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IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:28 PM Mar 2017

Teacher Cant Stop Smiling After Being Accused Of Having Sexual Relations With Teen





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/smiling-teacher-accused-of-improper-relations_us_58d27c47e4b0b22b0d1888df

Fowlkes taught anatomy and physiology at the school, according to her school district, which announced her suspension in a statement on Monday. The school had employed her since 2014, it added.

The decision to suspend her followed school administrators on Friday receiving a report about allegations of her having relations with the teen in person and via electronic messages. Local authorities, including Child Protective Services, were promptly contacted, the district said.



Smile if you're a pedophile
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Teacher Cant Stop Smiling After Being Accused Of Having Sexual Relations With Teen (Original Post) IronLionZion Mar 2017 OP
Oh RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #1
Is this sarcasm? oberliner Mar 2017 #81
Not technically a pedophile Calculating Mar 2017 #2
Yeah this. Kentonio Mar 2017 #8
It is rape however HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #51
Not in the literal, direct sense of the term and not called statutory rape where infraction cited FiveGoodMen Mar 2017 #60
Could be a bullshit case BeyondGeography Mar 2017 #3
I hope so IronLionZion Mar 2017 #6
It's a jury trick yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #28
Nonverbal communication science. littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #31
It worked for Tom Delay IronLionZion Mar 2017 #48
And her attorney already went there..."Because she knows she's innocent" JTFrog Mar 2017 #52
Old IT saying: Those who smile in adversity, either know the answer or don't have a clue. TheBlackAdder Mar 2017 #14
Or are sociopaths, like Ted Buddy, who smiled for every camera. anneboleyn Mar 2017 #45
and the pictures could have been taking during happier times. They don't look like mug shots. n/t FSogol Mar 2017 #18
Nope Bradical79 Mar 2017 #20
Really? That's dry erase marker on a whiteboard. Compare to a real mug shot: FSogol Mar 2017 #36
Wait, are you looking at this through the innocent until proven guilty lens? BannonsLiver Mar 2017 #89
Yes, even if it gets you labelled as pro-all-sorts-of-awful-things here BeyondGeography Mar 2017 #90
Good on you. BannonsLiver Mar 2017 #92
Great user name! IronLionZion Mar 2017 #95
It's not OK and should not be normalized IronLionZion Mar 2017 #4
If we judged sex crimes on a case-by-case basis... Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #5
They'll probably offer her a deal. TexasBushwhacker Mar 2017 #13
Tolerating a double-standard is merely enabling that same double-standard. LanternWaste Mar 2017 #85
Double standards exist for a reason Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #86
Someone tell me why an attractive lady would do this? MosheFeingold Mar 2017 #7
Power and control IronLionZion Mar 2017 #9
Maybe she's just a sick individual who likes to fuck children. Iggo Mar 2017 #10
In Texas, it is not illegal to have sex with a 17 year old jberryhill Mar 2017 #34
Well hooray for Texas! Iggo Mar 2017 #42
The law has to draw a line somewhere jberryhill Mar 2017 #43
"But I sincerely doubt that a 26 year old becomes a "sick fuck" if they wander into Delaware" Iggo Mar 2017 #59
The thrill of forbidden fruit most likely Calculating Mar 2017 #11
Most likely answer Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #15
Power and control over society IronLionZion Mar 2017 #17
That seems a little deep for a conscious motivator. Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #19
Here's an interesting article on why IronLionZion Mar 2017 #21
could just be something like a personality disorder womanofthehills Mar 2017 #79
Sooo...using your logic - cwydro Mar 2017 #30
Isn't that wonderful? Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #46
Nope MosheFeingold Mar 2017 #84
Power/sex fantasy Bradical79 Mar 2017 #37
