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malaise
(269,157 posts)led by Bernie
babylonsister
(171,079 posts)Rachel is bringing it up.
democrank
(11,100 posts)He just keeps on going......
Tom the Mechanic
(68 posts)12 million Bernie voters can totally take back Congress!
The first seat is Kansas
www.votejamesthompson.com/phonebank
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Www.livenewschat.eu/politics/
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)How does that help ANYTHING?
It's not his message...it's his delivery.
elleng
(131,073 posts)and his message is sound. Democrats need to heed it, and as they've given him a role, I hope it happens.
babylonsister
(171,079 posts)elleng
(131,073 posts)I tend not to read such, for obvious reasons.
Cha
(297,513 posts)our Very Lives..
BS on Rachel's"the Democratic Party is feeble" and "cannot fight back"..
He's Wrong and Divisive.. only helping trump, the gop, and the m$m.
Dems have our BACKs and I have theirs.
Truth.. Our Dems ARE Fighting for us and this is just today's headlines..
Democratic Congressman Calls for 'Total and Complete Shutdown' of Trump Agenda in Congress
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028837680
Maxine Waters? Tweets: Meet Donald Trump's Kremlin Klan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028839413
Top Dem calls for investigation into House Intelligence chairman
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736108
Schumer: Democrats will filibuster Gorsuch nomination
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736192
Al Franken: What was Merrick Garland about?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028836324
Woah. Rep Schiff: New evidence of Trump/Russia collusion "would merit a grand jury investigation"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028840444
Thanks to Franken and Klobuchar for helping Dems understand why Gorsuch must be filibustered
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028838216
mcar
(42,371 posts)We need to be fighting Trump and the Republicans.
Cha
(297,513 posts)you know who.
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)you are doing your homework!!! the dems are behind the scenes doing their job!
Cha
(297,513 posts)Thank you, bdamomma!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and a golden opportunity to do some GOOD for the Democratic Party rather than to continue on down this detrimental path.
I wish he was more like Keith Ellison.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)babylonsister
(171,079 posts)your style or mine, but we know where he stands.
I like that.
Cha
(297,513 posts)the gop.. and the m$m
He's Wrong and Divisive.
Dems have our BACKs and I have theirs.
Truth.. Our Dems ARE Fighting for our Very LIVES.. and this is just today's headlines..
Democratic Congressman Calls for 'Total and Complete Shutdown' of Trump Agenda in Congress
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028837680
Maxine Waters? Tweets: Meet Donald Trump's Kremlin Klan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028839413
Top Dem calls for investigation into House Intelligence chairman
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736108
Schumer: Democrats will filibuster Gorsuch nomination
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736192
Al Franken: What was Merrick Garland about?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028836324
Woah. Rep Schiff: New evidence of Trump/Russia collusion "would merit a grand jury investigation"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028840444
Thanks to Franken and Klobuchar for helping Dems understand why Gorsuch must be filibustered
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028838216
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Why don't you just repeat over and over that Bernie Sanders is a horrible person worthy of our ridicule. He should be kicked out of the Senate, right? He has contributed nothing to the Democratic cause!
Just tell us how you really feel.
Whiskeytide
(4,462 posts)Posts 20, 39 and 40 in this thread are further examples, and I've noticed it previously on several occasions. It's like a prepared anti-Sanders response.
Interesting.
Cha
(297,513 posts)words are important.. he's wrong and he owns them.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)you're so logical
Justice
(7,188 posts)That Trump calls 'em like he sees 'em.
Might not be your style or mine, but we know where he stands.
Seriously? Just think it is sort of a weird copying things to say.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)I can't stand her! She may have the same message, but is so unlikeable.
/sarcasm
Just pointing out potential (inevitable) hypocrisy. Bernie has spent most of his life trying to make the world a better place. He's an ally, not a divider. Not unless you want division.
murielm99
(30,755 posts)he needs to stop calling the Democratic Party feeble.
Gore1FL
(21,151 posts)We haven't had a presidential nominee since Mondale who didn't buy into Reaganomics. We've spent the better part of the last 40 years cowering in a corner begging the GOP not to hurt us.
That's pretty feeble.
murielm99
(30,755 posts)Calling us feeble does not help anything. We don't need divisiveness.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,138 posts)So my word is "finally"
JudyM
(29,265 posts)The overall wishy-washiness of this party over the years has been incredibly frustrating. We can't just depend on GOP incompetence to finally win some elections...we have to actually *be* competent ourselves.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)"We haven't had a presidential nominee since Mondale who didn't buy into Reaganomics."
