Rumors..... that Trump is considering resigning, post Flynn revelations re: FBI.

[dixiegrrrrl]

Page of Claude Taylor, veteran of three presidential campaigns, served on White House staff (Clinton).

Link to tweet

[AJT]

1. I'm afraid he may start a war instead of resigning.

[LenaBaby61]

12. "I'm afraid he may start a war instead of resigning."

+ 1 MILLION ...

[ananda]

72. Plus!

..

[FakeNoose]

59. Or, he can do what Nixon did

... get his Vice President to agree to "pardon" him immediately after he resigns to avoid any further litigation.

That's exactly what Gerald Ford did in his first act as the new POTUS, he pardoned Nixon and let him off scot-free.
The GOP knows all the angles.

[Duppers]

62. Pence will exit too.

Rachel:

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/rachel-maddow-mike-pences-role-in-flynns-scandal-is-flashing-like-a-red-beacon/

[FakeNoose]

68. Yes I saw Rachel too

She's kicking butt, especially this week.

If the Dems can keep up impeachment pressures on both Trump and Pence, then maybe he will resign.
But I don't believe they'll resign together, and Trump is definitely the bigger target.

After Trump is out I believe people will let up on the other guys, it's possible that Pence will get a pass.
I hope I'm wrong.

Even if Pence manages to hang on, there's no way he'd get re-elected for another 4 years.
He'd be a lame duck so the Dems have to really focus on winning Congress back.

Hey Duppers, your point about Pence is that he's been in on it since Day One.
I totally agree and I've been saying it ever since Flynn was fired.
It was all such BS like everything else that comes out of Cheeto's mouth.

[Duppers]

70. Indeedy, Pence joined the lie-fest from day one.

As Rachel was saying tonight, all these crimes must be investigated and prosecuted and that just because the big fish are caught, the smaller ones should not overlooked.




Sorry, I'm just enraged and out for blood. Most Republican lawmakers are lying thieves whom I think should be stomped with truth until they cannot get up. The greedy press will make money covering the dustup, so they'll be happy. Pres. Obama was too nice to these dangerous, lying sacks of shit. Our democracy is at stake and I'm ready to join another march.

Edited to add this post I just read:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028875470

[Demsrule86]

81. No people won't let up...it doesn't work that way.

We may end up with Ryan...but the really terrible thing is...they stole our SCOTUS nomination and they stole the election...no matter who is left standing...it is a illegitimate presidency...we really need legislation to address the modern criminality of the Republican party.

[Demsrule86]

78. Bull shit if he tries...we have been at war for 15 years...it would not be a distraction and do him

no good.

[randome]

85. That would require too much work.

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[workinclasszero]

88. A little nuclear war diversion with NK coming up?

[wordpix]

109. He's already done that, Yemen

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/02/02/512490365/yemen-aftermath-trumps-first-military-raid-continues-to-raise-questions

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. If he resigns he can be criminally investigated and prosecuted immediately.

If he doesn't resign he can't be prosecuted unless/until he is impeached, convicted and removed from office. He'll resign only if (a) he completely hates being president because people don't obey him all the time, and (b) he believes or has reason to believe nothing will happen to him and he can just go back to his old life as a dishonest real estate developer.

[Renew Deal]

3. He might think it will all go away if he resigns

But I wonder how far he will go to protect his tax returns

[Demsrule86]

79. Pence or Ryan...will pardon him.

[JTFrog]

94. You think Flynn won't flip on them?

Pence, Ryan, McConnell, Nunes are all probably shitting themselves.

[womanofthehills]

107. Malcolm Nance tweeted:

[virtualobserver]

4. or pardoned immediately

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. That's possible, too; Ford did that for Nixon.

But he paid for it, bigly; he later admitted that it cost him the 1976 election. If Pence pardoned Trump all hell would bust loose and Pence's career would be over. Anyhow, Pence is probably dirty, too, and that will also come out in the wash.

[virtualobserver]

10. I don't think that all hell would break loose......

Everyone would just breathe a sigh of relief.

[sheshe2]

45. Beg to differ.

tRump has lit a powder keg, it is already exploding with violence that HE PREACHED from the podium. He spoke of Mexicans as rapists and murderers, yelled Build That Wall, POC as thugs, ban muslims, said Hill should be locked up.

He stood up there and said MAKE AMERICA WHITE AGAIN. That is exactly what he was saying, no uncertain terms about it.