I don't see anything that defines her as a possible pedophile. nt. NCTraveler Mar 2017 #12
Either way, innocent or guilty, Laffy Kat Mar 2017 #16
make no mistake Skittles Mar 2017 #22
Supposedly this is a pic of her in a costume Calculating Mar 2017 #23
she may have done it, but you literally just came to that conclusion from this picture? That is JCanete Mar 2017 #26
Easter? Already? littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #32
So she is guilty because she dressed up like a sexy bunny? Agschmid Mar 2017 #57
If dressing as a sexy bunny is a crime, then lock me up. Orrex Mar 2017 #87
Same. Agschmid Mar 2017 #93
I'm willing to give her a pass, on the count of her being an anatomy teacher. Some students are JCanete Mar 2017 #24
That joke is entirely inappropriate True Dough Mar 2017 #29
I have read the replies and I am disappointed in most of them Angry Dragon Mar 2017 #25
that's only a standard for the courts... eniwetok Mar 2017 #33
But the facts are there to support the 'traitorous starve the beast strategy' Angry Dragon Mar 2017 #38
sure... but would this accusation hold up in a court? eniwetok Mar 2017 #40
we will know soon .......... impeachment is just around the corner Angry Dragon Mar 2017 #41
Why should we expect that Trump is going to be impeached? He is already committing impeachable StevieM Mar 2017 #62
the country as a whole will not stand for it much longer Angry Dragon Mar 2017 #64
Too bad most GOP congress critters don't represent "the country as a whole." n/t Beartracks Mar 2017 #76
The sad truth. Party over country writ large. VOX Mar 2017 #88
and for citizens, who may be marybourg Mar 2017 #56
She is only in trouble because she is a teacher phleshdef Mar 2017 #27
You are correct jberryhill Mar 2017 #35
She taught anatomy? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #39
Wrong because it's abuse of her position, control. But hardly pedophile... Locut0s Mar 2017 #44
Um, I find the posts here baffling. If she was MALE AND HAD SEX WITH A 17 year old female student anneboleyn Mar 2017 #47
The responses on this thread are very interesting IronLionZion Mar 2017 #49
I think the reason you see a gender disparity is... Adrahil Mar 2017 #55
It comes down to 'what is victimization'? FiveGoodMen Mar 2017 #58
very few 17-year old girls would feel victimized by their coach/teacher...etc Horse with no Name Mar 2017 #61
I'm not saying that it was a good idea FiveGoodMen Mar 2017 #65
"it's pretty damned presumptuous to tell him that he is one and just doesn't know it" NYC Liberal Mar 2017 #73
I didn't see anyone say the student was Lucky, or that it was a good thing... Locut0s Mar 2017 #66
What if it was a college professor and a 20 year old student? oberliner Mar 2017 #82
Agree completely BainsBane Mar 2017 #70
Teaching 17-year-olds can be dangerous for young teachers. Adrahil Mar 2017 #50
Too bad that no one ever said not to do it HoneyBadger Mar 2017 #53
LOL... nice reference! NT Adrahil Mar 2017 #54
Man... linuxman Mar 2017 #63
She is guilty of abuse of power and violating Texas Blue_true Mar 2017 #67
Using a position of power to fuck a minor? linuxman Mar 2017 #69
Facts will determine whether she coerced the 17 year old Blue_true Mar 2017 #72
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2017 #91
Class 2 felony is nuts Mosby Mar 2017 #68
She may loose her job and get probation. Blue_true Mar 2017 #71
She's got a crazy look in her eyes IronLionZion Mar 2017 #74
That kid will need years of therapy to wipe the smile off his face. miyazaki Mar 2017 #75
Are any of you aware what happens to a college instructor (prof, TA, adjunct) who has sex with... Hekate Mar 2017 #77
Most sex fantasies leave out the real world consequences IronLionZion Mar 2017 #80
They don't go to jail oberliner Mar 2017 #83
Jail, no. Firing or sanctioning? Yes. It's a serious breach of ethics. Hekate Mar 2017 #94
Right, but unequal status/power in a relationship is commonplace oberliner Mar 2017 #96
You're not supposed to teach anatomy that way jmowreader Mar 2017 #78
She was hands on, in more ways than one. nt Blue_true Mar 2017 #97