Completely sick of this fucking shit right here. How many times do you try and kick the goddamned ball before you realize Lucy ain't ever going to stop pulling it away?
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Whereas you quoted a descriptive referencing the pitch of her voice.
While you may believe you've laid out a valid comparison, I would have to disagree.
Not a Bernie fan. But it's a big world with plenty of room for fans and non-fans alike.
Peace.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,513 posts)dead wrong and Divisive..
Dems have our BACKs and I have theirs.
Truth.. Our Dems ARE Fighting for our Very Lives.. and this is just today's headlines..
Democratic Congressman Calls for 'Total and Complete Shutdown' of Trump Agenda in Congress
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028837680
Maxine Waters? Tweets: Meet Donald Trump's Kremlin Klan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028839413
Top Dem calls for investigation into House Intelligence chairman
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736108
Schumer: Democrats will filibuster Gorsuch nomination
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736192
Al Franken: What was Merrick Garland about?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028836324
Woah. Rep Schiff: New evidence of Trump/Russia collusion "would merit a grand jury investigation"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028840444
Thanks to Franken and Klobuchar for helping Dems understand why Gorsuch must be filibustered
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028838216
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Dems are in fighting mode and pushing back! Not at all like Sanders description of our party ~
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)He is 100% correct in what he says and some refuse to accept that, sadly and THAT is a huge problem.
Take for example some who have voted for many of Trump's appointees, not once, not twice, but many times.
You have a very small minority who are loud and rattling the cage and that is good and Bernie is among those but 99% aren't. We NEED loud and we need to raise absolute hell about what is happening. Right now Bernie is completely leading that charge and he is all over the place in front of cameras, doing town halls, appearing on talk shows & doing it more than anybody else.
He's honest and some dislike that, a lot. He calls it like it is but he also knows that Dems are now just 26% of the electorate which is historic lows and have lost over 1,000 seats and that MUST change otherwise we are really screwed.
I like what Bernie's doing and I believe we need more Bernie's, more Warrens and more Schiffs. If we could multiple them by 1000, we'd be owning every office across the land!
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Cha
(297,513 posts)with such ugly insults.
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)He's being honest. Things have to change. Things MUST change. He is shooting straight and many dislike that. You call it insults, I call it legit criticism. Looking introspectively and coming to grips with what needs to be changed is a sign of leadership. Critiquing is a learning tool and it involves a lot of reality checking at times.
I suppose we have 2 very different views on the matter. I personally like his tough love honest approach. It's one of the reasons he's the most popular politician in America, that enables people trusting him.
Cha
(297,513 posts)and BS is calling them "feeble". BS is all about the insults.
BS on Rachel's"the Democratic Party is feeble" and "cannot fight back"..
He's Wrong and Divisive.. only helping trump, the gop, and the m$m.
Dems have our BACKs and I have theirs.
Truth.. Our Dems ARE Fighting for us and this is just today's headlines..
Democratic Congressman Calls for 'Total and Complete Shutdown' of Trump Agenda in Congress
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028837680
Maxine Waters? Tweets: Meet Donald Trump's Kremlin Klan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028839413
Top Dem calls for investigation into House Intelligence chairman
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736108
Schumer: Democrats will filibuster Gorsuch nomination
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736192
Al Franken: What was Merrick Garland about?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028836324
Woah. Rep Schiff: New evidence of Trump/Russia collusion "would merit a grand jury investigation"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028840444
Thanks to Franken and Klobuchar for helping Dems understand why Gorsuch must be filibustered
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028838216
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)but the very definition of feeble from the dictionary is "lacking in force, strength, or effectiveness".
He is correct and I think context matters here. Dems literally hold no power at all, they don't have any majority in any federal government position and I think that's what he's talking about here.
Yes some are talking loudly and doing everything they can but over all, until midterms come, Dems power is marginal at best and I pray to the Lord above we see a damn landslide in 2018 so we can impeach this SOB because I don't see it happening until then due to GOP protecting Frito Fingers.
Bernie is "only helping Trump" I very much disagree with. He wasn't helping Trump when he was doing a town hall opposite of Ted Cruz on the national stage fighting for all of us and calling Cruz out on the GOP's hypocrisy.
I don't understand the Bernie hate. I don't get it. He is the most valuable thing we have right now and we NEED him. Look at some of these highlights from the last 48 hours. Notice anything? He and Warren are way out on fromt on Cohn who nobody has even started talking about yet.
