I find the gloating over the AHCA withdrawal unattractive

[worstexever]

Last edited Sat Mar 25, 2017, 06:52 PM - Edit history (1)

I understand that people are relieved that the ACA has survived, for now, and I feel that way, too, but it's a serious matter. The over the top gloating trivializes the very real fight we are in, IMO. I believe that Obama is setting a good example for behavior in light of this short term "victory" with an eye toward the long game, winning the actual war.

[Cooley Hurd]

1. Thank you for your concern!

I was afraid to show any concern, but you concerned for the both of us.

[McCamy Taylor]

4. Ditto.

Make that concern for the three of us.

[MoonRiver]

39. Concern begets concern!

[nocalflea]

108. which begets , dare I say it , infinite concern.

Concern , concern , concern ...

Oh dear , I am all worn out with concern.

[malaise]

21. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[OldHippieChick]

25. This

eom

[regnaD kciN]

49. "Thank you for your concern"...? Gee, the last time I heard THAT here...

...was in mocking people who expressed worry that Trump might have a chance last November.

[Cooley Hurd]

64. Maybe...

...but more likely you heard it from me AFTER those expressing their concern that Bernie won a primary, and he was keeping Secretary Clinton from CRUSHING Drumpf in Nov?

[MFM008]

69. I'm concerned

About all this concern.

[butdiduvote]

2. I found it hilarious and well-deserved.

[maxsolomon]

3. Your concern is noted.

[HipChick]

5. Concern Duly noted...My message to Trump..

Fuck You Bigly Loser

[stopbush]

6. Lighten up, Francis.

[Achilleaze]

57. Bunga Dittoes

[MineralMan]

7. Right now, we're celebrating getting what we can get.

We got a dead bill in the House. That's worthy of celebration. We can't win the war before 2018, so we need to celebrate whatever victories we can have.

[nocalflea]

109. My thought exactly.Let us celebrate our victories when we can.

No matter how small .(I consider this victory yuge.).

Celebration is good for the morale.

[johnp3907]

8. Take a chill pill.

[Grassy Knoll]

9. I'll Try To Tone It Down....

[worstexever]

12. I think the refs could call a penalty on that move...

Couldn't they? Unsportsmanlike conduct?

[Grassy Knoll]

15. LOL!!!!

[Stuart G]

20. Oh MY ???....it says....FUCK TRUMP...???

I THINK TRUMP BELONGS IN A GARBAGE DUMP
I WOULD RATHER NOT HIM GET A HUMP
HE IS A LUMP
AS STUPD AS A TREE STUMP ( apologies to trees, of course)

and I think .....the following................................FUCK TRUMP
.......................................................................FUCK TRUMP
.......................................................................FUCK TRUMP
.......................................................................FUCK TRUMP

LOL...............AND.........as far as I AM CONCERNED....OUR GLOATING IS WELL DESERVED...YES..IT

IS well deserved and earned..Those assholes tried to kill people..and they were so sure that they were going to win, that for the past few months they were gloating...arrogant assholes....Fuck them..and I will gloat,, as much as I want....

[Skittles]

10. well here's the thing, worstexever

Democrats are quite simply FED UP with "taking the high road"....IT GOT US NOWHERE

[TheDebbieDee]

78. / / / / /THIS/ / / / /

[Atticus]

87. This, in spades! nt

[yardwork]

11. Why wouldn't we celebrate 24 million people keeping their health coverage?

Many of us were going to be personally affected - in a very bad way - by this terrible legislation.

Damn right I'm celebrating its failure to pass.

[roscoeroscoe]

82. Right on

That's well said

[smirkymonkey]

105. +1000

[blue neen]

13. My son gets to keep the insurance that saved his life.

My celebration of that is certainly NOT over the top. Millions of people in this country feel the same way today.

Unattractive? Tough.

[MrScorpio]

14. We all now have a lovely bunch of concerns

What a lovely bunch indeed.