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
2. Not technically a pedophile
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:36 PM
Mar 2017

Pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children. A 17 year old male is hardly a little boy. Inappropriate relationship between teacher and student? Sure. Pedophile/child molester? Not really. Should she be fired from the teaching profession? Definitely.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
60. Not in the literal, direct sense of the term and not called statutory rape where infraction cited
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 08:04 PM
Mar 2017

Texas Penal Code § 21.12. Improper Relationship Between Educator and Student

http://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-21-12.html

If someone punches someone is that assault or is it murder?

Some people sure like to ratchet things up!

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
28. It's a jury trick
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:36 PM
Mar 2017

It makes the jury feel you are not guilty. Seriously it works which is why many photographers always say don't smile when getting a mug shot. This woman was brilliant. She will walk.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
14. Old IT saying: Those who smile in adversity, either know the answer or don't have a clue.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:51 PM
Mar 2017

.


Still, I would be both pissed and scared being falsely charged.

Because, you never know how things will turn out, the damage to the name, and the costs incurred.


.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
20. Nope
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:12 PM
Mar 2017

First one is clearly a mugshot. You can see the wall ruler for measuring height in the background that's in all mugshots.

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
89. Wait, are you looking at this through the innocent until proven guilty lens?
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:42 AM
Mar 2017

How novel. And appropriate.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
4. It's not OK and should not be normalized
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:39 PM
Mar 2017

regardless of the ages, any adult teacher should know this is wrong

The audacity of these people. So smug

 

Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
5. If we judged sex crimes on a case-by-case basis...
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:40 PM
Mar 2017

I think it's safe to assume this doesn't go to trial. Double standard sure, but that's life.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
85. Tolerating a double-standard is merely enabling that same double-standard.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:28 AM
Mar 2017

Tolerating a double-standard is merely enabling that same double-standard. But no worries... a lazy mind values bias more than rational thought.

That's life, as well.

 

Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
86. Double standards exist for a reason
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:36 AM
Mar 2017

In this case there are TWO (duo) mainstream heteronormative genders and the basic behavioral and sexual characteristics existing on the bell curve for them. There are biological differences in most cases and, by definition, psychological as well.

You can continue to see the world in a way where everybody is a gelatinous gray blob, but I'll live in reality.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
7. Someone tell me why an attractive lady would do this?
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:41 PM
Mar 2017

And, yes, it makes a difference that she's very pretty. She's presumably pretty bright if she was a science teacher, too.

So she clearly would have had men chasing her. It's not like her options were limited.

I suppose it's about her having control in the relationship. Or perhaps the thrill of the forbidden.

The boy's motivations are obvious, even to an old man who only vaguely remembers.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
9. Power and control
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:42 PM
Mar 2017

and apparently the smug impunity of believing she will get away with something she knows is wrong

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
10. Maybe she's just a sick individual who likes to fuck children.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:45 PM
Mar 2017

Of course that's assuming she did it (which I admittedly shouldn't assume).

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
34. In Texas, it is not illegal to have sex with a 17 year old
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:44 PM
Mar 2017

What makes this a criminal situation is that it IS illegal for a teacher to have sex with students.

However, there are innumerable 26 year olds having sex with 17 year olds in Texas, who are neither "sick individuals" nor criminals.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
43. The law has to draw a line somewhere
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:27 PM
Mar 2017

...and that's up to the legislatures of the states to decide.

Whether someone is mentally ill is a question for the mental health profession.

Whether someone has violated the law is a question for legal profession.

But I sincerely doubt that a 26 year old who is lawfully engaged in a relationship with a 16 year old in Pennsylvania (yes 16), becomes a "sick fuck" if they wander into Delaware and do the same thing.

Someone with so little sense of responsibility to do what this teacher is alleged to have done certainly seems to have a problem of some kind, because one would expect a teacher to exercise sufficient ethical judgment even if they were unaware of the law on the subject of sexual exploitation based on a position of authority, but the "pedophile" tag seems to be applied with such joyous abandon here at DU, and it is helpful to know the context before wandering into pizza parlors with guns.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
59. "But I sincerely doubt that a 26 year old becomes a "sick fuck" if they wander into Delaware"
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 06:37 PM
Mar 2017

I agree.

They're a sick fuck to start with.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
11. The thrill of forbidden fruit most likely
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:46 PM
Mar 2017

An attractive lady like her would have had no problem getting guys who were 18+ and not her students.