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) delivered a fiery joint rally on Capitol Hill on Wednesday. The object of their scorn? Trump's new National Economic Council director, Gary Cohn.
http://www.alternet.org/activism/bernie-sanders-has-rousing-message-resistance-movement-and-trump-votersbernie-sanders-has
Bernie Sanders Drops A Reality Bomb And Brings Down Trump With One Simple Question
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/03/23/bernie-sanders-drops-reality-bomb-brings-trump-simple-question.html
Democrats appear to be struggling to cope with their election loss in November, but Bernie continues to resonate
http://www.salon.com/2017/03/23/bernie-sanders-has-become-the-most-popular-politician-in-america-with-no-help-from-the-inside/
Poll: Voters prefer 'someone new,' Bernie Sanders, to Elizabeth Warren in 2020
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/03/poll_voters_prefer_someone_new.html
Bernie Sanders thinks this $89,000-a-year drug should be $1,000 a year
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bernie-sanders-thinks-this-89000-a-year-drug-should-be-1000-a-year-2017-03-22
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)BS doesn't care about our party. No matter how you spin it, he is NOT a Democrat. I supported him early on, but now he is just annoying me. Going on Rachel and badmouthing the party is not how we win in 2018.
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)he's in a leadership roll within the party. Obviously Schumer sees him as a huge asset.
Doing the same thing over and over again isn't how we win in 2018 either.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Bernie is partially responsible for what happened to us in the last election. I have had people I didn't agree with who ran as a democrat and I voted for them, mainly because they were lifelong democrats and didn't badmouth the party.
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)Primaries aren't a pretty thing nor have they ever been. Bernie said something bad about Hillary and? It's a primary, she was his opponent. Obama was a LOT harsher on Hillary than Bernie ever was and people seem to forget that.
As far as division goes, there's always been a divide within the party; we're a big tent and there's huge differencesin ideology from say Joe Manchin and Warren.
You call it "badmouthing the party", I call it "legit criticism". Therein lies our differences. I think we can both agree that what Bernie is fighting for is a GOOD thing.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)He can say what he needs to say without going after the party he ran with. I did support him early on, I'm sorry, now he just seems like an angry old white guy. I agree with a lot of what he says but I disagree with his methods.
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)and what he says. Criticism is warranted at this point and it's also needed. Ya he's angry and rightfully so! Many of us are because the middle class and poor have been getting the screws put to them for a long time and he, like myself, is fed up with everything.
His methods may not be for everybody, I'll give you that but damn he is out there kicking major ass for us!
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)and have worked for for over 40 years. Do we need to change and evolve yes, but after seeing how his supporters behaved at the convention I lost all respect.
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)and you say "but after seeing how his supporters behaved at the convention I lost all respect" as opposed to fake chair throwing incidents? The primaries are long over. Time to move on.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)It started during the primaries but it continues on as we try to recoup and recharge to fight 45.
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)That's valuable. The guy who brought out more young voters to the primary process and to be politically engaged in history. Bernie is leading that fight and he is at the front of it
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)FDRsGhost
(470 posts)We all know this. #Alternativefacts be damned.
He is so popular he's the most popular politician!
Haters gonna hate
Bernie Sanders has become the most popular politician in America with no help from the inside
http://www.salon.com/2017/03/23/bernie-sanders-has-become-the-most-popular-politician-in-america-with-no-help-from-the-inside/
Bernie Sanders Is the Most Popular Politician in America
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/bernie-sanders-popular
Why Bernie Is the Most Popular Politician in America
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/bernie-sanders-popular
Why is Bernie Sanders the most popular politician in America?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/20/1612972/-Why-is-Bernie-Sanders-the-most-popular-politician-in-America
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)continues to call the Democratic Party week...he can do some good to help defeat Trump...I hope he joins with Democrats and fights Republicans.
samnsara
(17,634 posts)Cha
(297,513 posts)not a Dem.. but, when he accuses the Democratic Party of being "feeble and can't fight back" then we have a big problem.
He's not helping our Planet with false insults.. he's feeding right into trump's fake news about our Party.
he needs to stop acting like he's the only one out there.. there are plenty of STRONG Dems on the front Lines FIGHTING BACK.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)R B Garr
(16,973 posts)are feeble implies that only he can fix it. Where have heard that before.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Better to have 'em inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. Usually, that kind of inclusion works to blunt divisive attacks.
Occasionally, though, it doesn't.
It's a rare event when the person safe and warm inside the tent pisses inside the tent....but, unfortunately, sometimes it happens.
