Rachel Maddow is covering russian interference in primary, use of

[Ilsa]

Bots on social media to spread lies, fake news, and pit bernie people against hillary people. Hired programmers with servers traced to Albania and Macedonia.

Covering fbi's looking at brietbart, infowars.

[drray23]

1. The magnitude of it is staggering.nt.

[elleng]

2. UTTERLY staggering.

[Ilsa]

3. It's another form of warfare.

They created a mini-civil war vetween bernie vs hrc supporters. Made money off it too.

This stuff is coming into focus.

[Leith]

40. That Civil War Is Still Going on

There are a few posters here who still rail against anyone who says anything good about Sanders. Yeah, I supported him. I caucused for him. Big fuckin' deal. I voted for Clinton in November even though her people treated Sanders supporters like shit in Nevada (nobody threw a fucking chair! and Boxer didn't need to be provocative).

It's time for everyone to get over it. Quit letting them divide us.

I still like Bernie and what he has to say. Hillary Clinton would have been the best president of the post WW II era. We all know both these things are true. Don't let the bastards win our minds.

[Whiskeytide]

42. I'm not so sure that...

... Swarm isn't a bot infection itself. The posts are often exact or nearly exact duplicates of themselves.

Just saying.

[tblue37]

67. +1. nt

[Jakes Progress]

44. And the Bernie people bought it.

And still won't admit that they have been had. Spoke to a guy tonight, big Bernie supporter - still believes the russian shit that he got during the primaries. Swears that Hillary is a corporate shill and murderer. How can we blame the dumb shits who believe trump if our side had so many who won't see it?

[Rhiannon12866]

55. I doubt that the majority of them did

All of the Bernie supporters I know enthusiastically voted for Hillary. There wasn't much daylight about our two candidates compared to the vast dark abyss that is Trump.

[yallerdawg]

76. Unless. of course, you're from...

Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

Where the "Bernie supporters" did not vote for Hillary.

[Jakes Progress]

81. Agree on the abyss.

But you run with a lot smarter Bernie supporters than I encounter. Even on DU, we still hear that crap.

[rainin]

77. I didn't buy it

I supported Bernie and then I enthusiastically supported Hillary. I have been offended (and continue to be offended) by the hostility toward Bernie and his supporters. If our party is going to grow, we can't be hostile to people who want to join the democratic party, particularly those who came straight over (from Bernie to Hillary).

I sympathize with being mad at that guy who still believes the propaganda, but don't group us together.

I admit, it's harder to understand a recently converted Trump supporter. You wonder what finally moved them.

[Jakes Progress]

82. I'm not hostile to people who want to join the Democratic party.

It's those that want to pull Democratic votes away. I'm sorry you continue to be offended, but I think you are identifying with the wrong group. It's not people who supported Bernie and then saw that he was going to lose and then supported Hillary. It's the people who supported Bernie and bashed Hillary all the way up to the convention and then on into the general. Those are the people that offend me.

I too began by supporting Bernie's campaign and ideas. I stopped doing that when it became obvious that he was not going to win and that he had no intention of becoming a Democrat or letting go. There are a lot of small things that led to a trump presidency, but one of those was his self-aggrandizing need to ignore the principles he began by espousing and hold onto the grudge. He really liked being liked.

[Horse with no Name]

29. Blitzkrieg. N/t

[Sobergirl3393]

84. Sobergirl3393

Yes the magnitude of this is staggering.....however more staggering is the number of republicans selling out the American people because they dont have the balls to stand up to,that asshole and his family....wow just unbelieveable.

[Kingofalldems]

4. I bet they were here too.

[elleng]

10. May have been.

While I didn't follow the 'big 2' closely most of the time, being an O'Malley supporter, it seemed to me there was an undue amount of antagonism between hrc and Senator Sanders supporters here.

[mopinko]

22. and some ridiculously determined trolls.

there are more than a couple of the zombies that are most probably bots.
someone was very clearly pushing buttons.

and then there was the hack....

[elleng]

27. YES,

YES,
YES, mop!

[stevebreeze]

35. Are you refering to the DU hack?

[mopinko]

38. yup. will believe till i die that it was the russian trolls.

[Hortensis]

79. Not that strong a belief, we have plenty of native

anti-Democrat agents, but plotted and executed to interfere in the election, yes.

[George II]

73. And what was interesting is that once the nomination was wrapped up many of the

....antagonists fled to other sites.