 

Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
15. Most likely answer
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:54 PM
Mar 2017

People are saying "power and control", but honestly, how much power/control does a cute female teacher have over a 17 year-old boy? I know that when I was that age my teachers had less psychological control over me than I had over them.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
17. Power and control over society
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:03 PM
Mar 2017

knowing that she can do things that would land others in prison, and get away with it

Just because a 17 year old boy is willing, doesn't mean he isn't being taken advantage of. An adult teacher should know better and be held responsible

 

Jonny Appleseed

(960 posts)
19. That seems a little deep for a conscious motivator.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:06 PM
Mar 2017

Maybe a reason that she decided to follow thru on it. But that same philosophy doesn't prevent ugly male teachers from doing the same even though they know they won't get off easy if caught.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
21. Here's an interesting article on why
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:14 PM
Mar 2017

One possible reason is there are more opportunities available and more copycats feel inspired when they hear about it

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-teachers-have-sex-with-their-students-2012-2

A google search doesn't yield much social science research on this topic unfortunately. But it would be something worth studying.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
30. Sooo...using your logic -
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:37 PM
Mar 2017

It would be understandable if a woman you don't consider "very pretty" did the same thing?

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
46. Isn't that wonderful?
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:34 PM
Mar 2017

"I mean, hey, if she was ugly, I'd get her jumping on any penis offered, but this one's cute."

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
84. Nope
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:23 AM
Mar 2017

And my post didn't say anything about that.

But, yes, a pretty (and apparently smart and educated) person has more dating options than an ugly person.

That may not be fair or whatever, but it's reality, for both men and women.

In my long life, I've seen many an ugly person of both sexes make piss-poor decisions when given attention by a more attractive person -- or really anyone who shows them attention, for that matter. That's a statement about how society values physical attractiveness and unfairly treats less attractive people.* It's a fact, not a judgment.

So, while it is not understandable or excusable for an ugly person to make a stupid decision like this, this teacher's physical beauty eliminates a common variable for bad choices, yes.

* And regarding the beauty double-standard, go look at the sentences imposed on attractive women for this crime vs. the sentences imposed on less attractive women for the exact same thing. They're actually been enough events that there was a study. Pretty people got parole (at least at first) or some sort of slap on the wrist. Ugly ones get the slammer.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
37. Power/sex fantasy
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:48 PM
Mar 2017

The teacher student fantasy is very prevalent, but most people keep it in the realm of fantasy.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
22. make no mistake
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:18 PM
Mar 2017

something is very wrong with these women

their lack of judgement makes them unfit to be teachers and yes, they need to be charged

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
23. Supposedly this is a pic of her in a costume
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:22 PM
Mar 2017

Looks like she loves attention and to flaunt herself. I have little doubt that she did this because she felt entitled to forbidden pleasure, and now that she got caught she thinks the best strategy is to just smile and laugh about it. Affluenza in a nutshell.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
26. she may have done it, but you literally just came to that conclusion from this picture? That is
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:34 PM
Mar 2017

getting into some really ugly terrain. That's how people discredit witnesses and victims too. I don't think we should engage in it just because in this case, the person is herself accused of something we find predatory. That shouldn't all of a sudden, make that kind of value judgement about a person because of how she dresses at a party, okay.


 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
24. I'm willing to give her a pass, on the count of her being an anatomy teacher. Some students are
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:28 PM
Mar 2017

kinesthetic learners.

Joking of course, but yeah, as others have said...first, this would be an abuse of her age and position and is certainly a power imbalance...not pedophilia. Second, your tag is inappropriate and dangerous for another reason, other than bandying out the wrong label, since at this point you don't know if she is actually guilty of the crime she's been accused of. I don't think we should be so quick to try people in the court of public opinion without even having the evidence.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
25. I have read the replies and I am disappointed in most of them
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:33 PM
Mar 2017

I thought one was innocent until the facts proved otherwise??

Don't follow the republican path

eniwetok

(1,629 posts)
33. that's only a standard for the courts...
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:43 PM
Mar 2017

We are free to think anyone is guilty of something even without hard proof. For example I don't need to see a strategy memo to know the GOP is guilty of a traitorous starve the beast strategy... the deliberate sabotage of the fiscal health of the nation for political purposes.

eniwetok

(1,629 posts)
40. sure... but would this accusation hold up in a court?
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:16 PM
Mar 2017

We don't have access to secret GOP memos... through there are a few incriminating quotes. We KNOW STB is true because it explains GOP fiscally irresponsible actions...

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
62. Why should we expect that Trump is going to be impeached? He is already committing impeachable
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 08:25 PM
Mar 2017

offenses right out in the open.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
27. She is only in trouble because she is a teacher
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:35 PM
Mar 2017

As far as I understand the age of consent in Texas is 17 years old

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
35. You are correct
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:45 PM
Mar 2017

It is illegal for a teacher to have sex with a student.