There has been an escalation of violence since the election, his supporters are fanatics, white priveledged people that are terrified of losing that privilege. Their savior is removed, they will go crazy. I don't have a good feeling either way. I guess part of it is who will be left behind after his fall...a Sessions, a Bannon? Not good

[virtualobserver]

50. The hard core types that you are speaking of are a much smaller group than you would imagine

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I live in a hyper red state and people are regretting their former support of Trump.

As more and more is revealed, Trump's poll numbers are plummeting. By the time he leaves office, he will be a pariah.

I believe that those fanatics are actually cowards, who have been emboldened by Trump because they believe that a white supremacist is in charge. When it all comes crashing down on him, those followers will slink back into the shadows.

I'm not saying that there will not be a price to pay for what Trump has stirred up, but I don't see an explosion.....this is their last dying gasp.

[sheshe2]

55. I hope you are right.

I am in a very blue state and I hate what I have seen here.

[vlyons]

60. It is my hope and prayer that this who Trump Theatre of the Absurd

will engender a renaissance of decency and integrity in American politics. That greedy, self-serving politicians, who serve only Wall St, Exxon and monopolistic robber barons will be the pariahs.

[KingCharlemagne]

75. All due respect, but leopards never change their spots. - nt

[Duppers]

63. Think again.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/rachel-maddow-mike-pences-role-in-flynns-scandal-is-flashing-like-a-red-beacon/

[cstanleytech]

49. Not to mention the potential negative consequences for the Repugnant party

with the midterms as well as the 2020, 2022 and 2024 elections.
So ya I don't see him resigning rather the more likely scenario is he and his fellow Repugnants will double down and work to bury any evidence so deep that it will be atleast a 100 years or more before it is released if ever.

[KittyWampus]

8. I think ultimately the criminal charges he'd face would involve money laundering or some such

I sincerely doubt there's every going to be a "smoking gun" or hard evidence proving collusion with any Russian agents. Not tied to him, anyway.

Somewhere today I thought I read somewhere that his tax records were getting closer to being subpoenaed.

Now of the two situations you explained... I don't know which meshes most with Trump's money shenanigans being exposed.

And it's not only what criminal case can be proven with hard evidence... there's what the FBI is willing to do and what evidence it's willing to expose to the public.

[dixiegrrrrl]

22. The FBI arrests of those russian mobsters in the old neighborhood the other day

have to mean something to him, from everything I have read of his and his father's background,
laundered money has been his source of financing for many years.
That alone is a huge deal.
then you have people getting closer to evidence that he was totally complicit in Russia election rigging.

Plus Kushner was working hard to get China to bail him out of his real estate screw ups, and right after China agreed to do so, Trump canceled TPP plans, which made China happy.

even before Flynn announcement today, Kushner's China deal suddenly fell flat, no announcement of why.
I had been trying to figure out why.
Might be....things are coming to a head, and China now knows there is no benefit to dealing with Trump under new circumstances.
China is supposed to meet with Trump in 2 weeks. That suddenly seems like a long time away.

[KittyWampus]

46. I just posted an article about a Trump protege's casino being raided today.

Mark Brown runs a casino in Saipan (US territory off coast of Philipines) and it makes impossible amounts of money.

It was raided today by FBI and it's almost certainly involved in BIG time money laundering.

And the names involved are ex-CIA Woolsey, ex-FBI director Freeh and several ex-Governors.

[dixiegrrrrl]

98. Pressure....what pressure?

the screws are tightening.

[cstanleytech]

51. I suspect there won't be anything in his tax returns that would be incriminating​ rather

I suspect the reason he is withholding them is as a distraction to keep everyone focused on them and ignoring other areas for example his wife and her business dealings.

[tritsofme]

15. There's technically nothing stopping Trump from pardoning himself...

The Constitution only provides that the pardon power cannot shield one from impeachment.

Things could get even weirder...

[Kentonio]

66. It'd certainly go to the SC though. It'd be fascinating to see how they ruled.

[AgadorSparticus]

20. He'll resign if it is part of the deal to spare his family from jail time.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. Trump would throw his own family under whatever bus rolls by.

They exist only to reflect his awesomeness.

[AgadorSparticus]

33. I disagree. He is a pathological narcissist but he is a father and as much as I hate him

I think he loves his kids in his effed up way. Like any parent, he loves his kids and will protect them.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

34. Narcissists don't love anyone but themselves.

Any help or protection he gives his kids is because they reflect on him.

[dixiegrrrrl]

47. The only love he has professed is to Ivanka

and that was expressed in a creepy incestuous manner.

his adult sons have reported that trump raised them the same way he was raised. Strictly. They had to wear suits even as kids, even as his 10 y/o son Barron does now.