Fla Dem
(23,730 posts)I applaud his comments about the Republicans and his criticisms of the system, but he's out of bounds when he goes public and makes it all about him and his attacks on the Dem party. I see him as nothing but a 75 yo man who's been in congress since 1990, has not really accomplished anything meaningful, has gotten a taste of the spotlight and doesn't want to give it up in the waning years of his career.
His criticizing the Dem Party in public does nothing to make us want to work with him or listen to him. It's the same old shtick he push during the primary.
Work for change with the Dems behind the scenes, don't throw rocks at us and then expect us to embrace you.
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)Bernie is known as the amendment king and has accomplished a lot but I suspect you know this and are just twisting words to fit your narrative. Look what he did for vets working with McCain and Sanders authored energy efficiency and conservation grant program passes into law. On and on and I would urge you to take a look here at some of his accomplishments http://occasionalplanet.org/2016/03/04/a-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments/
I do disagree with you on how he should make it private. I want to know what's happening in our party and deserve to know as we all do. It's OUR party after all. You see Bernie as nothing but a 75 year old man (why call in age and the fact he's male is concerning....pejorative use??) but that guy brought more young people into the political process through the primaries than anybody else in history.
That's valuable and we need that
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)still_one
(92,366 posts)that President Obama should be primaried
Who is that helping?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Just not as feeble as the corporate- and dogma-owned Republican Party.
Politically, right now, we're overmatched--partly our fault for helping Big Money to buy goverment--but we are still stronger than the GOP. More of our representatives should act likey they know that.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Response to babylonsister (Original post)
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Cha
(297,513 posts)Our Dems are on the Front Lines Fighting for our Very LIves..
BS on Rachel's"the Democratic Party is feeble" and "cannot fight back"..
He's Wrong and Divisive.. only helping trump, the gop, and the m$m.
Dems have our BACKs and I have theirs.
Truth.. Our Dems ARE Fighting for us and this is just today's headlines..
Democratic Congressman Calls for 'Total and Complete Shutdown' of Trump Agenda in Congress
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028837680
Maxine Waters? Tweets: Meet Donald Trump's Kremlin Klan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028839413
Top Dem calls for investigation into House Intelligence chairman
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736108
Schumer: Democrats will filibuster Gorsuch nomination
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736192
Al Franken: What was Merrick Garland about?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028836324
Woah. Rep Schiff: New evidence of Trump/Russia collusion "would merit a grand jury investigation"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028840444
Thanks to Franken and Klobuchar for helping Dems understand why Gorsuch must be filibustered
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028838216
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Repetition doesn't make your point more or less valid.
We can read; we aren't repukes.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That made me laugh.
Cha
(297,513 posts)read it.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Cha you must really hate this guy. It's like you are on a personal campaign to teach all of us how wrong we are about Bernie.
I'll make a deal with you. Post it three more times and you will win me over.
Cha
(297,513 posts)he said on Rachel's show.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)For fuck's sake, I can't understand the fawning over this guy.
By the way, anyone remember Tad Devine?
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I have been since before the convention.
I think Bernie is all about Bernie.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)If Bernie, who is one of the few voices fighting against the orange fascist, is "all about Bernie," who are the vast majority of Dems "all about"? Voting records and inaction tell me they aren't "all about" me or you or most of us.
Are you satisfied with their performance? Do you think they should be more vocal? More proactive in fighting the very real danger we're confronting?
I was always taught if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. Denigrating one of the only people fighting against our foes is not part of the solution.
George II
(67,782 posts)...and is "one of the only people fighting against our foes"?
Really? You might want to tune in to CNN, MSNBC, even Fox. You'd find out that there are not only a "few voices" fighting trump.
How about Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff, Himes, Waters, Cummings, Swallwell, and the dozens of other Democrats who have spoken out? As a matter of fact the Democrats are about as unified as I've seen them in a long time in their opposition to trump.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)what word would YOU use to describe the Democratic Party?
We went from having the White House, 60 votes in the Senate and a huge majority in the House to none of those things. We also lost 900 state legislative seats and double-digit governorships. We dropped from almost 40% of registered voters to 25%. And the cherry on top of the sundae was losing to the tangerine shitgibbon in an election we should have won in a walk.
There's a problem here, and it ain't Bernie FFS.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)bekkilyn
(454 posts)Wish there were thousands more like you, Bernie!
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)He is a divisive spoiler. Bashed the shit out of Obama. Said we should primary him. Bashed the shit out of Clinton. Said she wasn't qualified to be president for fuck's sake.