It is not illegal in Texas, for a 26 year old and a 17 year old to have sex.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
44. Wrong because it's abuse of her position, control. But hardly pedophile...
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:30 PM
Mar 2017

Don't get me wrong it's clearly wrong as it's abuse of power in her position. But 17 is clearly not pedophile territory. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescents. 17 is basically an adult. As others have said in Texas, and many other states, their relationship would be legal if not for her job. I'm not arguing what she did was right, obviously it's was terrible judgement on her part, abuse of power. But pedophilia it is definitely not.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
47. Um, I find the posts here baffling. If she was MALE AND HAD SEX WITH A 17 year old female student
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:41 PM
Mar 2017

would people be posting about how the student was LUCKY and it wasn't *really* a problem and a 17 year girl isn't a child...are we now in Milo territory? Yes, I know what the TECHNICAL definitions mean. As an educator myself I find anything like this to be a gross abuse of power, and in a case like this I suspect mental illness is involved. I see posts joking about how he was lucky and saying a "17 year old boy isn't a child." Yes, I know the TECHICAL DEFINITION. Don't cite the OED or Greek roots for me. But this is ridiculous, and laughing it off because the teacher is female and attractive (I guess -- if she looked very different or if she wasn't a blonde white woman would people be posting that the student was LUCKY?) is really not appropriate.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
49. The responses on this thread are very interesting
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:49 PM
Mar 2017

and I do see a significant gender disparity. It's heartening to see women and teachers agree this behavior is wrong. Others seem to be having their own fantasies.

No one can know what is going on in the student's mind or how it will affect his life and psychological state going forward.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
55. I think the reason you see a gender disparity is...
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 06:11 PM
Mar 2017

Is because the male-female relationship is so often couched in terms of male aggressive behavior. Our culture encourages males to be sexually aggressive and even predatory. So many people assume the male was actively pursuing the relationship, and enjoyed it.

That perception could be wrong, but many young men buy into the cultural tropes and it could be the young man DID pursue and enjoy it. But the woman still has the responsibility to avoid such entanglements.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
58. It comes down to 'what is victimization'?
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 06:36 PM
Mar 2017

No 17-year-old boy would feel victimized from sleeping with her.

Just none.

I know that if you flip it to the other side and the 17-year-old was a woman we'd pretty much all feel differently.

But that doesn't really matter.

The 17-year-old boy wouldn't feel like a victim.

And it's pretty damned presumptuous to tell him that he is one and just doesn't know it.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
61. very few 17-year old girls would feel victimized by their coach/teacher...etc
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 08:14 PM
Mar 2017

However, despite the age, using your position of power over a subordinate to seduce them into a sexual relationship is wrong--no matter what the optics. The players almost always have different motives for succumbing to the relationship and neither are valid and can potentially harm future relationships. What lasting relationship can ever top the "Hot Teacher" forbidden fruit sex?

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
65. I'm not saying that it was a good idea
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:51 PM
Mar 2017

I'm certainly not claiming that it's legal

But the truth deserves better treatment than the people calling this pedophilia and rape are giving it.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
73. "it's pretty damned presumptuous to tell him that he is one and just doesn't know it"
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 11:13 PM
Mar 2017

It's also pretty damn presumptuous to say that "NO" boy would feel victimized or have any issues.

The article, by the way, says that she was arrested based on statements given to the police by him.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
66. I didn't see anyone say the student was Lucky, or that it was a good thing...
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:11 PM
Mar 2017

Maybe I missed those posts, quite possibly. Only speaking for myself I know I never said he was lucky, nor that why was done was not wrong. Quite the opposite. Most of the arguments I saw though were that calling this pedophilia is not right. What's wrong is the power dynamic involved between the teacher and student. His young age does serve to magnify the gravity of the crime but that's about it. And yes I would make the same argument if the genders were reversed. Noting again that I'm not arguing a crime was not commited, just not the crime of pedophilia nor anything close to that severity IMHO.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
82. What if it was a college professor and a 20 year old student?
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 09:25 AM
Mar 2017

Isn't there a similar power dynamic involved there? Yet, such relationships are perfectly legal and occur with some regularity.