I think he has feelings for his daughter, but in terms of his needs, not hers.

[pokerfan]

69. Donald Trump, family man...

Don't forget he cut off health-care for his nephew's chronically ill child.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/what-sort-of-man-is-donald-trump

[LovingA2andMI]

30. Cheeto May Resign....

To evoke Immunity if Allowed, to Rat Out Pence. This should not be out of the question. Cheeto would do ANYTHING to Save Himself, even if Pence is left holding the bag.

[Duppers]

61. They both will be gone.

[Cosmocat]

73. He will resign like scarface did

He'll hike up in the oval office like Pacino.

[Demsrule86]

82. They would pardon him...

and no one is above the law...consider Clinton was forced to testify in the Paula Jones thing.

[democratisphere]

6. drumpfanov must be bouncing off the walls of the oval office tonight.

Prepare for a Twitter tirade in the early morning hours.

[Rollo]

7. He'd probably try to cut a deal with Pence:

"I'll resign tomorrow if you agree to give me a blanket pardon"

And I figure Pence would agree, justifying it as Christian mercy.

Never mind all the gays and women he's harshed upon.

[Alice11111]

58. I think he would also want Kushner as Pence's VP,

...and Prnce would to it to be Prez.

[geek tragedy]

9. Seems like wishful thinking nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. I agree. Trump can't stand to be wrong, ever, and resigning

would be an admission that he fucked up.

[TDale313]

18. Feeling a bit like Fitzmas.

Hope it's true, but not getting my hopes up at this point.

[grantcart]

13. and the journalists source is:

[sheshe2]

24. Lol!

Boom.

[mvd]

14. Hope it is true!

This guy doesn't look unreliable to me. The only thing keeping me from celebrating all this more is the likelihood we still get Pence or completely soulless Ryan. If only Hillary could be given the Presidency and the result invalidated.

[dixiegrrrrl]

27. That is the serious downside, and why I don't want him to resign.

I want him charged for the illegal election, him and Pence and I hope to god ryan is involved.
I want the election to be canceled. and a long perp walk for all the guilty parties.

Brand new territory, huge challenge, but it is important the justice is seen to be done.

[Duppers]

64. A.fricking.men. nt

[L. Coyote]

16. Lock him up!

[DesertRat]

17. That's awesome, but President Pence is just as bad

[progressoid]

23. In some ways worse.

Pence actually understands politics and government.

[Charles Bukowski]

29. You're both wrong.

Donald Trump is the worst, most despicable t politician in the history of this nation by a Secretariat at the Belmont Stakes type margin.

[JCanete]

52. the incompetence does compromise our national security. Other than that, I'd prefer

an absolute idiot like Trump to a far more subtle dismantler of all that is good in America. At least Trump is bad at it.

[sheshe2]

32. I sorry....just had to put your sig image on the big screen, DesertRat!

Look mommy, I a big boy.

[DesertRat]

91. lol

[greatauntoftriplets]

108. Notice that he has a real blockhead?

[sheshe2]

110. Appropriate...

[herding cats]

38. I agree.

But, I suspect by the time Pence crawls up - battered and bruised from the ashes of this Trump admin - he'll be unable to rally for a staffer to get his Starbucks request, yet alone any get moderate Republicans on board with his agenda. At least in a "normal" universe.

Then there's 2018. If we can make a real and verifiable case against Trump by then, we might have a better than expected year.

Time will tell, and we don't really know yet. Which doesn't mean things aren't looking at least marginally better early on here.

[phleshdef]

67. Pence is horrible in terms of his twisted ideology.

But honestly, I have to say that I feel a little safer with a person that actually has an ideology and isn't a mental train wreck. I think this country would be in a much better position with Democrats fighting actual policy battles with a guy like Pence who seems to not be on the verge of total mental deterioration and actually has a set of (blatantly wrong) principles than the unstable hurricane of narcissism and split second bad decision making a guy like Trump is. And he would take office with very little in the way of political capital.

[GWC58]

95. Maybe worse!?!

He'd surely try and set up a theocracy!

[winetourdriver01]

112. Theocracy

Yes, he certainly would try. I don't think he would succeed though, he will have the wreckage of the Trump disaster hanging around his neck. No political capital whatsoever.

[herding cats]

25. I don't believe it.

Sure, someone in his admin may be saying it, but his admin is full of complete nutters.