Again, has everyone forgotten about Tad Devine?
I'll take let's connect some fucking dots for $200 Alex.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Bye.
George II
(67,782 posts)...her a week or so before Election Day.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)UPDATED: Bernie Sanders to Campaign for Hillary Clinton in Iowa
On Friday, November 4 and Saturday, November 5, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont will campaign in Iowa for Hillary Clinton. At public events in Davenport, Iowa City, Cedar Falls, and Ames, Sanders will discuss Clinton's plans to build an economy that works for everyone, not just those at the top, and Donald Trump's plans, which would benefit himself and other millionaires and billionaires like him.
On Tuesday in New Hampshire, Sanders will campaign for Clinton and Gov. Maggie Hassan, the Democratic nominee for the U.S. Senate. The first of two get-out-the-vote rallies is at Plymouth State University. The event will be in the Courtroom in the Hartman Union, Building 117 High St. in Plymouth. The second stop is at 2:30 p.m. at Dartmouth Colleges Alumni Hall, 4 E. Wheelock St., Hanover.
Capping the day will be a third rally in Portland, Maine, where Sanders will speak at a 6:30 p.m. gathering in the gym at Deering High School, 370 Stevens Ave, Portland.
On Wednesday, Sanders goes to Michigan and Wisconsin.
In Michigan, hell headline a noon rally at in the Miller Auditorium at Western Michigan University, 2200 Auditorium Drive, Kalamazoo, Mich. Then he speaks at a 3:15 p.m. rally at The Village at Grand Traverse Commons, 700 Cottageview Drive, Suite 200, Traverse City.
In Wisconsin, Sanders will campaign for Clinton and former U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold at a 5:30 p.m. rally at Turner Hall, 1034 N 4th St., Milwaukee.
Leading up to Election Day next Tuesday, Sanders also plans campaign stops in Ohio, North Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado, Arizona, Nevada and California.
http://blog.4president.org/2016/bernie-sanders/
By MARYALICE PARKS
Nov 4, 2016, 10:36 AM ET
Sen. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton stood side-by-side again Thursday at an event in Raleigh, North Carolina. They reminded the crowd of the long journey theyve had -- sometime as competitors, sometimes as allies -- over this campaign.
Ive got to say, Clinton said, turning to address Sanders. This elections been a lot more fun now that were on the same side.
The independent Vermont senator smiled and bobbed his head. I want to thank Bernie for everything hes done, she continued.
Sanders will campaign today for her in Iowa, the state that in many ways put him on the map during the primary race, where he came within a fraction of a point of beating her in their first-in-the-nation caucuses.
The stop is one of more than a dozen he has scheduled across the country this final week before the general election, from New Hampshire to Arizona, as he continues to rally support behind his former rival.
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-eye-post-election-goals/story%3Fid%3D43300037
By: Alex Nedd
Posted: Nov 05, 2016 06:50 AM MDT
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo - Colorado remains a key battleground state in the race for the White House, and both major political parties are hoping to put the region in their corner on election day.
Bernie Sanders is expected to make a campaign stop in Colorado Springs on behalf of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton Saturday.
The Vermont Senator is holding a "Get Out and Vote" rally at Colorado College near downtown.
http://www.krdo.com/news/colorado-springs/bernie-sanders-to-campaign-in-colorado-springs-trump-hits-denver/143589691
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 2016 AT 10:20 A.M.
BY MIRIAM WASSER
Days after Hillary Clinton held a huge rally in Tempe, her campaign has announced that Senator Bernie Sanders will be making a stop in Phoenix Sunday afternoon.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/bernie-sanders-to-campaign-for-hillary-clinton-in-phoenix-on-sunday-8801549
http://www.wcpo.com/news/government/elections-national/former-hopeful-bernie-sanders-to-campaign-for-clinton-in-cincinnati
Do you have a link to prove he 'abandoned' Clinton in the week before the election? The search I did indicated the exact opposite occurred - that he had over a dozen stops in swing states.
demmiblue
(36,875 posts)FDRsGhost
(470 posts)I'm honestly scared shitless because some want to continue the same thing and that spells disaster.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Welcome to DU! We can use your help.
randome
(34,845 posts)Funny how his decades of 'advice' have failed to catch on but it's not his fault, is it? It's everyone else's.
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So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)and expect different results.
randome
(34,845 posts)Since his constant Debbie Downer-ism has failed to turn things around.
I feel safe in saying there is no one on this board who has a problem with constructive criticism. All Sanders seems to know is deconstructive criticism.