[NurseJackie]

75. That's a pretty strong clue with regard to motivation and intent.

[jumptheshadow]

15. +1 (nt)

[Agschmid]

21. Yup.

[LaydeeBug]

5. Because this happened downballot too!! They rigged the fucking election. nt

[triron]

51. You are so right on that one.

News media still wants to ignore it since it totally delegitimizes the election (up and down ballot).
Heads stuck in the sand (or up their butts).

[Sobergirl3393]

54. Sobergirl3393

AMEN.....WHY CAN'T ANYBODY SEE. WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THIS COUNTRY. I KNOW THE "Big Guy" isn't going to tollerate this crap much longer!

[DesertRat]

69. Welcome to DU

Who do you mean by the "Big Guy"?

[Sobergirl3393]

83. Sobergirl3393

GOD😊

[gopiscrap]

70. welcome to DU

[drray23]

6. Wonder if they ended up generating jpr.

Or at least influence enough gullible "liberals" to turn on hillary and go start jpr.

[Ilsa]

11. I have suspected since last fall that

JPR wasn't just disgruntled duers. No evidence, just a feeling after hearing that dnc and state registration systems were getting hacked.

[fun n serious]

17. I see a lot of anti NATO stuff there so...

Yeah.. it's likely.

[uponit7771]

61. +1

[Ilsa]

7. Gerasimov Doctrine calls for nonmilitary,

Information warfare.
"Information Operations on the Battlefield" Mikitary Thouggt Vol 23 number 3 (2014)

[GliderGuider]

58. +1+That. All that. nt

[SharonAnn]

8. It explains how some of my Bernie friends continued to be passionate about him

and grew to hate Hillary more and more during the election season. They were all active on the Bernie sites and Bernie twitters and kept telling me there was all this "information" out there about how Bernie got screwed and how Hillary was evil, etc.

[C_U_L8R]

9. And... ongoing Russian interference.

It hasn't stopped.

[drray23]

12. Yes. Thay stuff is traceable.

We really need some white hat hackers to band together and strike back, hunt all those bots and sites and go after them. We are supposed to have a cyber warfare unit at the dod. Apparently they have not struck back forcefully yet.

[SticksnStones]

71. That we know of...

Who knows what goes on covertly at the DOD

[uponit7771]

62. +1

[oasis]

13. Bogus info about Hillary on social media, compliments of Putin.

We've seen, first hand, the effects of that Russian attack on our electoral process.

[Ilsa]

14. This is INTERNATIONAL WARFARE, not POLITICS, Rachel just said. nt

[kahnmann]

16. Election night?

Watching this makes me think about what happened to DU on election night. All of our voices and comments were silenced while the website was down. Hmmm.

[Ilsa]

26. Did Skinner, et al finally determine who

Did it? Did they say who?

[Ilsa]

18. Putin had a lawyer for anti-putin family tossed off a building.

4 floors. Still alive, bad head injuries.

[KewlKat]

36. he was moving a jacuzzi doncha know.........that's what the ru$$ian media said

[Ilsa]

37. Now the other thread says he was the witness in

Former Atty Gen. Bharara's case against russian money laundering.

How convenient.

[democrank]

19. Watching.....quite unnerving

What excellent researchers she has.

[Ccarmona]

20. While This Scares the Shit

Out of me, anyone think the Right feels the same?
Where's their outrage, their leadership, their patriotism?

[Ilsa]

24. That's a good question. They think the ends justifies the means because

"Hillary is so evil" (I've actually heard this), but they won't stop to consider they were fooled and hoodwinked by hackers and bots lying to them and spreading fake stories. They need to open their minds.

[uponit7771]

63. no

[Talk Is Cheap]

23. "..pit bernie people against hillary people...'

No, rather, Sanders supporters wanted Sanders to win because Sanders
offered more Democratic solutions...

Maybe it was the other way around: they wanted to pit clinton people against Sanders people.

[R B Garr]

49. Good grief. What a perfect example of Rachel's report

right here.

[SticksnStones]

72. Word.

[JHan]

74. lol

[GliderGuider]

59. In a two-horse race, rooting for either one to win

automatically implies rooting for the other to lose. This was explained clearly during the intel hearing yesterday.

Whether you frame it from the point of view of Sanders or Clinton makes no difference. The two sides were in opposition, and the goal of the brainwashing was to increase the animosity between them.