Trump's ego will not let him resign at this point. He's not done playing the "great and powerful" world leader yet. He still has 35% of the population well and truly snowed. He's not leaving, if anything he's imagining his 'amazing' comeback tonight. He just has to find the "best" people,to make it work. Heads will roll, as they did earlier today, and he thinks he'll get a reign in this current crisis.

[dixiegrrrrl]

31. Unless....somebody can convince him it is a better option

than say...plutonium.
Putin doesn't want the moron if he is not Pres.
Esp. a moron who knows a lot about all the illegal things that have been going on with all the money laundering alone. That is why there are 10-11 suddenly dead Russian who were involved in it.

[herding cats]

37. Putin has already won.

We're well and truly broken as a nation. However, I completely agree Putin is doing a major scrub of his links to all things Trump related under his control. Sadly, I think our SS all too aware of this and are working harder than ever to protect the dumbass in chief. Oh, and plutonium would be too obvious here. Not to mention impossible on a person as highly protected as a US president.

[Boomerproud]

39. I agree.

I don't believe this rumor at all. I would love to be proven wrong...but...ain't gonna happen.

[herding cats]

41. Yeah, I'd also love to be wrong.

But, I'm suspicious we have many more atrocities to navigate before we even get close to this level of reality.

Getting beyond Trump isn't going to be this easy I fear.

[kentuck]

26. Should Pence pardon Trump?

if he resigns?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. He shouldn't, but he might.

But Ford's pardon of Nixon did not work out well for Ford. It was extremely controversial at the time (I still remember how pissed off people were), and Ford believed it cost him the 1976 election.

[roamer65]

36. Please do, Dense.

Hand us 2018 and 2020, please.

[Mz Pip]

35. No way.

He's winning bigly in his mind. As long as the ZgOP continues to prop him up he's not going anywhere.

His ego is to big to allow him to quit.

But if he does, he'll take the entire Republican Party with him.

[Doodley]

40. I started a thread, maybe a week ago, in which I predicted Trump would resign.

Of course I don't know. Trump is unpredictable. However, I do believe that he is not enjoying being president. I believe it is the most difficult time in his life. Yes, he is a narcissist, but the pressure he is under must be crushing him. We know how thin skinned he is, and everything he has tried to do has failed and has been met with criticism. He is a president without authority or respect and he knows it. I also believe that a man with such low ethics has much that can come out that will humiliate him. Something has to give. He will resign, commit suicide or have a heart attack because even though he is a total bastard, no human being, not even him can withstand this level of pressure for very long.

[tinrobot]

44. My thoughts, too. He'll resign because it is no longer "fun"

I still think he never really wanted the job in the first place. He just ran to improve his "brand" and get more money out of NBC.

[Doodley]

48. Yes, look at his behavior - Tweeting, holding rallies, pandering to his base.

With everything he does, he shows he is there for the adulation, but what does he get? He is mocked, criticised, attacked, and challenged by the courts or his own party at every turn.

His reputation as a deal maker and a smart guy has been ripped to shreds.

He isn't interested in being president - too much hard work, too much learning, too much reading, too much compromise, too much working with people he doesn't like. These are all things he is incapable of doing.

He didn't expect to be president. He expected to boost his brand and his ego. His ego has been shattered. He is out of his depth in the most powerful position in the world, feeling he has no control for the first time in his life.

The weight of the media, of the people, of lawmakers, of judges, of those investigating him, of everyone around the world who has a negative opinion of him have crushed him.

[Blue_Roses]

54. Exactly!

Well said!

[elmac]

65. Plus, he hates the White House

and loves to golf too much. The fun is over, time for another reality show.

[dixiegrrrrl]

105. Last man on earth for suicide, methinks, with that ego.

Heart attack....more likely, esp. considering his diet.

resigning.....hope the rumors are correct, but must balance that against his deep deep antipathy of being seen as a loser. That is a huge deal for him, not losing. Perhaps his minions can help reframe the resignation as a win in some fashion, which I think he would eagerly grasp.

Small odds he has a heart attack after falling from a building with gunshot wounds from plutonium bullets, etc. if Putin has any reason to fear what he might say.
trump has poor impulse control and loves to hear himself talk. Any halfway decent interrogator could push his buttons easily.

[Sculpin Beauregard]

42. Ha!!!

Sing along now🎵

Who's the stealer of the House
where Putin has a key

Dee Oh Enn Ay Ell Dee
Tee Ar Yoo Emm Pee

Donald Trump!
Donald Trump!

Forever let us hang him out to dryyyy!!!