It hasn't helped in past decades and it won't help now. So I agree with you: why keep doing the same thing?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Bye
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Sanders has tirelessly offered constructive criticism to the Democratic Party. He's spearheaded a political movement that rebuilds the Democratic Party, and it does look like hundreds of thousands have taken his words seriously.
The latest information that's been released that discloses Russia's manipulation of our body politic suggests that criticisms such as randome offers are similar to those posted by Russian infiltrators: ad hominum attacks with no references. You'll have to do better to make your point.
randome
(34,845 posts)I've been undercover for 16 years so I guess it was only a matter of time.
I'm not attacking anyone. Sanders is doing the attacking. That's all he knows how to do. Decades of this stuff and it hasn't helped. You say 'hundreds of thousands' have been 'converted'. Well, that hasn't helped us in the past, has it?
Go on supporting someone who trashes the Democratic Party if you like. Fortunately, we will see to our own destiny without the 'help' of outside agitators.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
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Doremus
(7,261 posts)bdamomma
(63,917 posts)not enough people voted in 2016 or should I say not enough Democrats did not vote, then all the BS they put people thru to vote.
Which was total BS, the whole system needs to be revamped and looked into. Cross checking......gerrymandering etc.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Because it doesn't seem like it.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)So, just to clarify... my previous reply (entitled "It needs to stop..." was in Response to JTFrog (Reply #25)
I hope this helps.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)babylonsister
(171,079 posts)much harm. The video is here; he's encouraging civic engagement. How is that a bad thing?
http://www.alternet.org/activism/bernie-sanders-tells-rachel-maddow-how-resistance-was-instrumental-delaying-gops-health
Bernie Sanders Shares His Blueprint for Democratic Resistance with Rachel Maddow
The Vermont senator attributes the failure of Trumpcare to civic engagement.
By Alexandra Rosenmann / AlterNet
March 24, 2017
Republican leadership failed to secure enough votes from Congress Thursday to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) attributes its failure to a burgeoning resistance movement.
On Thursday, the Vermont senator explained how civic engagement translates into policy changes in the nation's capital.
"Republicans historically had their town meetings. Thirty or 50 of their friends would show up, and they talked about cutting the deficit and cutting Social Security and Medicare, and everybody would applaud," he told Rachel Maddow Thursday. "But now you've seen people coming and saying, if you do this, my wife is going to die and I'm not going to let you do that."
"You're seeing members of Congress, Republicans, having to sneak out the back door or claim 'I'm worried about my safety.' That is our goal," he added.
The Vermont senator has long favored a single-payer health care system, but he's also praised the Affordable Care Act for greatly decreasing the rate of uninsured people.
"The question is, how does [Mitch McConnell] think he could get away with in his own fate throwing hundreds of thousands of people {in Kentucky} off health insurance?"
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)His characterizations of the Democratic Party are not accurate. He's dividing and thus weakening the party. How is that a good thing?
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Hello Alerter! Just to clarify: these are my opinions about things that are being said and done in 2017 and my opinions about people's actions and words of 2017. Nobody has been attacked or smeared. Thank you very much.
babylonsister
(171,079 posts)practice civility, I trust, even when we don't agree.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The Steering and Outreach Committee, by its own description, helps to set the Democratic Party's agenda in the Senate ... Bernie isn't helping, and I'm wondering if he's actually the right person to chair the Outreach Committee.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)His meaning of Outreach is different from Democrats. He is suppose to bring people into the Democratic Party. He still has not given up his email list
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... just a nice gesture and a pat on the back. It was an atta-boy moment ... for the sake of unity ... an attempt to set a good example. Sadly, the example being set was not followed. We can do better. I'm positive that a more qualified person (with a better attitude, and a more positive outlook on the Democratic Party) would do a better job.
At this late stage, I'm not really worried about anyone's email list. It would be nice to have... it would be a "head start" or a nice way to pad our existing database, but it's not essential. Besides, I suspect that it's filled with like minded individuals who view the Democratic Party with the same level of contempt and distrust. Therefore, it would be of limited value.
We'd be better off focusing our attentions elsewhere. We'd be better off with someone in the "Outreach" role who was more dedicated to its actual mission.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,698 posts)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chuck-schumer-is-all-in-on-bernie-sanders-democratic-party_us_58307a38e4b030997bbfc3cc
The Vermont senator lost to Hillary Clinton, but the new Senate minority leader thinks his message is a winner.
