns out they grabbed the tiger by the tail and it has turned on them.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
25. Uh, yea, Eddie Munster....
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 04:23 PM
Mar 2017

that's why the call them big things.

And I thought the antagonists in Animal House were fictional. Gee they're dumb.

 

pretzel4gore

(8,146 posts)
23. we lost WW2...
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 04:15 PM
Mar 2017

no one noticed, but the fascasti stood by and let the Revolution burn itself out destroying Hitlerism...it maybe took until 1990 for USSR to sputter out, but...the nazipoohs were ok with that. How is it NO ONE noticed that the men running the 'democracys' were hard rightwing racist goofs! The greatest generation DID NOTHING when the fascists hog tied the Revolution with its space/arms race- which USSR couldn't afford (20 million dead and 1/3 economy in ruins!).... I mean, c'mon, the US is a rightwing stoogeocracy, so is Ca-nada, the Euros, the Asians and ...indeed the entire ofus. WE're fascists! gettit. RIGHTWING supporters of privilege 'for the few' while the left wing 'needs of the many' just moulder along with John Brown's Body...
By the way, we lost the US civil war too...

jeanmarc

(1,685 posts)
24. They haven't been governing for near a decade
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 04:20 PM
Mar 2017

And they don't know how to do it. That's the bottom line.

They are do nothing idiots. And Paul Ryan is one of them. Quit your crying and since you have control of everything, make really bad legislation. They can't make ANY legislation.

I'm so angry at the gerrymandering that has allowed these bozos to hold power and do nothing forever. I live in Texas, so there's not much I can do.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
29. In 2016, the Guardian was asking whether the GOP had imploded for good
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 05:05 PM
Mar 2017

and then they won the White House, the Senate, the HOR, and most of the state houses.

Yes, they DESERVE to be done for good, but don't overlook the racist, deluded, evil pricks in the US population that will continue to support this shit.

Cha

(297,322 posts)
31. "This is a pretty bad combination: empty, easily distracted, vindictive, shallow, impatient,
Sat Apr 1, 2017, 07:43 AM
Apr 2017
incompetent and morally small" Morally kaput... oh, and OCD.



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