"I believed everything he said": Ex-supporter whose son ODd says Trumpcare made him turn on the pre

[Miles Archer]

‘I believed everything he said’: Ex-supporter whose son OD’d says Trumpcare made him turn on the president

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/i-believed-everything-he-said-ex-supporter-whose-son-odd-says-trumpcare-made-him-turn-on-the-president/

Kraig Moss shadowed Trump’s campaign rallies during the 2016 election to tell the story of his son, Rob Moss, who died on Jan. 16, 2014 from a heroin/fentanyl overdose at age 24. The grieving father was a staunch Trump supporter, and was encouraged to support then-candidate Trump by his promise to help addicts struggling with addiction. Trump even reached out to Moss personally at a rally, calling him “a great father,” and assuring him, “your son is proud of you.”

“I’m not on the Trump trail anymore, and I’ve lost my heart,” Moss told CNN’s Elizabeth Cohen in an interview, pointing to the president’s support of the American Health Care Act, which would drop an addiction treatment and mental health mandate that covers 1.3 million Americans. Moss told Cohen he believes Rob would still be alive if he had health insurance.

“I believed everything he said,” Moss said. “Now I don’t believe he was true in his word when he was speaking. I think he was looking for votes, to be honest with you.”

“It’s not at all what Mr. Trump promised everybody he was going to provide for us,” he added. “I feel that now—anger, I feel hurt inside.”

[winetourdriver01]

1. I believed

No matter who you are, or who you support, nobody should believe everything ANY politician says!

[Hortensis]

121. Verify, verify, verify. #? of how many thousands of

people who will be stepping forward to testify, not that they didn't verify, but that their willfully blind trust was betrayed?

A tiny step toward undoing the enormous harm they've done, and must have some worth, but each one just makes me feel sick over and over again.

[tblue37]

171. Of course, he still supports Cheato, despite what he says in this article. nt

[Hortensis]

185. How about a "mysterious tidal wave that turned

social media into brainless anti-Clinton mush?" as Rachel Maddow describes Russia's successful takeover of BOTH right wing and much of left wing political discussion? It's too much to expect most people to be sufficiently intelligent, emotionally balanced, and educated to withstand major professional national attacks like this.

Some very responsible Bernie Sanders sites realized they were effectively being taken over by Russian and Breitbart and Infowars bots and tried to warn their future voters, but we now know, no matter how hard they tried, that was far too late.

[ananda]

2. Sorry ..

.. but it was known from the beginning that 45 was
a bully, a liar, dishonest, and part of the rape culture.

If you voted for someone like that, you need an
operation to get your head out of your ass.

[nolabear]

10. He had the greatest loss you can have. Afford a little grace.

I appreciate your anger but there comes a time when someone can't pay any bigger price. He knows now he was played, like Stevens' mother and that SEAL's widow were played. He didn't know then. He may continue to move toward better thinking if he isn't excoriated now for that mistake.

[gopiscrap]

27. Fuck him, he voted for the bastard I hope he lives a life of grief

I have no sympathy what so ever for any motherfucking god damn trump supporter

[pinboy3niner]

41. Why castigate the guy now for what he USED to think?

Or even for the way he voted then?

He's opened his eyes and is a different person now. seems the smarter reaction is to forgive and forget, let bygones be bygones and not shame hin for the past.

And to support and encourage him in speaking out now.

[KingCharlemagne]

87. Good points! I do hope that every able-bodied adult who cast a

ballot for Trump personlly suffers the consequences of their votes but I wouldn't wish the death of a child on any parent, not even on Trump himself.

[pangaia]

128. "e's opened his eyes and is a different person now."

Wanna bet?

[tblue37]

173. He still has his pro-Trump posts up on his FB page. nt

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[wip7lg]

202. The reason

Kraig has been busy with interviews.

Sat: NPR, MSNBC for I believe Rachael Meadow show
Sun: ABC George Stephanopoulos (sp)
Mon: AFP World News and then ? ...
Sky News from England
Sun: Dutch TV...

[The Sand Reckoner]

191. Let him make up for the results of his voting choice

and his decades of Republican votes before that. Until then, fuck him.

[cwydro]

63. Wow, seriously?

You hope he "lives a life of grief."

What an awful thing to wish on another person.

[The Sand Reckoner]

192. And that is exactly what he wished on millions of other people

by voting for Trump.

karma's a bitch, ain't it?

[Kittycow]

68. I guarantee you he already lives a life of grief.

I lost my kid. He will bear this suffering til the end of his days. Trump takes advantage of people in deep grief and that's just one more sickening thing he does.

I don't know if it's the same guy, but some deplorables wrote gloating letters to a grieving father/trump supporter whose kid ODed. I think it was marked as being mailed from trump tower.

My hope is that all the people who trump played and who have trump regrets aren't just blowing it out their ass and then revert to voting for his ilk anyway. I rather work on those who sat home.

[Miles Archer]

100. I can't speak for anyone here, but...

...when I post this kind of thread, and I've done it often, it's to hold a mirror up to Trump and confirm his lies and lack of anything resembling interest in or compassion for the American people.

I don't do it to savor the "but he LIED" to us grief of the people in red hats. This is a tragedy for this man and a cold slap in the face by reality at the same time.