By Michael McAuliff
Schumer will be the person who crafts and leads the strategy, but in sitting down to explain it to The Huffington Post on Friday, he revealed how much of it comes from Sanders, as well as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).
Snip: Schumer explained that includes staples from the Sanders and Warren wing of the party ― debt-free college, at least some of the free college that was so mocked by the Clinton campaign, a higher minimum wage, a bolder stance on trade, a tougher stance on the rigged system of lobbyists and special interests, and major investments in infrastructure, among other ideas.
Theres this debate ― do we appeal to the Obama constituency or the blue collar constituency? A bold, strong, progressive economic message that focuses on the rigged system and what were going to do when we change it, will appeal to both groups, Schumer said.
Regardless of progressive distrust of Schumer, he has long made it his mantra to focus on the needs of the middle class. And for him, the successes of both Sanders and Trump with disaffected white voters tells him he needs to address them more clearly. And the fact that the economic messages of Sanders and Warren from the left resonated better with them than the cautious pronouncements of Clinton tells him the progressive message is actually the one that speaks to the broader audience.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... hindsight is 20/20.
Yeah, ya know... now that I think about it, I'm absolutely certain that this isn't what Chuck had in mind.
LOL
Omaha Steve
(99,698 posts)This is just what he had in mind!
https://uaw.org/save-healthcare-rally-bernie-sanders-chuck-schumer-cindy-estrada/
Our First Stand: Save Health Care Rally held on Sunday, January 15, in Warren, Michigan.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,698 posts)Tough love.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... if "tough love" is the summary, then that's total bullshit.
I mean, seriously now... can you IMAGINE the outcry if Donald Trump had said such nasty things about our beloved Democratic Party and its leadership?
Who would stay silent if Trump was calling our party and its leaders "feeble" or "opportunistic" or "ideologically bankrupt"? Would Donald Trump get "kudos" and praise and atta-boys and fist-pumping cheers for being so "honest" and "telling it like it is" ... I think not! Would any respectable liberal be making excuses for Trump and praising him for his "tough love"??
The whole thing is just so unseemly and unnecessary. Why would anyone want to cause these divisions and amplify the distrust that many are feeling? Yet that's exactly what's happening, and here we are.
LOL
Omaha Steve
(99,698 posts)I'm not! Corporate dems are part of the comments in the video and the reason we lost so bad.
I pat senate Minority Leader Schumer on the back for seeing what many Dems won't. I posted quotes and videos and you laugh off what the top D's are trying to rebuild. I want to win in 2020.
Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.
― Benjamin Franklin
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Sorry, once I found out that Tad Devine was a Putin lover, I lost respect for Bernie. That's all I'll say about that.
Omaha Steve
(99,698 posts)LOL.
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)He brought in more younger primary than anybody else in history. He is seen as trustworthy in a day when many aren't. This is why he's so popular, he shoots straight & he doesn't sugar coat it which has lead to him being the most popular politician in America.
We couldn't only use that as a party but NEED it.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I've said nothing about him, or his popularity, or his "trustworthiness". But his attacks and smears on Democrats and the Democratic Party are causing division and weakening the party. The Democratic Party is not "corrupt" or "intellectually bankrupt" or "no better than" Republicans. Democratic leadership is not "feeble".
Unfortunately, his popularity appears to centered largely around the least reliable voting block. Historically, time and time again, "younger" voters can't be bothered to actually show up on voting day. It's probably not a good plan to put all our "eggs" in that basket.
I do understand, however, how some of his supporters may get a big kick from hearing such things about a party that they, presumably, also resent as much as he does. I guess everyone likes having their opinions validated or "confirmed" with hot rhetoric... but in the end, it does nothing for our party. He's not helping. He's dividing the party. He's making it weaker. And that's just sad.
Welcome Back!
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)I think maybe the way Bernie approaches things isn't for everyone but I like the guy and have for a long while. I think we can all say that Bernie is trying his best and tonight on AC 360 he was on giving praise to how hard Democrats fought against the AHCA. The definition of feeble is powerless and as I described in another post; he is technically correct as Democrats wield no majority in federal government. Let's hope that changes for us in the upcoming midterms.
That voting block, young voters, helped elect Obama in droves and they showed up in large numbers. I imagine the same would have happened had been the candidate.
I think the real problem here isn't Bernie but people who want to continue down the same path that has cost us to lose a lot of seats. I believe his criticism is just and founded and he is correct that we as a party must change. I know not everyone will agree with me but honestly I'm scared shitless at the possibilities of Republicans pulling a constitutional convention. IMHO he is making the party stronger, he's the most popular guy around and that's a GOOD thing. People trust him and I think that helps bring in new blood.