[Hekate]

16. Oh dear me, "unattractive gloating" is it? However shall I live with the shame? Thank you...

...for pointing out the error of our ways.

[Stuart G]

17. Yes...living with the same of..."unatractive gloating"...me too.....

error of my ways??? yes..indeed...me too..!!!!

[malaise]

22. Very comfortably

[EarthFirst]

18. You want me to play nice with a group who characterizes the "inner city demographics" as "lazy"

whom; as a population are "less intelligent" and blames a "a real culture problem" on the issues that "plague" the American health care system?

No thanks.

[Turbineguy]

19. Let's see what the Bible tels us....

Obadiah 13English Standard Version (ESV)

"Do not enter the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; do not gloat over his disaster in the day of his calamity; do not loot his wealth in the day of his calamity."

Since it happened yesterday.... I'm good.

No, gloating is childish. Goo goo gaa gaa (sucks thumb).

[DefenseLawyer]

23. All this gloating has positively given me the vapors!

I do declare. Fetch me a julep.

[SammyWinstonJack]

24. Really?

[Control-Z]

26. There's an option to delete your own post.

Bottom, right. I'd use it.

[gopiscrap]

27. Fuck that!!! We need to shame and ridicule those fucking trump humpers any chance we get!

[Doreen]

28. The longer we can keep that fucking smug look off of Ryan's face the better.

I see that face and want to get a baseball bat.

[gopiscrap]

35. you and me both

[Alice11111]

42. +1000. I want to wash his mouth out w soap.

[Doreen]

44. Then use the bat.

[Alice11111]

50. HaHaHa

[gopiscrap]

55. exactly

[Alice11111]

48. I'm all for ridiculing Repubs to infinity. Shame's ok too.

Ridicule is the most effective tool, and our comics have risen to the occasion.
Shame can bring sympathy sometimes, but w smug people like Paul Ryan and DT, they don't even understand that we are on to them

[Iggo]

29. Aw.

[Squinch]

30. I bet you're a scream at parties.

[MyNameGoesHere]

31. Well I feel like doing a victory dance in Trump's face

Until he cries. Unattractive yes, but damn it would be sweet.

[mvd]

32. We just saved millions from losing insurance

That alone is something to gloat about!

[GeorgeGist]

33. Spoil of war

[nolabear]

34. Other things that were unattractive:

The Triangle Shirtwaist Fire. Anniversary today. Lack of workplace regulations led to massive loss of life.

Women's Suffrage: Women force fed, raped in prison, beaten and abused by both police and family.

Back-Alley Abortions: Need I say more?

24,000,000 Without Health Care: Yours, mine, ours. Death has no political party.


We've had to fight for every scrap that they're still trying to take away. Let us gloat over this victory. I think it's beautiful. Let us take strength from our laughter and telling one another stories of doing things that helped bring this about, and then let us roll up our sleeves and get back to work.

[nocalflea]

110. Thank you nolabear for reminding me of how long we have been in this fight for the soul of our country.

We do have a proud history.

[pnwmom]

36. Depriving 24 million people of heath insurance was infinitely more unattractive.

We're not gloating. We're happy and relieved that Obamacare isn't dead.

[demmiblue]

37. 101... out of MIRT range.

I am gloatingly celebrating, thank you very much.

[Demsrule86]

86. Overlooked in my opinion.

[Hekate]

98. I noticed that immediately

It's very concerning, so to speak

[Doremus]

38. I see jubilation, no gloating. Guess it's all in what we choose to see, eh. nt

[Alice11111]

40. Celebrate, come on! Then, get back to business quickly.

We need to celebrate, and we deserve to this weekend!!!

Gloating only riles up the base, and comes round to bite us in the ass. We are about to deal w tax cuts for the rich as we pay for a stupid, pointless wall that no one wants. Debt we will carry on the backs of the working class for decades. It will be used to cut important programs, and education for future generations. Plus, interest rates are going up fast, and it will be harder to pay the interest on the growing debt.