I WOULD like to stand face-to-face with them, as well as all of his supporters, and ask "What the HELL were you thinking," but we have to face the harsh reality that many in our society only go one layer deep when it comes to "information," and that Trump built EVERYTHING on the concept of a sucker being born every minute.

It's not even a matter of what Trump is hiding...the areas of his life that are a documented, open book should have sent voters screaming toward the hills. And obviously, that didn't happen.

And yes, he might be out there four years from now with his gee-tar an a fresh new vision of hope, assuming Trump hasn't quit or been impeached by then. If Trump is removed and Pence takes his place, my somewhat educated guess is that Trump supporters will "rally behind" him.

My sister and brother in law in Colorado are still 100% on the Trump train. When I told my brother in law about Paul Ryan, his response was "If it doesn't affect me personally, I don't care, and if they do take Medicare and Social Security away, hopefully I'll be dead by then."

Yes...my brother in law has been a life-long, self-interested prick.

[Kittycow]

111. I actually agree with you on above points.

I just wanted to empathize with that guy's loss of child. But past the common loss that I share with him, would he empathize that I became totally disabled at age 50? I have a safety net but I read time and time again in these forums about the people who don't. Would he empathize with them ?

Actually I doubt it because trump mocked the disabled and that was evidently OK with christian singer man. My own family voted for trump because it's all about the abortion with them. I mentioned social security and Medicare up for the axe which affects the younger generation of our family. No response. I guess we're all the collateral damage in the culture /class wars.

Thank you for your response.

[tblue37]

175. It is the same guy. nt

[Kittycow]

188. Thanks.

[easttexaslefty]

198. Exactly

My son died too.
(((((((Hugs )))))))))

[Kittycow]

199. I'm so sorry to hear that :*(

[joshcryer]

69. Fucked up.

I'm all for not giving the Republicans no quarter, but this is a voter, he deserves all the sympathy and love he can get. Fuck the haters.

[aikoaiko]

83. Your hatred for Trump is causing you to say disgusting things.

[WinkyDink]

94. Have you been paying attention to what Trump wants to do to poor and elderly Americans????

[aikoaiko]

98. uh yes, but I don't see how that justifies wishing on anyone the everlasting grief of a dead child.

Especially to someone who has seen the light and is speaking up.

We don't have to be vile to win this political battle and save lives.

[gopiscrap]

105. actually in todays political atmosphere we need to be just as vile if not more

to win. Democrats have got to stop with the polyanna attitude that the high road wins. Fuck anyone who is in our way, may they rot in hell for all eternity, if there is one. If not may they suffer a life of miserhy! That's the only way in today's new political atmosphere that a win will take place

[aikoaiko]

106. I reject and denounce your political strategy.

Its not necessary. We will win with a strong social and economic justice platform and credible leaders.

[HughBeaumont]

114. Yeah, how's THAT been working out since 2010?

[aikoaiko]

120. I was happy when Obama was reelected. You?

If you think being deplorable is the way toward humane US policies, I can't help you.

[HughBeaumont]

122. Yes, but during and since then . . . .

. . . our party has lost the Senate, the House, a majority of governorships, a majority of state legislatures, the Presidency and very soon, the Judicial Branch.

Don't know what's going on with the Party, but whatever they've been doing, it's not working.

They're getting bested by people who are morally in the Bronze Age, economically in the Gilded Age, culturally in the Antebellum South and technologically in the mid-1990s. COME on, y'all!

[The Sand Reckoner]

193. Yes, like we won in 2016

[WinkyDink]

115. Not wishing him that. Just not caring that he sold all his stuff to be a Groupie for Trump. And he

hasn't really "seen the light"; he's acknowledging misapprehending Donald J. Trump. The next Republican pol? Who knows?

[CountAllVotes]

107. tRump is one sick bastard

Anyone that voted for this pig of a man will reap what they have sown. Dead kid, dead spouse, dead parents, etc.

Stupid idiots the lot of them.

I have no sympathy for any of them as they wish ill upon their fellow Americans. Fuck them indeed!

[gopiscrap]

113. My feelings exactly

[CountAllVotes]

124. +1,000 !!

No 'effin sh*t!!!

Impeach this traitor NOW!!!!!

If you love America this is what you will do rather than defend a traitor!

[Hugo24601]

84. So sad.

[Turbineguy]

103. Wow!

This guy was subjected to a sophisticated RW propaganda machine for years. You might very well say he had no free will left. He lost his child.

He figured this out on his own. I wish him well, he's paid his dues.

[Loki Liesmith]

112. Emotional outbursts like yours waste time and energy

[riversedge]

131. I did not know that adiction treatment was on the chopping block for #AHCA and just called

my Senators (yes, my Repug Senator also) and Rep and let them know how I feel about this. I hope you and others do the same.
I really have no sympathy for him either at this point but we can turn our anger into something productive I hope.

[NotThisTime]

136. He's already living a life of grief, so your hope is fulfilled.

[radical noodle]

139. I don't know your circumstances gopiscrap,

but when one has a child (even an adult child) who has drifted down into mental illness and drug abuse, one tends to grasp at any straw that gives them hope. Trump offered that straw to grasp. I doubt this person even thought about trump in any other way other than getting help for his son.

Granted, he was gullible, he was played... but he believed at the time that he would be getting much-needed help for his son. I know that desperation, but we were lucky and our child lived and got through it.