An unequal power dynamic does not make a relationship illegal, generally speaking. An adult engaging in a relationship with a minor does.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
50. Teaching 17-year-olds can be dangerous for young teachers.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:49 PM
Mar 2017

She's only 10 years older than the boy, and while that seems like a lot when he's 17 and she's 27, it wouldn't seem so much if she was 37 and he was 27. My dad was 10 years older than my mom.

But that just means the adult in the room (legally speaking) needs to me very careful about managing that relationship. The teacher-student relationship is one of power and it cannot be abused. Yeah, she's conventionally attractive, and I don't the boy "minded" it, but it still an abusive relationship. It's always amazing to me how being horny can completely turn the brain off.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
67. She is guilty of abuse of power and violating Texas
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:40 PM
Mar 2017

law against Teacher-Student romantic relationships. But, because the Age of Consent is apparently 17 years old in Texas, she isn't a sexual predator by definition, she did not rape the kid unless she held grades over his head to force him to have sex with her.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
72. Facts will determine whether she coerced the 17 year old
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 11:01 PM
Mar 2017

or whether he willingly engaged in sexual with her. As thing are, she violated the law against teacher-student romance.

While she is a decade older than the 17 year old, she is still young. The great majority of 17 year olds have had sex by that age and eventhough they may not be capable of handling the emotional side of sex, the physical side is familiar to them. I know in my case, my High School had a number of very attractive 23-24 year old female teachers and pretty much every male student that I knew had sexual fantasies for them - and I was among the nerd crowd, being a high grade point average student, I can only imagine what the jocks were saying.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
71. She may loose her job and get probation.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:50 PM
Mar 2017

Probably no jail since she had sex with a statutory legal person. Each state sets it's own age of consent age. IMO, even if the boy was ready to have sex with her and was legal per Texas law, What she did was gross.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
74. She's got a crazy look in her eyes
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 11:31 PM
Mar 2017


like something out of a horror movie

Real life is not always like some porn fantasy. You have no idea what someone else has experienced. It may not be as great as you imagine.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
77. Are any of you aware what happens to a college instructor (prof, TA, adjunct) who has sex with...
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:26 AM
Mar 2017

...their students?

Christ on a trailer hitch, what a weird and ignorant thread.

Regardless of the difference in ages, regardless of whether or not the student is or is not "of age," there is a profound difference in status and yes, power. Teachers have the power of life and death, so to speak, over their students' transcripts -- whether they can take the next course in the curriculum, whether they can be accepted to the college of their choice, whether a future employer will look on them with favor.

When my husband was still teaching at the local college, a young lady came into his office wearing a low cut top, leaned over his desk and said, "I'd do anything for an A." Really, honey? And have him get fired in disgrace? He told her to open her textbook and study.

Yes, college-level teachers, with their over-18 and over-21 students, can lose their careers. The rule is -- never date, much less have sex with, someone who is actually in your class at the time. It is a helluva conflict of interest. Wait until all the grades are in. That's what my brother did when he was a TA, and fell hard for the young woman with the waist-length blond hair. Only when she was well out of his class did he date her and court her.

High school students are of an age to be socially naive, impressionable, and vulnerable. Boys may be horny, but that still applies to them. There have been a couple of cases in the last 15 years or so of predatory teachers who seduced a student and got pregnant accidentally on purpose. You guys who snicker at how "lucky" the boy in the OP was, think on that.

She needs to lose her license to teach K-12 kids.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
80. Most sex fantasies leave out the real world consequences
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 09:03 AM
Mar 2017

I can believe that a teenager would not think about the consequences. But it is very disappointing that many adults don't either.

It's probably not quite as awesome as many are imagining.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
83. They don't go to jail
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 09:29 AM
Mar 2017

College instructors who have sex with their students have not committed any crime.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
94. Jail, no. Firing or sanctioning? Yes. It's a serious breach of ethics.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:35 PM
Mar 2017

I was employed in Personnel (now Human Resources) at the local University of California for years.

The ones who get away with it are the ones with the good sense to not date students they have to give a grade to.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
96. Right, but unequal status/power in a relationship is commonplace
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:55 PM
Mar 2017

And is, of course, not illegal.

The law deals with incidents regarding minors very differently.

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