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Senate Intelligence Committee turned down Flynn's immunity request (Original Post) bigtree Mar 2017 OP
Wouldn't Flynn be more concerned with immunity from dem4decades Mar 2017 #1
if he got his way bigtree Mar 2017 #5
Thanks. dem4decades Mar 2017 #8
Yesterday the article said he was asking for imm from FBI and Congress Committees titaniumsalute Mar 2017 #10
yep, he went to Justice Dept. bigtree Mar 2017 #21
The FBI does not grant immunity to anyone. MineralMan Mar 2017 #14
The FBI can't grant immunity. DefenseLawyer Mar 2017 #20
What's their reasoning? AJT Mar 2017 #2
Maybe they don't need him. Luciferous Mar 2017 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Mar 2017 #11
Too soon. They don't have enough info yet The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #4
It says "story is developing" nycbos Mar 2017 #12
Probably too soon to consider immunity. democrank Mar 2017 #6
Is this good or bad for us? Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #7
If the FBI already has all the evidence they need re: Flynn, dgibby Mar 2017 #17
it's mostly good bigtree Mar 2017 #18
That's probably not good news for Flynn or Trump Jarqui Mar 2017 #9
This means one of two things titaniumsalute Mar 2017 #13
Now that he's asked for it..... Historic NY Mar 2017 #15
Flynn is probably screwed! Vinnie From Indy Mar 2017 #16
Forget immunity - go with a plea bargain. Fozzledick Mar 2017 #19

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
5. if he got his way
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:15 AM
Mar 2017

...and the Senate granted him immunity from prosecution for some crimes, that would insulate him from some of the FBI pursuit of charges.

This is an attempt to muddy the water in that FBI investigation.

See: Oliver North

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
21. yep, he went to Justice Dept.
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:38 AM
Mar 2017

...who actually has that authority.

Kasie Hunt? @kasie
@KenDilanianNBC reports Mike Flynn *also* offered to speak to JUSTICE DEPARTMENT in exchange for immunity (not just Senate committee)

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. The FBI does not grant immunity to anyone.
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:22 AM
Mar 2017

Any such immunities come from the Department of Justice. The FBI investigates. The DOJ prosecutes. The FBI cannot grant immunity to anyone.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
20. The FBI can't grant immunity.
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:35 AM
Mar 2017

If giving a sworn statement to the FBI or testifying before a federal grand jury, the immunity agreement would have to come from the Justice Department through a United States Attorney to be enforceable.

Response to Luciferous (Reply #3)

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
12. It says "story is developing"
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:20 AM
Mar 2017

A few educated guesses would be

1. They want to check with the FBI first.

2. They want him to proffer to see what he has before deciding.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
7. Is this good or bad for us?
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:16 AM
Mar 2017

Does this mean he has to make a deal with FBI? I don't quite understand this...

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
17. If the FBI already has all the evidence they need re: Flynn,
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:26 AM
Mar 2017

then it would probably be more advantageous to charge him, let DOJ convict him, then work out a sentencing plea bargain for whatever info he can provide about the rest of Trump's team. Of course, the problem would be that Trump could always pardon him before he even serves a day in prison.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
18. it's mostly good
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:29 AM
Mar 2017

...but it depends on what your individual aim is in this.

If you want Flynn to come before the public and talk, then this is likely to mean that won't happen. FBI investigations don't normally provide much sunlight into details of criminal activity, outside of prosecution, and even then records can be sealed for decades.

OTOH, there's nothing guaranteeing Flynn would reveal anything damaging to the WH or Trump, instead merely repeating defenses and excuses that support the version of events he's already offered. Senators need to be certain he actually has something incriminating or even exculpatory to offer before giving him cover from prosecution.

This leaves the playing field at status quo, outside of the very damaging potential to the WH that this request has in shaping public opinion of the investigation. It's very early in this investigation (I think) and this doesn't help the administration's case.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
9. That's probably not good news for Flynn or Trump
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:17 AM
Mar 2017

The condition on that is in a normal world "We don't need your help to get to the bottom of this" would mean they're in real trouble.

But we're not living in a normal world. The GOP may prefer to let him plead the 5th and not say anything.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
13. This means one of two things
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:22 AM
Mar 2017

1. Flynn gave them some of the "scoop" in exchange for immunity and it wasn't helpful, juicy, or they already knew what he was going to tell them. If they have overwhelming evidence on Flynn they may want to prosecute. If he is arrested THEN he may sing like a birdie and that will be more meaningful to the FBI/Congress.

2. He doesn't have shit and wants to go the route of Oliver North. Admit all wrongdoing but no repercussions due to immunity. Praise the rest of Trump's buddies that they had nothing to do with it. Congress isn't falling for it.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
15. Now that he's asked for it.....
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:23 AM
Mar 2017

in time it will swing back to him. Giving it now w/o knowing how far this investigation will go is nuts.

Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
19. Forget immunity - go with a plea bargain.
Fri Mar 31, 2017, 11:30 AM
Mar 2017

No blanket immunity, proffer a reduced sentence for a full confession and testimony against the Godfather.

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