[wip7lg]

196. Perfect observation..

It was the only glimmer he had after such a tragic death. He feels empty and it saddens me to talk with Kraig because it seems like he's reached out for the last straw, but he carries on with his voice because of how ripped off and betrayed he now feels. We actually laughed because of people's assumptions about who he is without knowing who he is, and why he does the things the way he does.

[Rhiannon12866]

197. I agree, this is the most devastating loss for anyone, and he's truly fortunate to have you

Welcome to DU... It's got to be painful for you, as well.

[wip7lg]

200. FYI..

Awww, thank you. It's painful to read cruel and threatening comments because my brother is blood and so is my nephew (RIP.) What is also painful is knowing and seeing how much pain my brother continues to be in, but at the same time, he's been given a new platform to continue to use his voice. And I truly believe that his voice is being heard. For example, per a text from Kraig from a couple of hours ago...

"Tomorrow am is NPR News Crew, afternoon is MSNBC for I believe Rachael Meadow Show. Sunday morning there will be a segment on ABC George Stephonopolis show. Monday I film with AFP World News and then I dont know. Sky News from England, Sunday is Dutch TV... There's just so much going on. I'm trying to cram it all in. I have to go back to work."

[rivegauche]

141. You and me both.

Think the deplorable Chump scum would have compassion for one of ours? FUCK NO they wouldn't.

[gopiscrap]

142. exactly

[LisaM]

28. I agree with you, Nolabear.

I am not going tp let GOP hate make me into someone who can't find empathy for someone else's pain.

[demmiblue]

49. Ditto. n/t

[WePurrsevere]

59. Exactly! Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster...

for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.” (Friedrich Nietzsche)

I used to think the biggest difference between Democrats and Republicans was empathy vs a lack of empathy. Reading some of the comments here I'm not so sure now.

I get the anger and fear (I and some of my family will be hit very hard, possibly even die, because of some of the Trump/GOP shit) but I think in this case (and others like it) it's being misdirected. Trump voters were, and still are, being manipulated by Fox & other RW propaganda media, Trump, RepubliCon politicians/talking heads and Russia. THAT'S where most of my anger is directed, certainly not at attacking a fellow human being who has suffered such a heartbreaking tragedy, feels remorse for poor choices he made and is willing to look the fool and put himself in the line of fire (and I imagine he's getting a LOT from the RW nutters too) to try and warn others.

[WinkyDink]

97. Ya know, this man had ZERO EMPATHY for others, else how could he vote for Trump? WTH ELECTED

Trump and "RepubliCon politicians," the Man in the Moon?

[WePurrsevere]

123. I fully understand who 'elected' Trump...

and it wasn't only extreme RWers. It was mislead moderates, "anyone but Hillary" people and the "man in the moon" aka Russia and GOP gerrymandering who gave a whole lot of help doing that.

It sounds like this man truly believed Trump would help son and other addicts. Yes, he was snookered but he's since lost his child and learned that the person he erroneously trusted to help is not only full of shit but did the direct opposite of what he said he would. Losing a child is heartbreaking. IME there's nothing as 'take you down to your knees' painful as that. He could have shut himself up in his home and not said a damn thing but instead he's trying to help and let other Trump suckers know his experience and if we want to get the numbers where Republicans turn on Trump enough to impeach his traitorous ass, Trump is NOT given a second term and we take back the Houses than we need people like this man to try and reach those other Trump voters that can be.

I'm not asking anyone here to become his BFF. I just think we Democrats can afford to "go high" a bit on this man and other truly reformed Trumpers.

[LisaM]

125. I hear you, but actually, I think he'd already lost his son.

It was the fact that Trump wants to cut programs that would have helped other peoples' kids that woke him up. So he was misled, but it wasn't just personal interest that informed his change of heart.

[WePurrsevere]

134. Hmm... maybe I...

muddled my wording a bit. I knew his son had died and that the main reason he was speaking out was doing this to help others.

[LisaM]

135. Oh, it was. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

I just meant that he changed his mind for more than strictly personal reasons (I mean, it's obviously personal to him, but now it goes beyond his immediate family).

[WePurrsevere]

137. Ahh.. okay. Thank you for making that clear. :-) nt

[gopiscrap]

144. Fuck any trump voter or supporter

I don't give a rats ass shit about your pain..on a superficial level, you didn't give a shit until it personally affected you so tough shit. On a more serious level those who voted for trump committed treason and that's unforgivable for the damage you have done to this country may never be undone

[gopiscrap]

89. I can fully empathize with a Democrats pain fuck all repukes

[The Sand Reckoner]

194. There are many, many, MANY people

who deserve empathy more than he does. Like all of the people who will be fucked out of their health care because this motherfucker didn't give a shit about them.

[lapfog_1]

33. Other people, innocent people, are going to DIE

because of this idiots vote.

I'm sorry for his loss, but his remorse for being a sucker at this point does not move me.

[Dave Starsky]

44. Motherfucker should have been stupid on his own time.

If he had bought into a multimarketing scheme or bought a shitty used car from a shady dealer, I could feel sorry for him. But he chose to wrap a rope around ALL of our necks with his idiocy.

[gopiscrap]

143. thank you

[SammyWinstonJack]

53. +1000000!

