Boy that felt good

[FightingIrish]

I just received an email from a person I only know from being on the same board. It was a shotgun reply to a chain email with a lengthy list email addresses of people I don’t know from Adam. She assumed that because I am old and white that I would be upset that Obama cares. The message was typical right wing bullshit and hysteria and she even failed to copy the whole email. This is all I got:

> Subject: Fw: : Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts, read below.
>
> > his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care
> > was upheld and all the rest. Let them.
> >
> > It will be a short-lived celebration.
> >
> > Here's what really occurred - payback. Yes, payback for Obama's numerous,
> > ill-advised and childish insults directed toward SCOTUS.
> >
> > Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce
> > clause, was unconstitutional. That's how the Democrats got Obama-care going
> > in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can't compel

She and everyone on her mailing list got this:

"My 26 year old son will be able to get insurance even though he has had to have five major surgeries for injuries that almost left him in a wheelchair for life. Don't send me any more crap emails like this."

[MADem]

1. I can see why it felt good!

Very nicely done!

[Skittles]

2. it's the ONLY time I ever use REPLY TO ALL

WELL DONE!!

ooh I TOO *DETEST* it when someone assumes I am as bigoted as they are

[pinboy3niner]

3. I hit that to send fact-check links to all viral wingnut emails

I even have a file for 'Wingnut Crap,' lol!

[Skittles]

5. I have something I add when doing that

"it took me ten seconds on the web to disprove this bullshit"

you are VERY easily fooled

[Arkansas Granny]

10. I do that, too. In fact, I have a couple of people who now email the stuff to me

so I can fact-check it (as in "Is this really true?&quot before they send it out to everyone in their address book. I don't know why they don't check it themselves, but I'm happy to provide them with that "service". It also let's me in on their latest bullshit talking points.

[Bigmack]

15. I use the word "LIE" a lot in my "Reply All"s...

... I point out that somebody made this shit up out of whole cloth.

I ask what that says about the integrity of - not only the sender - but the whole point of view. If somebody has to lie in order to defend their position, it must be a weak or incorrect position.

"Lie" is a good word.

[coalition_unwilling]

19. I use the phrase "100% unmitigated bullshit" in my replies - n/t

[Alcibiades]

29. There is a cottage industry out there

that produces this for the right wing. I believe it is a room full of Ivy League graduates working anonymously who pretend to be what they imagine are "Average Americans." As a consequence, they do silly things such as putting in intentional misspellings.

This one has all the hallmarks of such an operation, appearing anonymously as a post from I.M. Citizen. Interestingly, its goal appears to be to help Roberts in the conservative movement.

Oh, and of course, they got this somewhere:

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/06/9398-why-chief-justice-roberts-made-the-right-long-term-decision-with-obamacare/

"Although he didn’t guarantee Romney a win, he certainly did more than his part and should be applauded.

And he did this without creating a civil war or having bricks thrown threw his windshield. Oh, and he’ll be home in time for dinner."

Note the "threw/through" confusion.

[bongbong]

31. Rendon Group

Those are the guys you're talking about.

[Alcibiades]

35. Thanks

Looks like it.

[pinboy3niner]

17. LOL, I had a guy who threatened to send me all his draft emails to screen

He got tired of me debunking all his crap.

[Patiod]

18. I have a friend who used to do that with her family's emails

Bunch of crazy birthers. I would send rebuttals and links to snopesl.

I think she finally got tired of it though - just easier to hit "forward" then to actually THINK.

[freshwest]

4. Great response to the whole crew. Maybe they'll learn something.

[47of74]

6. Excellent

Of course mine would've had a few four letter words in the response.

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. Excellent response. Of course, when I receive crap, the sender finds him/herself blocked.

But not before telling them where they can shove the next email.

[dionysus]

16. you BULLY!111111!!!1!!!1!eleventy

[Tarheel_Dem]

24. Nuh uh! You're a bully!

[dionysus]

26. <kicks sand on your shoe>

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. See, I told ya!

[dionysus]

32. how bout some boxin'? i feel like fightin'! PUT UP YER DUKES!1!1

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. Ya big ol' meanie, you!

