Hold on. I think there's actually a way to pitch Trump on Medicare For All

[Recursion]

Some Democratic Representative go to the White House with this offer:

"I can deliver every single vote in the Democratic caucus behind HR 676; you need to get Ryan to allow the vote and deliver 23 Republicans.

If you can do this, you'll keep your campaign promise to get everybody coverage. You'll be responsible for the largest deficit reduction in US history. And you'll have succeeded where Obama failed, and actually delivered full health care reform."

Damn. That might actually work.

[kimbutgar]

1. And then he will take credit and run for re election and we'll have 8 years of his crazy $hit

No thank you

[Recursion]

2. No. That's the same bullshit argument the Republicans used against Obama

I literally do not care if the GOP gets the credit for Medicare For All if it ends up happening.

[yeoman6987]

6. One thing is trump is for universal coverage

I think we might get it. Trump wants it done and if he has to work with democratic congress, he will. Remember he only cares for himself. Also he can use the excuse repugs failed to get a bill on my desk to work with the Democratic Party. Who knows.

[kimbutgar]

8. Can you imagine all his red hat followers will be incensed with anger he worked with liberals!

Now I can see it and change my mind on my previous comment.

[yeoman6987]

23. His argument will be repugs failed. I think he'd relish in that.

And depending how much he tells them how great it is willdetermine how much support he'll get. Remember these supporters are told what to think by trump.

[Kingofalldems]

14. Trump is NOT for universal coverage, yeoman6987!

You must know that. His awful bill that just failed did NOT have universal coverage. Why are you posting false information with nothing to back it up?

[Recursion]

16. He's not ideological, though; that's my point

He honestly doesn't care about right or left; he cares about Donald Trump

[loyalsister]

27. I suspect he might love to get revenge

He doesn't seem to be guided by any consistent ideology. Only shifting promises that support his need to feel like a winner.

[kacekwl]

21. Make it happen then

Impeach and arrest him for treason , collusion .

[Ms. Toad]

22. Thank you for being willing to kill my daughter, to win at politics.

Stop playing games with people's lives.

I don't know whether this scheme would work, but it is NEVER appropriate to oppose good solutions because doing so would give someone eles the credit.

[NBachers]

3. Yeah, just do a Devin Nunes White House End-run. This actually is a great idea!

They could even call an in- front-of-the-White House press conference.

John Conyers is already sponsoring a Medicare for All bill, H.R. 676. See here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028849066

and no, I'm not being sarcastic.

[pangaia]

4. Great idea.

And he is stupid enough to fall for it and have no idea what he just did.

[still_one]

5. He wouldn't do it, and neither would Ryan

[NBachers]

9. Then we run on "Democrats give health care to Americans; Republicans take it away."

A well-publicized effort will put H.R.676 on the front burner - see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028849066

[still_one]

11. I agree NB. I also want California's Senate Bill 562, which is our single payer to make it through

the California legislature and signed by the governor, not only to provide needed coverage for millions in California, but to also set an example for the rest of the country

[NBachers]

19. Thanks for a reminder on this- I'm a Californian, and I'll make sure my State Senator Scott Weiner

is on board with Senate Bill 562, and informed that I support him - I just emailed him.

[still_one]

24. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[uponit7771]

25. +1

[Squinch]

7. We should petition Schumer to do this.

[SHRED]

10. You can't promise all Democrats will vote for it

That's the sad part.

[crazylikafox]

12. And how do we get it through the Senate?

[Recursion]

15. Pass it as the FY'18 budget but with reconciliation instructions

And flip two Republicans

[BumRushDaShow]

20. Turtle would never allow a vote for it

and you need more than 2 Republicans to get to 51. R = 52 and D+I = 48. So you need 3 Rs (because if it were just 2, then Pence would break the tie to defeat it). And this is assuming the 4 "moderate" Ds (Tester, Manchin, McCaskill, Heitkamp) would actually vote with the rest of the Ds. If they didn't, now you're talking about flipping 7 Rs.

[mopinko]

13. if we acted like them, it would come up for a vote and all dems would vote yay, just

to stick a finger in twitler's eye.
then a handful of thugs see their chance to stand out from the pack, and bam it gets passed. and he has to sign it, because it is not worth bringing out the veto pen for this.

wouldnt that just be the sweetest thing.

[JTFrog]

17. But how does that help Russia?

Never happen

[BumRushDaShow]

18. No

and it will not happen.

There are many in the current Congress in both chambers (and now in the WH), who were elected strictly due to the falsities promoted about and opposition to the ACA (along with their hatred for Obama), starting with the 2010 election. That was also a census year and GOP-dominated states made sure to re-district to reinforce the election of even more teabagger types.

The teabagger, Koch-supported scum are Libertarian-promoting anti-healthcare period. End of story. The other GOPers are so fearful of being primaried due to mounds of Koch $$$ (from their Americans for Prosperity PAC) that they will force Eddie Munster's hand (and note that Eddie is from Wisconsin, which is Kochland) to reject anything coming from the Democrats where the government is involved in healthcare (or health insurance, which will eventually include SS & Medicare, both of which they want eliminated).

Only way to handle this is incrementally - including pushing to restore McCain-Feingold, until we re-take Congress in a big way and re-take our states.

[babamolviji70]

26. retert

reterterte

[fleabiscuit]

28. What are you saying?

[rzemanfl]

29. What language is this? n/t

[nikibatts]

30. I actually think it might work. I hate for him to get the credit, but damn, let it happen.

Medicare for all! 45's legacy. His ego makes this very possible.

[Hayabusa]

31. Appeal to ego.

It might work.

[Talk Is Cheap]

32. This is a complicated idea...

First, if Medicare for All could pass, I don't care who does it.

Given that, a republican implementation could have 'land mines' in the implementation.

But, Dems had a chance and 'decided' not to implement Medicare for All.

So, if the Dems can't do it, but the republicans can - well, so be it.