[gopiscrap]

90. I agree wholeheartedly

[Orrex]

66. It is regrettable that he has suffered the very tangible consequences of his vote

One of the few benefits of surviving a horrific tragedy is that the survivor can often gain a strengthened sense of empathy in understanding (perhaps for the first time) the depth of the trauma that others experience.

Perhaps such an awakening of compassion will enable him to realize that others who have known suffering can help him to heal.

[Mz Pip]

126. I am sorry for his loss.

I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a child.

Still, he supported Trump until he was personally affected. That is so much a conservative mindset. If it doesn't affect them it just isn't a problem. This is what is wrong with conservatives in a nutshell.

[The Sand Reckoner]

190. His hateful, ignorant, bigoted voting choice

will impose that same loss on many, many other people. There is nothing unjust in him having to live in the same world he was determined to force everyone else to live in.

No sympathy. Zero.

[bdamomma]

15. tRump is and will always continue to be a BS artist.

They voted for a mean spirited narcissistic POS.

[wip7lg]

25. The pain is real...

My brother and I may not see eye to eye on many things, but he lost his son, and I lost my nephew. Did it occur to you that my brother has a sibling?

[yardwork]

47. I'm very sorry for your loss.

I would be devastated if I lost a child.

[beam me up scottie]

50. My condolences.

I am very sorry for your family's loss. I cannot imagine how difficult and painful this must be for all of you. My boyfriend's cousin committed suicide last year, his mother never recovered, she barely leaves the house.

[msanthrope]

67. Welcome to DU...very sorry for your loss. nt

[Heartstrings]

78. Welcome to du...so sorry. n/t

[gopiscrap]

96. Welcome to DU

[Tom Rinaldo]

138. I know it is, and the loss of someone so young is terrible

I am so sorry that it happened, and I know your brother believed he was working to prevent further losses when he supported Trump. We have fiercely opposed Trump for a long time here; because we never beloved him, and so we too have worked to prevent further losses. Hopefully your brother's painful realization now is in time to help preserve addiction and mental health funding from being cut now due to Trump. I hope your family finds some peace, and a purpose moving forward worthy of your profound grief.

[msanthrope]

64. Try some compassion. nt

[gopiscrap]

146. I have no compassion for treasonous republican motherfuckers

you made your bed, now lie in it!

[JHan]

3. Tragic :(

hope he finds peace.

The GOP is sick to the core.

[Squinch]

4. Why are these people not mortified to have to admit that fact? How stupid do you have

to have been to believe everything he said? There was never a time in the past when he told the truth, why would they believe him?

[drray23]

9. Thats what happen if you only watch fox news and other rw media.

[nolabear]

11. If we're smart we'll help them not be mortified to admit it.

It's hard to leave if there's nowhere to go. We can't fix anything they, or we, did in the past but we can form alliances that can unify us against this insanity in the future. I think that's wise now.

[gopiscrap]

26. fuck them, they made their bed, now let them lie in it

[yeoman6987]

60. Actually death is bipartisan

Saying fuck you to this guy who lost a child says that to a whole bunch of people from all walks of life who lost children from various ways. I can't say that to the guy at all.

[gopiscrap]

91. I can easily say t to a republican I never feel that way

towards a Democrat

[nolabear]

117. Exactly.

[JI7]

133. saying fuck you to the guy is what trump did

[nolabear]

116. But we'll all end up there.

[meadowlander]

29. I agree.

We need to create an environment where ex-Trump supporters are able to air their reasons for dropping Trump in front of other current Trump supporters to get them to cross over as well.

When we shut them down, by saying "fuck them" we lose that opportunity.

[gopiscrap]

118. If we rally properly the one's (Dems and Indies) that sat on their asses

in this election we don't need the trumpites. Why encourage dumb fuckers to infilitrate the Dem party, let them eat shit

[meadowlander]

127. We should be fighting on all fronts

both to encourage non-voting dems and indies to our side and to degrade morale on the republican side. We do that by giving their defectors a megaphone, which is not the same thing as letting them infiltrate the Democratic party.

What do we gain by attacking them other than the fleeting satisfaction of telling idiots that they are idiots?

[gopiscrap]

148. sometimes as in this case punishment needs to be there

voting for a traitor is treasonous and that means to me total shunning of the person, let them rot

[nolabear]

119. Right! They can be our best allies against this disaster continuing.

[gopiscrap]

149. we don't want those stupid fuckers, they're likely to pollute the Democratic party

and republicanize it. We can win if we get our base and indies off of their fucking asses and vote

[gopiscrap]

147. thank you, you have to be pretty fucking dumb to believe

anything that orange shit gibbon ever said or for that matter anyone in business ever said

[Thomas Hurt]

5. It is sad

when grief and fear blind you to the sociopath that stands before you, says what you want to hear and uses you without remorse.

That is how evil Donald Trump is.

[Baitball Blogger]

6. Well, you can't feel too sorry for the guy because Trump's promises were bad policies

that would have taken this country in the wrong direction. Just because he feels lied to by Trump doesn't mean he wants the same things we do.

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. I'm betting he doesn't want the same things we do.

[gopiscrap]

150. Exactly

[Ilsa]

7. Republicans DO NOT PROVIDE for anyone except rich cronies.

I'm sorry for this man's pain, but would-be politicians lie also, so the best way to evaulate them is to look at their record in whatever they were doing before.