This time the Repubs will be united, so it will be a harder fight.

[Stinky The Clown]

41. Have a swell day

[madinmaryland]

43. As Joe Biden would say, what happened on Friday was a BIG FUCKING DEAL!!

[GoneOffShore]

45. Unattractive? Really? Well, bless your heart.

Not really.

And your concern is duly noted.


But Fuck Ryan. Fuck Dolt45. And fuck the 'Freedumb Caucus'.

[redstateblues]

46. Best day in a long time

[dalton99a]

47. A great evil was beaten back yesterday, and millions were saved from certain bankruptcy and death

I believe it's worthy of celebration.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. I wasn't so happy since my Miami Heat repeated in 2013.

[Warren DeMontague]

52. Indeed, Smithers

It's positively uncouth

[dawg]

53. Well, then you're really going the hate the way we'll act ...

when their tax "reform" plan turns in to an internecine clusterfuck.

Or when their "infrastructure" plan turns out to be just a few billion dollars of tax credits to help private companies build toll roads.

Oh, and we'll really disappoint you when that fucking wall fails to materialize.

[Kahuna7]

54. Is that so?

[krawhitham]

56. Your concern is noted.

[worstexever]

58. I see there are folks that disagree with my OP

Believe me, I'm happy for this victory, but let's​ not fool ourselves, the war is far from over. Celebrate, but don't get too cocky.

And pace yourselves, fer chrissakes! We have another 44 months until the next presidential election...

Unless Flynn, Manifort, Stone et. al take him down.

[blue neen]

74. Pace ourselves?

Sixty five percent of the country has been in mourning since last November 8. We're happy today for very good reason-----AND we earned this victory.

Every single one of us who marched, called our Congresspeople, went to Indivisible meetings, phone banked, and contributed to this victory yesterday should celebrate. That doesn't mean we'll lose sight of the challenges before us. Believe it or not, many of us here have brains capable of multi-tasking.

[Skittles]

75. we Democrats have learned that taking the high road gets us nowhere

we are fighting FASCISTS

[NastyRiffraff]

93. NOBODY is saying the war is over

Where the hell do you get that idea? We're celebrating a VICTORY, and we'll KEEP celebrating even if it "worries" you.

[Hekate]

100. "Pace ourselves"?! Going at this full-tilt is what got us this victory. Shouting at town halls...

...and making GOP congressmen wet their pants got us here. Storming airports got the Muslim Ban overturned twice. Millions of women in the streets all at once ...

Pace ourselves my rosy Irish ass. Fuck that noise. We need to resist without cease.

Thank you for your concern though, worstexever.

[worstexever]

103. Resisting is what I've been doing, too.

I was among the women marching. Continuing to fight is what we should be doing. We cannot become complacent or rest on our laurels. That's all I'm saying.

None of what you've described is any of the "spiking the football in the end zone" behavior I mentioned.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. This is an odd post.

[Snackshack]

60. A little...

Celebrating is in order but not much. This is ryan and trumps first time trying to get legislation passed. They will learn from this and get better at it. Hopefully their learning curve will be long or at least until midterms... or indictments.

We won a tactical victory but strategically we are still in a big hole.

[unblock]

61. The war against greed and hate is never ending. So when *can* we celebrate?

Making sure we keep our eye on the long-term ball is all fine and dandy.

But celebrating an unexpected and epic victory when we control zero branches of government is perfectly appropriate and not mutually exclusive with fighting for our long-term goals.

[denbot]

62. Snort!

Yeah, thank you for your heartfelt concern..

[JHB]

63. Well then, ignore the gloating and plan ways to kick them in the teeth...

...or other useful things.

Sniffing at how people celebrate a concrete example that solidarity works and resistance is not futile doe not count as a "useful thing".

