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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJosh Marshall's "The Gravity is Strong #3".
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-gravity-is-strong-3Mike Flynn's offer to testify in exchange for immunity and the apparent lack of anyone willing to take him up on his offer raises more questions than it answers. In fact, I'm not sure it answers any questions at all. There are various relatively minor offenses Flynn could plausibly be prosecuted for - failure to file under FARA for his lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government, failure to file proper paperwork with the Pentagon for his paid speech in Russia, possibly untruthful answers to the FBI about his conversations with Russian Ambassador Kislyak. These charges in themselves would be thin gruel in terms of matters of any true public concern. But any competent lawyer would still insist on immunity before letting his client testify on anything related to these possible bad acts. Flynn's lawyer states rather grandly that his client "has a story to tell and ... very much wants to tell it." But Alex Whiting of Harvard Law School argues pretty convincingly that what we learned last night likely means either that Flynn doesn't have a story prosecutors are willing to barter for or isn't yet willing to tell it.
So who knows what the immunity request means? Far more interesting to me is how Flynn ties in to the latest revelation in the unfolding Nunes debacle.
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But Bart Gellman, who has a very granular understanding of the modalities and rules tied to handling this kind of material, suggests an additional possibility: that Cohen-Watnick et al. had this material because they were using their privileged access to the nation's top secrets to keep tabs on the FBI's investigation of Trump and his top associates. Yes, read that last sentence again, I'll wait.
This just keeps getting bigger and deeper with every passing day.
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NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)Thanks for posting- I was just on my way to do so and was pleased to see you beat me to it.
randome
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NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)but I think that when this thing has finally all broken open, it will be Josh who will be known as one of the leading people to document this historic fuck up.
randome
(34,845 posts)But I do.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)still be a long way from being anxious to save his own skin by telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Certainly, no one's leaping at his offer to present what could just be something closer to an Oliver North redux.
Trumpsters could use a good hero about now, and Flynn could use a job...
Cha
(297,323 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Josh really nails this one.
Lots of questions need to be asked.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)gademocrat7
(10,659 posts)When is the dam going to break wide open?
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Given how little meat there is out in public view yet, it's tempting to get involved in chasing minutiae - and in so doing, lose the thread of the larger story-line.
DDySiegs
(253 posts)Quoting from above:"Cohen-Watnick et al. had this material because they were using their privileged access to the nation's top secrets to keep tabs on the FBI's investigation of Trump and his top associates. Yes, read that last sentence again, I'll wait."
If they were doing this at the behest someone else (like Trump, for example), it would look like obstruction of justice and conspiracy.
randome
(34,845 posts)He knew the guy was trouble from the get-go but Dolt45 insisted he stay on. Now we know why. Conspiracy is right!
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Javaman
(62,530 posts)before more stuff comes out connecting him to other shit.
when fishing, it's better to play out the line when you get a nibble and avoid the want to reel in.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)get immunity before Cohen-Watnick rolls on him. No honor among thieves.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)Flynn's big drama is an attempt to cover up the deeper more serious material.
The Committees and the FBI will have to be see the offer for what it really is and find a way to force him to tell the actually important story.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)That's not enough to get immunity.
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ananda
(28,866 posts)It's very possible that "Cohen-Watnick et al. had this material because they were using their privileged access to the nation's top secrets to keep tabs on the FBI's investigation of Trump and his top associates. Yes, read that last sentence again"
How on earth did our national security get so compromised so fast?
randome
(34,845 posts)No one thought to conceive of a plan to protect us against vulgar, stupid people gaining the Presidency.
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Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)Keep digging. Keep digging.