[JenniferJuniper]

8. If "grab 'em in the pussy" didn't raise questions

for you, sorry, I've got no sympathy for your willful ignorance.

[Jonny Appleseed]

14. Yeah even if you're a misogynist that tape alone (and it received a lot of attention so i can't

believe he didn't see it), shows that he's just a bravado-filled douchebag and not Johnny America like Fox News made him out to be.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. I didn't know he was a Republican when I voted for him

derp

[gopiscrap]

151. Jesus fucking Christ, how stupid do you have to be?

[Warren DeMontague]

177. to vote Republican?

I wouldn't know. But it seems to me they pull the exact same shit every time they get the chance, so I don't know why anyone is surprised, either.

[RedWedge]

13. There's fertile ground, here.

I hope people watch for these moments in their own lives and greet them with grace and not contempt -- understanding, of course, that no one is required to meet their oppressors with grace. Personally, I'm impressed people are admitting their mistakes so quickly.

[YoungDemCA]

19. Nah, we'd prefer to sneer and roll our eyes at "deplorables" like this man.

Demostration below:

[gopiscrap]

152. fuck them, they need to be shunned and shamed, they are the problem

[RedWedge]

164. What problem?

If they're a problem to be solved, what does the solution look like?

Is that solution best gained through shunning and shaming?

[gopiscrap]

165. yes it is

we need to wake our base, we need to practice the politics of annihilation...that's why Dems lose, they go the high road all these years and get fucked by the repugs. Anyone who voted for the orange shit gibbon is a racist, misogynist, ignorant self centered traitor to their country

[RedWedge]

169. So you're saying our base is awakened by shunning and shaming?

When you say "they" go the high road, do you mean candidates or the rank and file?

You're kind of all over the place; I'm just trying to figure out where the tactic of shunning and shaming would work best, and what the outcome of shunning and shaming a large portion of the population is meant to be.

[gopiscrap]

172. I am saying we should not pollute the Dem party with disillusioned trump humpers

a) they're damaged goods, b) they're too stupid to think about the broader issues and how it effects anyone but their selfish selves. So yes shun them and yes shame them. One of the things that worked well after Hitler was out of power was the shaming of his disciples it tamped down having some one like that coming to power in Germany again...so hopefully it help here also

[RedWedge]

178. So you don't think people can change their minds at all?

That once someone has made a bad decision that tells you all you think they need to know, they're irredeemable? That if someone is, as you say "too stupid to think about broader issues," they deserve to be shunned and shamed?

[gopiscrap]

180. exactly fuck 'em

my they cease to exist and rot in hell...they committed treason for god's sake

[LakeArenal]

16. But mental health is the problem not guns.....

But we aren't going to fund that stuff either..

[milestogo]

17. You were conned - but you should have researched the candidates

instead of believing the hype.

[gopiscrap]

153. Exactly and it didn't take much research to find it out

[procon]

18. Sounds like a naive child.

How did he reach adulthood being that gullible and blindly trusting a politician? A politician from the Republican Party, a group of greedy sociopaths who have a long history of screwing over the common folk.

[Jake Stern]

20. If anybody is thinking of bolting from Trump and the dark side for our team

The comments here should put the kibosh on that idea quickly.

[MFM008]

21. They wouldn't be here.

.................

[JCanete]

39. No, probably not. I wonder how well we code-switch when we start to actually think of these voters

as deplorables...horrible or stupid people. My guess is we don't just get it all out here.

[JI7]

38. why ? they were ok with comments about Mexicans being rapists , killers, grab women by the pussy etc

[catbyte]

61. And I suspect he still is because he was only disappointed that what HE wanted isn't going to pass.

So, he's still an empathy-free bigot and I suspect he'd vote for him again.

[gopiscrap]

166. yup

[workinclasszero]

82. Yeah he didnt have any problems with that huh?

[BlueStater]

51. If they want to keep voting for loathsome con artists because of their petty hurt pride,

so be it.

[gopiscrap]

174. Yes fuck them, may they cease and rot in hell

[gopiscrap]

154. we don't want them

if you voted for trump you are so fucked up by selfishness, racism, xenophobia and misogyny that you're damaged goods and worthless politically

[pamela]

22. "I thought he was going to screw you, not me!"

That's basically what all these "Trump regrets" folks are saying. They knew he was proposing hateful things, they just didn't think it would effect them.

[Rorey]

42. + 1,000,000

Exactly!

[dalton99a]

65. They voted for him to punish the Muslims and colored folks.

[treestar]

70. +1

[Cosmocat]

80. WINNER

This ...

[Miles Archer]

95. I'd bet that his repertoire included at least one song about that "big, beautiful wall."

In my opinion, anyone who followed Trump across the country and attended that many "rallies" crossed the line from "supporter" to "stalker."

[hamsterjill]

109. I second the "Winner" proclamation for your post.

You said it exactly!

While I have some degree of sympathy for any parent who has lost a child, I am not quite so moved by this guy's admission that he NOW sees Trump as a liar. I believe it is as you indicate, that he has now become disenchanted with Trump only because Trump did something that was personal to him.

The guitar playing fool didn't care until it became something that affected him. To hell with everyone else.

And while many posts here are chiding DU'ers for not being sympathetic, I believe it is important that we remain committed to truth. This man willingly and enthusiastically voted for Trump after Trump showed the world what he (Trump) was. I'll not forget that part of the equation.