[uponit7771]

64. ummmm, no

[Ilsa]

25. I lost power, now directv is rebooting.

I'm going to have to rcord the later showing now.

[Hekate]

28. Stunning. Hillary was nasty-trolled all over, but Bernie was trolled too only differently

Like the website still up claiming to be in Vermont, Bernie Lovers or something. It's actually in Albania and Macedonia.

I feel sick. How many were here? How many supposed Bros and BoBs?

How can we take care of our site?

[Ilsa]

34. I wonder if Skinner, Earl G, et al can

write a program to check on those posters. They might have been here even in late 2015, I would think. I wonder who is still here and where their IP addresses are, if that's part of the research.

[KewlKat]

30. ok, the ru$$ians have been working on this for years and I feel we are way far behind

The next wars will be cyber. How the hell can we defend against this?

[Takket]

33. i had an idea.......

it would be great if each IP you post from on the internet listed a "country of origin" with your tweet of facebook post. that's all. don't need to compromise anyone's identity. But at least when a see America4Ever with the flag and eagle avatar on tweet talking about "making america great again" and it says the tweet originated in Kazakhstan, I'll know its another bot or troll.

problem is with the support of Russian intelligence, i'm sure all those IP address can be fakes to look like they are American. But its just a thought of somewhere to start.

As it is now I just ignore all those accounts on twitter because i know most of them are Russian paid trolls just there to work for drumpf.

[drray23]

65. Would not help a lot

When i post from a public computer i often run from a usb stick with tails on it and tor browser. My ip may appear to be in france, australia, etc.. anywhere really.

I suspect that most of these people do the same.

[elmac]

31. and the FBI knew about this in july

and didn't say a thing while they were lambasting Hill.

[triron]

52. for bogus email shit.

[GliderGuider]

60. They couldn't say a thing because this involved national security.

Hillary's emails didn't. So no matter what the real reason was for Comey's letter, they were more free to talk about the emails. They couldn't say a word about this because it was all tied up with the Russian assault on America.

[longship]

32. Let's just make sure that we stick together.

I voted for Bernie in the MI primary, and Hillary in the general. Both votes were easy for me.

Some may disagree with my decision, but I have no complaint with those folks.

United we stand... etc.

[JimGinPA]

41. Same Here...

But I might have voted for O'Malley if he hadn't dropped out before the PA primary.

[woodsprite]

47. Same here! I still stand by the slogan "Stronger together"! n/t

[Marcuse]

80. Even as I voted for Bernie in the NY primary

I expected to be voting for Hillary in November. I knew she had as big an advantage in the DNC as she did in 2008. None of the Wikileaks had an effect on me.

[DeminPennswoods]

39. She's doing outstanding work

Her show has been excellent, but she would do herself and her viewers an enormous favor by getting a good editor to tighten up her writing.

[brettdale]

43. How did the Homeland writers know this??????

This is exactly what happened on homeland!!!! (well no trace to russia, but its what they did)

[Ilsa]

56. You mean the secret hacker farm that was just

Revealed this week? Prescient, isn't it? And very scary how they are using this type of warfare to influence public opinion.

[HurricaneWarning]

45. If the Russians boasted of having the equivalent of a nuclear bomb

why we shouldn't we believe that they hacked the election results? I went to bed thinking that when I woke up the suspense would be over. It was over but not in the way anyone thought possible.

[tanyev]

46. I like to peruse the pro-Trump groups that Facebook thinks I might be interested in.

I'd say the majority of the posts and shares are done by people from foreign countries. Macedonia shows up in a lot of profiles. What's strange is how Joe and Jane MAGA, who definitely approve of America First, chime right in with approving comments and never ask why all these people with obviously foreign names are so enamored of Trump.

[applegrove]

48. Did she mention the DU? Hillary and Bernie supporters were fooled

into hating each other.

[Ilsa]

57. I missed part of the show due to power outage, but

I didn't hear her get specific about DU. But I have no doubt DU was targeted due to its size and exposure.

[BainsBane]

78. No

[triron]

50. News is that even some RW news org. may

have coordinated with Russians to hand the election to Trump.

[triron]

53. kick for visibility

[Gothmog]

66. Russia's info-war doctrine: it's not just for war time

Link to tweet

[Renew Deal]

68. Here is the full story

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/russian-info-war-tactics-in-us-election-continue-903442499654