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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 12:04 PM Jun 2012

3 extra credits for anyone that watched UP with Chris Hayes this morning.


The discussion covered the Supreme Court decision and the Eric Holder contempt charges. There were a couple of constitutional scholars plus Ezra Klein and others. It was very informative in the way they handled the tax vs commerce clause in the Court arguments. It was almost like the Democrats had to be reminded that they had the power to tax per the Constitution of the US. In their desire not to be called "big taxing liberals", they were always searching for ways to compromise with the tax-cutting conservatives. One of the guests, perhaps it was the Congresswoman from NY, suggested that the Congress stop running from their constitutional right to levy taxes when necessity dictated. And the healthcare issue was one of those types of necessities.

Also, Chris had on the author of the article in Fortune magazine, Katherine Eban, that had investigated and researched the facts in the "Fast and Furious" case in Arizona. She explained clearly and concisely what was happening and what had happened in the gun running cases in Phoenix. The drug dealers in Mexico, thru a middleman, would pay youngsters, like an 18-year old, to purchase large numbers of automatic weapons legally and transfer them to the narco-gun runners in Mexico. There were no laws against it and none of the law enforcement would take them on. The NRA, in their paranoia, (my words) were afraid the Obama Administration was going to crack down on the sales of automatic weapons and they preferred the shipment of weapons to the drug dealers over the possibility that there might be some federal oversight over the sale of these weapons.

It was an educational show and deserving of the extra credits, in my opinion.
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3 extra credits for anyone that watched UP with Chris Hayes this morning. (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2012 OP
Thanks for the rundown.. ananda Jun 2012 #1
Did Roberts nullify the fredamae Jun 2012 #2
They did seem to imply that. kentuck Jun 2012 #3
Thanks- fredamae Jun 2012 #4
I am afraid that the current admin would continue the persecution of cannabis users. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #5
I saw Katherine Eban on Rachel's show B Calm Jun 2012 #6
I was very impressed with her.. kentuck Jun 2012 #9
He needs to be moved to an evening time slot or replace the prison shit on the weekends! lonestarnot Jun 2012 #7
Will make it a point to watch it online. I love Chris Hayes. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #8
Outstanding! GoldenOldie Jun 2012 #10
Great program this morning malaise Jun 2012 #11
Investigate how this criminal got so kitt6 Jun 2012 #12
K&R, Kentuck! liam_laddie Jun 2012 #13
If this had been a Republican issue .. dcromley Jun 2012 #14
Katherine Eban deserves a Pulitzer. northoftheborder Jun 2012 #15
Good points. kentuck Jun 2012 #16
Thanks for the extra credits! tosh Jun 2012 #17
Constitution is mainly a TAX document ErikJ Jun 2012 #18
Thanks! kentuck Jun 2012 #19
I love Chris Hayes' show PatSeg Jun 2012 #20
I love that show. I missed it this morning, but I try to watch it every weekend. NC_Nurse Jun 2012 #21
I watched it, it was excellent. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2012 #22

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
2. Did Roberts nullify the
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jun 2012

Gonzales V Raiche decision based upon his opinion of the Commerce Clause? Did this ruling create a "Catch-22" that mandates individuals to grow cannabis?
I thought that part interesting.
Many times during the ACA debate in the SCOTUS, this decision was heavily referred to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich

I'm asking because I'm no lawyer and I'm not sure what this means nor why this particular decision was seemingly a key consideration.
Thanks in advance.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
3. They did seem to imply that.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 12:31 PM
Jun 2012

But they did not go into it deeply enough to understand it thoroughly.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
4. Thanks-
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 12:36 PM
Jun 2012

I'm happy to hear I am not the only one left questioning "clarity of intent"
The question now is Who can clarify and how many ways will those opinions differ from each other
It would be awesome if Cannabis Prohibition was accidently overturned via SCOTUS!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
5. I am afraid that the current admin would continue the persecution of cannabis users.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 12:59 PM
Jun 2012

The only recourse citizens would have would be to take them to court and that would give the Court a chance to "fix" the mistake.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
6. I saw Katherine Eban on Rachel's show
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:03 PM
Jun 2012

Wednesday night. She was very clear and easy to understand!

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
7. He needs to be moved to an evening time slot or replace the prison shit on the weekends!
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:14 PM
Jun 2012

Endless loop!

GoldenOldie

(1,540 posts)
10. Outstanding!
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:27 PM
Jun 2012

I live in Arizona and didn't realize how bad any form of gun control is here. I now understand how easy it was for a mentally disturbed young man to buy a gun and shoot Gabby Giffords, my Representative. NRA and Issa really needed to be exposed and Katherine Eban and Chris Hayes did an excellent job. Hopefully other true journalists will pick up the gauntlet.

This show is one that should be re-run.

liam_laddie

(1,321 posts)
13. K&R, Kentuck!
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:00 PM
Jun 2012

Been watching "UP..." both Sat & Sun since it started; a great partner with Rachel Maddow for MSNBC. Along with Bill Moyers on PBS and
Bill Maher's "Real Time" on HBO (on summer hiatus until mid-August) these are IMHO the most intelligent discussion/news/opinion shows on the tube.
Very good summary...thanks!

dcromley

(1 post)
14. If this had been a Republican issue ..
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:00 PM
Jun 2012

If this had been a Republican issue .. would the 9 SC votes have been opposite of what they were yesterday?

northoftheborder

(7,574 posts)
15. Katherine Eban deserves a Pulitzer.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:01 PM
Jun 2012

What a sorry mess of lies have been spun for public consumption - a veritable spider's web of total distortion, cover up, misleading information. Issa should be tried for misuse of his office - kicked out - he is double scum - along with the NRA.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
16. Good points.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:17 PM
Jun 2012

I would agree about Katherine Eban.

However, I wonder what Issa could be charged with? Malfeasance of office? He is the one that is covering up the information that is needed for people to make an informed decision. He is withholding information from his own investigation. It does seem criminal.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
18. Constitution is mainly a TAX document
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:41 PM
Jun 2012

I like how that guy pulled out his Constitituiton and said the main article in the constitution is about the power of the govt to tax. The Articles of Confederation didnt have that so it made the Constitituion necessary if the US was to survive from the continuing threat from Britain.

PatSeg

(47,602 posts)
20. I love Chris Hayes' show
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:47 PM
Jun 2012

and this was as you wrote, one of the more educational ones.

I had to stop and rewind it several times as it was so packed with information, I couldn't absorb it all. Excellent choice of guests.

NC_Nurse

(11,646 posts)
21. I love that show. I missed it this morning, but I try to watch it every weekend.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 08:45 PM
Jun 2012

Sounds like it was excellent as usual.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
22. I watched it, it was excellent.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:58 AM
Jul 2012

Do I get brownie points?Huh? Huh?

I was a college bum so I have way too many college credit hours. 12 years' worth.

I think I have 290 hours of college and grad school.....??? A bachelor's degree is 124.

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