[SMC22307]

65. You'll live. (n/t)

[worstexever]

66. The ACA still has real problems and there's work left to do.

[link:http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/24/1647015/-CELEBRATE-A-FEW-HOURS-Then-come-back-and-read-this?detail=email&link_id=12&can_id=e2a222f6e52d5401934b0ccbba0c514e&source=email-hillary-clintons-tweetstorm-on-obamacare-is-a-beauty-to-behold&email_referrer=hillary-clintons-tweetstorm-on-obamacare-is-a-beauty-to-behold&email_subject=hillary-clintons-tweetstorm-on-obamacare-is-a-beauty-to-behold|

[loyalsister]

67. Good point

I don't find Glee here. Relief but not joy. While the survival of healthcare coverage in a system that does not prioritize care and delivery is currently essential to saving lives and helping people be healthy, it is not just imperfect. There are some flaws that I think Democrats will work to fix if given the chance so that it will gain more enthusiastic support.
We're still on the defensive.

[cwydro]

68. Now, now.

Don't get in the way of a good old fashioned DU pile-on!

[CGK]

70. Too bad

get over it.

[Judi Lynn]

72. Welcome to D.U., CGK.

[CGK]

117. Thank you

Not quite a newbie. But haven't posted in years. Probably since Bush was President.
Couldn't even remember my log in info.

[NurseJackie]

71. I'm in favor of doing anything to ridicule, humiliate and demoralize our enemy.

Taking the "high road" is a sign of weakness and an invitation for them to walk all over us again.

They have already proven that they have NO intention of negotiating or playing fair or finding common ground. Fuck them! The GOP must be destroyed. The GOP must be neutralized. The GOP must be neutered. This is war. Take no prisoners. Give no quarter. Democrats FIRST... being polite: LAST!

[EleanorR]

73. "Health care bill FAILURE an 'epic collapse' by GOP"

Yeah, I agree with Rachel Maddow.

[RandySF]

76. .

[JHan]

77. lol lol lol

[liberalmuse]

79. Saving millions of lives is unattractive?

I don't give a shit about Ryan or Trump losing - but I do care about the Americans their TrumpDon'tGiveAShit bill would have put into an early grave. I unashamedly admit that I am gleeful this bill was pulled. When evil loses, I'm very happy. So judge me.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

80. I find concern over gloating over the AHCA withdrawal unattractive.

I have been gloating my ass off since yesterday. I love it. I am also wallowing in Schadenfreude. Of course we need to fight tooth and nail to be sure they don't sabotage the ACA, but the final crashing and burning of the GOPers' seven-year attempt to repeal it is one of the most gloatworthy things I've ever seen. So please take your concern elsewhere and let us enjoy our glorious gloat.

[Afromania]

81. I find the nochalant smugness *45 and his merry band of thugs have shown towards the public.

[Lilly52]

83. Party down...it's deserved go for blood.

[Demsrule86]

84. Really...well thank you for coming here and telling us your opinion...many of

us worked very hard on this including me...and I intend to gloat, gloat and gloat some more...

Cheers!

[nini]

85. Really? I had no idea this was a long battle and this wasn't all over!

Thanks for letting me know that.

[BumRushDaShow]

88. There have been literally hundreds of thousands (millions total)

who have become "activists" (some literally daily) in their localities - either at protest marches, sit-ins, or town halls, as well as corresponding with their representatives (via phone, email, snail mail). Just today, there were many protestors here in Philly who counter-protested a pro-Drumpf march, both at a rally point across from Independence Hall, and later along what ended up being a truncated parade route.

I think what you call "gloating" is more of a collective "cheer" for a good outcome (for now) thanks to all the dedicated people who have actually showed us that what they (we) have done CAN make a difference. And notably it was mentioned here on the Philly news that several swing-district Rs in PA & Jersey were slated to vote "no", apparently due to the constituents demanding that they not have people lose coverage, especially Medicaid (vs the teabaggers who wanted the bill to literally eliminate the ACA completely and would vote no because it didn't).

So give the warriors their due -

[Doodley]

89. Let's not gloat when Trump fails to take away healthcare from millions of people.

[Cha]

90. That's such an insulting word for being happy and grateful for our

Victory.