[pamela]

132. "Trump showed the world what he was..."

Exactly. As you said, that's the part of the equation I can't forget.

I know there are probably Trump voters out there who don't really follow politics, maybe they spent most of last year hiking the PCT and didn't really follow the Trump shitshow or they have ten kids running them ragged and get all their political info from their friends. I'm willing to cut them a bit of slack. But this guy knew exactly what Trump was proposing for "the others." He went to multiple rallies, heard him propose hateful things and said "that's my guy!"

And yes, I do feel sympathy for him. That's why I voted for someone who would help people like his son. He didn't. He voted for the party that has been cutting mental health and substance abuse funding for 50 years.

[gopiscrap]

155. yup exactly so FUCK ALL OF THEM

[kskiska]

23. Mayor Bloomberg had him pegged

"I'm a New Yorker and I know a con when I see one."

[Caliman73]

24. Personal experiences make it personal...I guess.

I cannot imagine, well I actually can, but can't bear to imagine the pain at losing a child. My 8 year old son had an MRI that showed a potentially life threatening brain malformation. For the few weeks before other testing showed us that the malformation had corrected itself, we were devastated thinking about the worst possibilities. So, I can imagine.

The difference that I see between liberals and conservatives like this gentleman is that I am okay with my tax dollars going to fund research and programs that will help people in situations that I may never experience for myself and my family. I don't have to have cancer or know someone with cancer to be okay with my tax dollars funding cancer research. If it saves a person that I don't know in a place I have never seen, then please take my tax dollars to make it possible. Same with healthcare, Social Security, Medicare, etc...

This is what I do not understand about many conservatives. Why does it have to hit you so hard and so personally for you to even consider that something needs to be done?

[Rorey]

43. And another great post!!!

Conservatives have the "Me, Me, Me" mindset.

[gopiscrap]

158. I have no problem with my tax dollars going to others either, in fact I encourage it

however for motherfuckers like this guy who doesn't give a shit about others or the good of his country fuck him. That still doesn't mean that I wouldn't vote funding for his son in a heart beat.

[Caliman73]

182. I understand the anger

It is difficult to be compassionate to people you see as actively working against things that are of core importance. Your frustration is certainly valid.

The thing that ultimately perplexes me is that these guys with their narrow focus and quickness to deem people as "other" and thus not show any care or compassion, is that they see themselves as compassionate Christians and patriots. It is really bizarre to me that your view of who is legitimate to care about would end at your family or immediate friends.

[gopiscrap]

183. Uh I would vote for ANYONE to be funded fully for food, medical care, education etc

As far as sympathy for this fuck, no way he helped cause this shit, so fuck him

[Buns_of_Fire]

30. These are the people who will be the most anti-Rump of all.

Like jilted lovers, they will not forgive, and they will not forget.

[dchill]

31. Let me ask you this, Kraig...

Were his lips moving? 'Cause I've heard there are folks out there who'll lie when the truth sounds better. I think you might call them Republicans.

[gopiscrap]

159. Exactly

[BainsBane]

32. I feel badly for him

Yes, he should have known Trump was a liar, but he didn't. He believed him. And his situation is very sad.

[Caliman73]

101. Yes it is sad and yes I feel sympathy for the family.

My concern as I stated in my response to the original post, is the pattern that I see in many conservative people, which is the seeming inability to feel and understand the problems of people beyond themselves and their immediate family. As I said in my response, I don't have to personally know the people who are suffering to want to help. Of course when it is closest to home it has a stronger impact, but knowing that my tax money is going to fund food stamps for someone in Iowa or that some tax money helps an artist in Chicago get her work into a gallery, or train people to work in Florida, that is enough for me.

I am glad to know that those services may be in place for a time where I might need them but U hope I never do and I want people who need them to have access to them because it just makes for a better society. That is what troubles me about many conservatives, which allows them to be conned by people like Trump and Ryan, and McConnell, and others who use their words and power to weaken and destroy the social contract in favor of personal gain.

[OnDoutside]

34. This article doesn't explain why he would have looked

To Trump and the Republicans for better healthcare ? Could his son not get on a Medicaid drug treatment program in the first place ?

[Cha]

36. Only that he believed every word trump said.. so we know

trump Lied about Obamacare.

But, that's a good question, OnDoutside.. It doesn't say which state he lives in.. maybe it's one without those services?

[OnDoutside]

37. That might be it alright, and then the Republicans locally

Would have blamed Obama....makes sense.

I don't know if it is happening in red states, but there should be wall to wall ads explaining what the Republicans under Trump plan to do to healthcare....nice hard hitting one liners that they will understand.

[Cha]

40. YES, on the hard hitting easy to understand Ads!

[Cha]

35. Yes.. so many are finding out Too Damn Late that trump is a Big

Fat Liar.. who sits on his solid gold throne tweeting & spewing Lies only taking time out to throw ego rallies and take long vacations on the weekends at his vacation home.

I'm glad Kraig has seen the light and sorry about his son.. please help us in the future, to unseat the fascist.

[dalton99a]

55. +1

[gopiscrap]

160. I still say fuck any trump voter may they all rot in hell

[Cha]

189. to each his/her own.. I say.. Vote DEM next time, dude

[Trust Buster]

45. Yeah, you believed everything the asshole said as long as you thought that Chump was screwing

the "other" guy and NOT your punk ass !!! That is precisely why this guy is a punk ass. F-Off pal.