🎵🎶

[frogmarch]

43. I keep picturing the walls of his castle

crumbling around him. Maybe he does too and is ready to take his chances with the moat gators than risk being crushed by falling debris.

But then we'd be stuck with Pence unless he goes too. Or OMG!!! Ryan.

[Cha]

53. We're gonna see.. flynn on "immunity" in September..

Link to tweet

[Cha]

56. It is "strange" that Russia concentrated anti-Hillary news in WI, PA and MI - and Trump knew to

Link to tweet

[Cha]

84. Hillary campaigned in Michigan.. don't try to excuse trump and the gd

Russian interference with our US election.

[jmg257]

86. Oh I am not ignoring the efforts there, or the trump & Russian affects.

Wish it would have turned out different.

[jmg257]

87. Sorry - had to remove.

[KingCharlemagne]

77. The third leg of that triangle may well turn out to be Cambridge Analytics, whose

data analysis would have suggested the three target states to the co-conspirators.

[L. Coyote]

114. Not if they knew the fix was in. Did they steal the Electoral College too?

If they committed all these other crimes and were falling short just a few votes, do you think they wouldn't steal the last 40,000 votes they needed to flip the result?

In for a felony, ......

[pbmus]

57. Trying to keep twitter...

Link to tweet

/photo/1

[DeminPennswoods]

71. I don't believe this

The GOP has not abandoned Trump like they did Nixon at the end. Maybe they will at some point, but it hasn't happened yet.

Bannon and company have insulated Trump from the reality that most Americans don't like him. Every time he goes to one of those post-election campaign rallies, the idea that he's beloved is reinforced.

For the moment Trump seems to like being (or playing) President. He could get bored with it, though, and decide to quit.

[ProfessorGAC]

83. You Sure?

Seems like they're ignoring "it" for the most part. Even the rabid dogs wouldn't listen to "it" and Ryan is clearly carrying out his own agenda. "it" doesn't seem to have much sway with the R's in Congress.

[DeminPennswoods]

90. Yep, I just don't see it happening

I'm not saying Trump wouldn't quit, but I just don't think it's anything that's imminent.

[ProfessorGAC]

92. We're Agreeing There

I'm not sure i believe it either, but i'm not thinking it's because of all the support he has in Congress. I think that support is tenuous at best. I think he won't because he won't admit error.

[DeminPennswoods]

93. He is insulated, too,

by Bannon and company, the kids, Fox News/rw media and living in the WH itself, which is an isolating experience.

[VOX]

74. It's sweet music, but a deep-dish narcissist won't just walk away.

45 would be so spiteful that he'd make a sport of hanging around and mouthing off. Or worse. Much worse.

[FDRsGhost]

80. If both Trump & Pence resign then what?

We get Ryan as POTUS and Tillerson as VP? I'm not so sure that's a good trade off. In fact, it could be even worse. Republicans in both teh senate and house like Ryan and would side with him to pass his Randian agenda.

This is why midterms are so damn urgent.

[BainsBane]

89. I don't believe it.

[cwydro]

99. I don't either.

The magical thinking on DU continues...

[BainsBane]

102. Tweets are not news

Someone said a reporter said something is closer to a game of telephone.

[cwydro]

106. Thank you!

All these "tweet news" items are ludicrous. I've stayed further and further from DU because of this nonsense.

Certain people seem to be addicted to twitter and believe it all to be true.

SMH.

[Bonx]

100. I believe virtually everything I read

and I think that is what makes me more of a selective human than someone who doesn't believe anything.

[BainsBane]

101. That's a very unwise approach.

[uponit7771]

111. +1

[metalbot]

96. If you do believe that Trump will resign

You can actually make out pretty well in the predictive markets, most of which are 3-1 against.

Technically the ones I was looking at didn't have "Trump to resign" as a contract option, but they did have "Trump to still be president at the end of 2017", and "Trump to be impeached by the end of 2017".

But the fact that the market has shifted from 5-1 against to 3-1 against is telling.

[Calista241]

97. Flynn is a true believer.

I think he's got nothing and this is all a charade. Trump leading the media around by the nose.

[BainsBane]

103. A believer in what?

There is no ideological core to the Trump administration. It's about power and Trump himself.

[Calista241]

113. I don't think he believes he's done anything wrong.

Nothing would please him more than to get immunity, and then have nothing substantive to say. Proving he was fired for no reason.

[Oneironaut]

104. Bull - Trump would burn everything down before resigning.

He's that type. He would kill everyone and everything rather than admit he was wrong or "lose."