[WinkyDink]

91. Wow. Another poster who thinks we just aren't behaving well! Don't do this! Don't say that! PBBBBBT!

Well, pardon us to ALL Hell.

[marybourg]

92. Well maybe you need to shop around for

a different forum, where people who've been there much longer than you don't say things you find "unattractive". I hear Free Republic is a great place

[worstexever]

97. I've been a DU member since: Thu Feb 7, 2008, 08:29 PM

About the same as you. I just don't have as much to say, evidently.

[H2O Man]

94. Respectfully disagree.

[dalton99a]

95. Hey, I'm going to ask the papers to tone down their headlines

Minneapolis









Paris

(Major failure for Trump, unable to repeal Obamacare)

[Hekate]

101. Thanks for all the headlines. It looks real classy in French, too!

[PoliticalPie]

96. I agree with worstexever, The EO Trump signed on day one is going to harm it. Did every one forget?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/2/executive-order-minimizing-economic-burden-patient-protection-and


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/upshot/what-does-the-order-against-the-health-law-actually-do.html?_r=0

[grantcart]

99. Well we would have been more solemn but its pretty hard when they are immitating the 3 stooges

[BeyondGeography]

102. I don't

The more they try to kill Obama, the stronger his legacy gets. Good news for the country.

[flamingdem]

104. I love this thread

DU in full force

[JCanete]

106. Well, any gloating isn't targetted at the voters, who would have gotten screwed by that giveaway.

It is wayyy too optimistic to be grave-dancing at this point, but it is certainly worthwhile to tie this around Trump, Ryan, and the GOP's neck and to make it their failure due to intellectual sloth, laziness, incompetence, greed, and lack of decency. It's important that they are plastered with this, since it is such a perfect symbol of all of those faults.

[BlueStater]

107. Snowflake Trump supporters are just going to have to suck it up.

They're too stupid to realize this of course, but they won along with the rest of the country when this clusterfuck of a law got flushed like the turd it was. They'd probably prefer being ridiculed to being dead.

[TNLib]

111. Public officials shouldn't gloat

But DU members should be free to express themselves.
This is one of the few oasis' for progressive, liberal, and moderate democrats.

[lame54]

112. Trump had his ass handed to him...

Time to celebrate before getting back to business.

[edhopper]

113. So you don't think we should post things

like this

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[DuaneBidoux]

114. Not just unattrative but unhelpful...

When we do this we come across no better than the other side which says things like "our number 1 goal is to make sure president Obama fails."

Our number one response should be to say "Americans dodged a bullet and our goal is to fix the things that arent so great about Obamacare (for example that many Americans are still not covered).

Obamacare does indeed have some problems that will threaten its long term and even intermediate term viability. But they can be fixed.

When the '18 elections roll around and with Americans increasingly appreciating its benefits Dems will be in a very good position to run on strengthening and fixing it or even a move to replace it with single payer.

This is where we need to be focusing. Gloating takes away from where the focus should be: on the things i mention in the prior paragraph.

[EricMaundry]

115. Then don't look.

[cry baby]

116. Unattractive...pfft. We are living in the new world now.

We must play by the new rules. We can't be so nice anymore. After 7 years and hundreds of millions of $$ spent to deny healthcare to the poor and sick...I'm gonna dance in celebration of the day, all the while, knowing that they'll try to destroy Ocare through the back door. I only hope to be gloating when they lose in the mid-term "Bigly" because of their cold, hard hearts.

We can gloat and chew gum at the same time.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

118. Appreciate the concern

but, given the dire circumstances we are in, the fact that Republicans couldn't ram this POS bill on a party-line vote despite having a majority in Congress and a President of their own party in the WH, is pretty significant. I expect that they might regroup and try again but I don't see how they pull it off since their only recourse- to make it worse for the sake of the "Freedom Caucus"- will scare off the moderates it will need in the Senate (and wasn't even able to attract in in the House).