[JI7]

46. This is a bit harsh, but it is true that many thought he would just go after the black/brown people

and they were just ok with that.

[gopiscrap]

161. Not harsh at all, it's the truth

[gopiscrap]

162. well said

[Starry Messenger]

48. It's sad about his son.

What was it about Hillary's plan to deal with the opiate crisis that didn't persuade him?

[boston bean]

57. Did not bother to listen, find out.

[JI7]

58. she was a woman. supported increase in refugees gun control

Lgbt rights etc.

[hatrack]

72. TL/DR - that's why . . .

Too much work, too much reading and effort.

Not sound-bitey enough. "MAGA" - yeah, that's the ticket.

[democratisphere]

52. Can't feel a bit sorry for Kraig Moss as there was an abundance of evidence

as to who and what drumpf, his family and administration were going to be all about. If that evidence wasn't bad enough it actually has become far worse than anyone could have ever imagined. Moss is all about himself and his family and if the horrid thing that happened to his son Robert wasn't enough to wake him up about being only self-serving, I don't know what will. Moss is just one of millions that will flip on drumpf as they realize they have been lied to and will be affected in horrible and horrendous ways. republiCONs never care about anything or anyone past the end of their driveway.

[catbyte]

56. And here's yet another empathy-free Trumpite who didn't care what hateful shit Dolt 45*

spewed because none of it was directed at him. And now he's all shocked and surprised to discover he's been used and abused. Boo fucking hoo. This clown was a "Christian recording artist" who followed Dolt 45* around like he was the Grateful Dead & performed & sold his CD's at that Orange Horror's Nuremberg-Lite Hatefests.

His son died in 2009, before Obamacare. He said that his son wouldn't have died if they'd had health insurance & he was supporting a con man who vowed to destroy the ACA & then promised rainbows & unicorns with no specifics.

Thanks to his dumbass support, millions--including me--are in danger of losing insurance. Well, fuck you, Mr. Moss.

[Vinca]

75. The article says the son died in 2014. He could have been on dad's policy or he could have

purchased ACA coverage. Mostly likely they were Obama haters who refused to participate in Obamacare.

[gopiscrap]

168. exactly

[malaise]

62. Anyone who believed a promise from the Con of Cons

is an idiot

[Vinca]

71. Rob was 24. If the father believes he would be alive if he had been covered by health insurance,

why wasn't he on the father's policy?????? I suspect this man and his son hated the ACA because it was associated with Obama and refused to participate. I'm surprised he woke up and realized Trump was lying to him.

[JI7]

73. Read some old articles on him and he supported Trump over border security issue and keeping drugs

out.

It's actually more sad reading all that since you see Trump was using him but he didn't know.

[gopiscrap]

170. dumb fucker should have known

[HAB911]

74. those of us who empathize, but who do not sympathize

fuck him

[gopiscrap]

176. thank you

[samnsara]

76. this made me so sad. That POOR man...so many things taken from him.

[Mr. Ected]

77. Like all Trump voters, he made a BAD, BAD decision

But after decades of hate radio and hate television demonizing Hillary, and Trump claiming to be the anti-politician, some of these rubes bought into him hook, line and sinker (hookers, lies and stinkers?)

I forgive this man for his vote, but at the same time hold every Trump supporter responsible for his acts of treason and treachery against the United States. Basic curiosity and honest evaluations should have led Americans far, far away from a vote for Trump.

[vi5]

79. I'm skeptical of all of these stories....

I mean I have no doubt that their regret and pain is sincere. And I hope they harness this anger and make moves in the right direction and I will help them any way they can if they are truly willing to work with those that they previously opposed.

But the fact is that if someone was gullible enough to fall for Trump in the first place, then I'm fairly confident that come election time (either for president or any other position) that they'll just end up falling for some other type of bullshit coming from the Republican candidates and against the Democratic candidates.

So...yeah, this is good to hear (the change of heart, not the son's death), and I welcome them with open arms. But until I hear that they are full committed to getting the Republicans out of office and actively working with us, I'm not going to hold my breath that any of them are going to be smarter or more informed or less gullible next time around.

[workinclasszero]

81. He actually believed a ***kin republican was going to have compassion

for the non rich?!

He actually thought that Dump would take his side over big insurance companies?

What a ****ing moron! And his stupidity will now hurt and destroy me and my loved ones!

[Demsrule86]