Welcome back? I only registered recently but have read the site for awhile.
Have a nice weekend
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)FDRsGhost
(470 posts)Blue_Warrior
(135 posts)I swear sometimes all the negativity and bitterness directed toward him around here leaves me speechless. I suppose he is just too progressive and too liberal for some of the more centerist Hillary diehards.
I voted for Hillary - proudly - (wanted to get that out there before anyone try to hang me for speaking positively about Bernie).
seaglass
(8,173 posts)babylonsister
(171,079 posts)agog how some Dems continue to bash his good works. At least he's trying which is more than I can say about a lot of Dems (and no, I'm not talking about Hillary, who I also voted for).
randome
(34,845 posts)But when he bashes our party from an outsider's perspective -that deserves a 'bash-back'.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
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babylonsister
(171,079 posts)Bash away. We are entitled to our opinions but it seems to me you're beating a dead horse and wasting your energy when there are so many deserving rethugs that could benefit.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Or, to be more precise, you're saying that by his merely "trying" he's therefore doing more than Democrats. Which is to say, you believe Democrats aren't even trying.
I'm sorry, but that's complete bullshit. It's smearing Democrats to continue to paint with these broad brush strokes that portray us as a group of "lazy do-nothings".
This is what I was talking about earlier. Perpetuating this "do-nothing" myth about Democrats and the corrupt or complicit Democratic Party is divisive... and it weakens the party.
Please explain why you believe weakening the party is helpful?
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)Honestly, I know he garners ratings but when he is on television, I don't watch...If I want to hear the Democratic party insulted by being called feeble or whatever, I can watch Fox.
Blue_Warrior
(135 posts)He uses language like that to motivate progressives to get out and DO something.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)drive people away from supporting and voting for Democrats ...plus the "tear you down coaches" are bullies and I don't respect that. We need to unite with Democrats / any who wish to join us and beat the hell out of the Republicans and Trump. I do not believe when you have no power and are about to lose progressive policy going back to Roosevelt and the courts that this is the time to attack/reform the Democratic Party.
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)Ron Green
(9,823 posts)with the Democratic Party, AND with DU.
Calling out Democrats who are only maintaining the balance of power is essential, just as is promoting a message discussion site where such calling-out is encouraged.
It was clear in 2015 that Bernie Sanders, with his integrity and focused message, was the overwhelming favorite of people posting on this site. Now, although his integrity and message are needed even more, a cadre of DU people continue not only to disparage Bernie Sanders ("BS" , but also to excuse and even promote Democrats in Congress whose words and actions derive not from the will of the people, but from sources of funding.
The change that must come - painful if we act and excruciating if we don't - is in the direction that Bernie's describing.
murielm99
(30,755 posts)I see someone who made a lot of money from a book and bought a a new house. As far as being the overwhelming favorite here, I am not so sure that all those people were Democrats. They spent a lot of time silencing long time members and people who paid to support this site.
Focused message? The Democrats have had that message for years. Bernie did not come along and suddenly dream it up.
I wonder why Bernie ran at all. It may come out in the future that he was approached by forces outside the Democratic Party who wanted to wreck Hillary's candidacy. There are a lot of those people out there.
Bernie has a thin record in Congress. Most Democrats saw that, and voted for Hillary in the primaries, and of course the general, which she also won.
I remember when Howard Dean dropped out of the primary. There were a lot of disappointed people. But they did not whine about it forever. And Dean, loyal Democrat that he is, became the head of the DNC and implemented the fifty state strategy. He is a man of integrity. He helped our party instead of running around the countryside whining and criticizing. Dean is a man of integrity, a man with a focused message.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)bekkilyn
(454 posts)Party politics has likely never been more unpopular than now and grows less popular by the day. And people don't want to unite behind what is perceived as business as usual. There's never a better time than now to change course and start supporting real people again.
Wiseman32218
(291 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)still blame Sanders for what the GOP did.
Sanders was an inspiration for millions of voters young and old. Would he have won in a Sanders/Trump race? Speculative, but no matter who the candidate had been, the GOP would have committed the same voter suppression and the same election fraud.
And Sanders continues to inspire and continues in his attempt to change the acceptable limits of what is considered reasonable.
Democrats must fight the GOP's constant battle to define what is acceptable and possible. The more exposure Sanders receives, the better it is for progressives.
Talk Is Cheap
(389 posts)We need as many Democratic allies as possible!