[pinboy3niner]

8. I admire you for your restrained response to BS that hits so close to home

In your position, my response might have been less diplomtic: #$%*#@%%!!!!!

[gmee2]

9. You know everyone is singing the praises of Judge Roberts but

by making it a tax the repubs can overturn the funding for ACA with a simple majority in the Senate.
No need for a filibuster. The elections just became that much more important

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Bzzzt. Sorry wrong answer.

Social Security and Medicare are "payroll taxes", which is why he had to uphold the practice. You throw that out, you throw out Social Security/Medicare, the very thing that Democrats have insisted that repukes are destined to do (and they're not quite ready to do that yet....yet).

[gmee2]

12. Bzzzt--Wrong on your part

majority of Americans do not like ACA so they have cover unlike SS and Medicare. So if the Dems do not retain the Senate watch for them to repeal the taxes that support ACA. What do you think is going to happen when businesses like mine that has already notified us that there will be changes to our coverage due to ACA and it haas not even been a week. We have what the government says is a cadillac insurance so now they will offer less insurance to not have to pay extra taxes and the premiums will go up.
We are not unionized so we cannot get exemption. And don't give me this get the union in because my company keeps them out with good wages. Its been voted down twice.

[Skittles]

25. JOE OLIVO, IS THAT YOU???

[Alcibiades]

28. So, since you brought it up, what industry do you work in?

High wages and Cadillac insurance plans are not the norm for American workers.

[coalition_unwilling]

20. Yipes, one hardly knows where to begin. The ACA was

ruled Constitutional by one of 9 Justices because of Congress' tax authority under the Constitution.

ACA cannot be overturned, nor its funding overturned, by a simple majority in the Senate. First of all, any decision on funding ACA would come out of the budget and appropriations process. Second, those bills must be reconciled with House versions and then signed by the President. If vetoed by the President, a 2/3 majority is required to override the veto. And that's after overcoming the 60-vote requirement to invoke cloture in the Senate.

Civics 101.

[gmee2]

21. Wrong

I did not say the ACA would be overturned. Because the mandate is now a tax it can be removed by a 51 vote majority. Tax bills cannot be filibustered so if the repubs win the senate and the presidency they most certainly take away the funding. Which would mean that there would be no means to enforce the part of the law to force people to buy insurance.
The repubs will hold the house and the senate and presidency are up for grabs so if you think they can't do it you are hiding your head in the sand. You cannot leave this stuff up to chance.

[coalition_unwilling]

22. The mandate is NOT a tax. 1 of 9 justices ruled ACA constitutional

because the mandate is covered under Congress' authority to tax.

4 Justices ruled the ACA constitutional under the Commerce clause.

Thus by a 4-1 margin, the act is constitutional and not a tax.

[Orangepeel]

30. Since when has logic mattered to senate republicans?

If republicans win the senate, they aren't going to follow existing rules or protocols. It will be Wisconsin on a national level.

On the other hand, they may not actually repeal the mandate if (god forbid) mitt is in the whitehouse to sign it. They will if Obama is there to veto it, for the political theater of it, but Republican leaders don't have a problem with making non-wealthy people pay fines.

They will repeal everything that costs corporations and rich people money, no matter what logical pretzels they have to twist themselves into.

[Art_from_Ark]

34. I think you nailed it

If the Republicans win, they will undoubtedly do what they can to keep the bathwater while throwing the baby out.

[treestar]

13. Doesn't even make sense

If Obama insulted the SCOTUS, how did they pay him back by upholding Obamacare?

[gmee2]

14. Because Judge Roberts wrote the opinion

he was able to weaken the law.
The states now do not have to implement the expansion of medicare. They can more easily opt out and the repubs can vote down the taxes with a simple majority vote. He also made the commerce clause weaker, not by explicitly weakening the commerce clause but by putting congress on notice that it will be scrutinized by scotus. This will allow conservative judges to stop implementation of laws passed by congress using the commerce clause that are challenged in court until the scotus can review.

[lonestarnot]

23. Ignoranus.