85. Dear God I feel bad for this guy.

I live in Ohio and was able to put my daughter on my hubs work insurance thanks to the ACA...she is in college. She became terribly depressed...It had gone on a while...one day a friend of hers directed us to a social media page...she had a plan to end her life. She was hospitalized...this was a year and half ago...they only spend about a week in the hospital...then we had to find a doctor. Most psychiatrist hand out a pills and say see you in a month. It is common now to treat depression with a schizophrenia drug called abilify (which cost over $1000. the first month/went down to about 300 after two months and this was the generic version)...they mix it with another anti-depressant. But my daughter had a terrible reaction. She would not talk to this doctor for fear of being sent back to the hospital. Since we have no mental health infrastructure these days, the hospital was an awful place. She was seeing a psychologist as well. There were many dark days. We knew she needed a new psychiatrist but most would not take her...considered her high maintenance...they want to hand out pills once a month and that is it in many cases. We found a new psychiatrist -the old fashioned kind -who saw her multiple times a week.She was still seeing the psychologist once a week...The new psychiatrist put her on zoloft and ADHD meds...an anti anxiety pill to help with the dark days...and little by little the girl I raised returned. I didn't think I would ever see her again...tears fill my eyes as I write this because I can not imagine what would have happened if we had no insurance. And many don't have insurance. She was on our insurance thanks to Obamacare...we had work insurance...yeah we have a 5000 mental health deduction but we met it during the hospital stay and all the additional visits with the new doctor which cost $70.00 for self pay and about $180.00 if you used insurance were covered completely. For the first six months she was seeing the doctor three times a week and the psychologist once a week. The doctors conferred on my daughter and developed a treatment plan.We had the resources to deal with the deductibles and copay's...It cost a great deal of money, and my heart breaks for people like the man in this story who had no resources to deal with his son's illness because his state did not expand Medicare. My daughter would not be alive today without the ACA and that is the truth.

[SunSeeker]

86. He sold all his work equipment to go touring with Trump. Now he has nothing.

Last year, Kraig Moss sold the equipment for his construction business in upstate New York and stopped making mortgage payments so he could follow Donald Trump on the campaign trail.

"I did a lot to promote his candidacy," he said. "Now, I wish I had never sold my equipment."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/health/opioid-trump-supporter-medicaid-health-care-reform/index.html

[WinkyDink]

93. Did he chant "Lock her up! Lock her up!"?

[SunSeeker]

104. Probably. Maybe now he'll chant, "Lock him up!"

[gopiscrap]

179. what a fucking idiot

[SunSeeker]

186. Same thing happens when people enter a cult. nt

[WinkyDink]

92. "Animal House" needs to be required viewing for Americans:

[RedSpartan]

99. No Sympathy For The Hillbilly

http://thisamericancarnageblog.com/no-sympathy-for-the-hillbilly/

[amuse bouche]

102. He attended 45 rallies?

Sounds like cult worship. I can't imagine it. You couldn't pay me enough to sit through that much garbage.

[CountAllVotes]

108. He loved every minute of it

Until reality hit him in the face! Stupid idiot!

[Afromania]

110. Whatever

Only thing they have to answer for me is this. Why did you believe a man who has a dedicated, recorded and easily searchable history of being a scum bag vs a woman who has only been ACCUSED of things that always seem to end up being proven false.

I'm past railing on this people but I do demand they explain to us what the fuck they thought was going to happen. Their man has no platform to stand on or believe in at all, AT FUCKING ALL. It was ok when they were going to be doing it to them but now that it's happening to me............

Whatever dude. I fully expect you to run back to the Republican cause the second this shit show gets fixed. They all will, that's how we got here. That's how we ALWAYS get here. They muck things up and person with a D behind their name fixes things up just enough that they can cry about it not happening fast enough. Welp, we're going to hell in a handcart faster than any Republican fever dream.

[gopiscrap]

181. yup

[LOL Lib]

129. I feel this guys pain and send him positive thoughts.

He was blind, duped by a conman. Better late than never.

Fuck you grifter Trump. I hope you suffer a lonely and miserable death for preying on people in pain just to get their vote.

[radhika]

130. Dont' wish this on anyone ... but he wished this on OTHERS

I'm sorry, I just can't embrace his conversion.

This man wasn't just a Trump supporter, he was an old-age fan man. He knew his guy would dump Obamacare, he knew that his guy would clamp down on the safety net, advocate bigotry and exclusions of many based on religion and nationality. Fer crissakes, his guy was endorsed by the effing KKK!

But now, when something really sad has come to HIS doorstep, HIS family - all of a sudden he gets enlightened. Too late. Many families are going to suffer like yours, and they didn't choose that fate. Like you did.

Not ready to to make nice.

[gopiscrap]

163. Exactly...my attitude is please republicans just die and make this worl a better place

[rivegauche]

140. Sorry. IDGAF.

I'm not having any sympathy whatsoever for a grown human being with a functioning brain who "believed every word" that Chump spewed, despite massive evidence that he is full of shit and always has been. Too fucking bad he's all sad and poopy now. I'm too far gone in rage and disgust to ever pity any of those people ever again.

[gopiscrap]

156. Exactly!!!!

[Thrill]

145. Oh please. You knew he was full of shit

[Warpy]

157. One at a time, they're waking up

as they realize what the repeal of the ACA is going to cost them and their families.

[tblue37]

167. No savvy voter believes everything ANY politician says! nt

[Demobrat]

184. He wanted help for people like his son

and he didn't care who got hurt as long as he got it. He didn't care if people who were brought here as children were rounded up and deported. He didn't care if gay rights were set back 100 years. He didn't care if sexual assault was normalized.

That was all fine as long as he got what he wanted. Just sayin'

[NNadir]

195. Too little, too late. The asshole helped saddle the rest of us with this traitor. n/t

[Lotusflower70]

201. Wow just wow

That is absolutely heartbreaking. I am so sorry for his loss. I am amazed that he went to that many rallies. Seriously that is a huge shift. Regret sucks but maybe he can do something with it. Maybe he can channel it to helping others see the light.