I know. there is no constitutional path except the line of succession outlined in the constitution??

[boston bean]

to remedy this fuckhead trump when he resigns, get impeached and prosecuted or arrested and hanged for treason!

However, I cannot just accept that people who supported and forced this abomination on this country in any way benefit from such a treasonous act.

I am not willing to just accept it has to be one way.

We have a woman who won the popular vote and was cheated out of the presidency...

I'm not forgetting that, and I think that nothing ever changes or is made right unless you fight for it.

Hell, Bush v. Gore was never in the constitution either.

[Vinca]

1. That's what is so bloody unfair about this.

Why should Republicans keep control if criminal activity got them into power????

[boston bean]

2. People are so willing to just accept this. It feels hopeless.

I don't know if it is. We should at least be banging the drums!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

4. Right! Everyone just assumes that the Line of Succession is valid.

I firmly believe it isn't valid. But even if I'm wrong, we should at least discuss it! It's not axiomatic that the LoS is a valid solution to this. I posit several solutions in another thread (link provided in my other reply to your OP).

[delisen]

6. Right people who are just accepting are choosing to cave and

are adversely influencing the outcome.

Ultimately governments and civilizations fall when the people no longer believe in them. The power of the people may be latent but is it the greatest force in any scheme of governance.

[MicaelS]

9. They are willing to accept it because..

Anything else is near fantasy land. It would require a Constitutional Amendment to change it and that will not happen as long as Republicans control the statehouses.

There are other things we should focus our energy on rather than this.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

3. There is no Constitutional Remedy for this, in my opinion.

The Line of Succession provides a solution for a dead or incapacitated president, which then the next person in the LoS assumes the Presidency, and on and on ....

However, it doesn't provide for an illegitimate election. If the election itself is not valid, then it follows that the LoS is also not valid. I started a thread asking for possible solutions, and provided four solutions of my own.


If Line of Succession is Illegitimate (Provide Ideas for a Solution)

[Stinky The Clown]

5. The constitution never foresaw a president elected because of criminal activity

This household agrees with you. There has to be a remedy.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

7. There's No Mechanism For It CURRENTLY.........

.........but given the special circumstances, couldn't SOMETHING be done? Like back when California had that recall election? Isn't there something similar that could be done on a Federal level? And couldn't Congress pass legislation that deals with this? Like declaring that special circumstances require that the next Presidential election be held in 2018 instead of 2020? Or putting into place a mechanism (like the recall process in California) and then following it? I know the spineless Republicans would never do that NOW, but if things continue to go south, Democrats will take back both the House and the Senate in 2018.

It raises an interesting Constitutional question. If the Constitution is SILENT on the issue (as I suspect it is), then what are we able to do? Would it require a Constitutional amendment? Or could the Congress just pass a law and then when it gets challenged, get a Supreme Court ruling on whether or not it's Constitutional?

We are truly in uncharted waters here. But just because no mechanism for remedying a fraudulent/stolen election exists NOW doesn't mean there couldn't be one put in place. I honestly can't believe that States have procedures for recall elections but the Federal government doesn't.

[Jim Lane]

8. California didn't improvise a recall procedure. It was in the state Constitution.

You can read Article II of the California Constitution. Beginning in section 13 is an express provision for a recall election.

You write, "I honestly can't believe that States have procedures for recall elections but the Federal government doesn't." Believe it!

By the way, I don't think all states have it. It's a matter of looking at the relevant constitution. Some state constitutions, like California's, have such procedures. Some state constitutions and the federal constitution don't.

[brooklynite]

10. Whether or not YOU can accept it, the Constitution can...

[WoonTars]

11. So what happens if BOTH Dump and Pence get removed?

...??