FBI has FISA warrant for Trump secret server connected to Russia.

[L. Coyote]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512604434

Time to reflect back on who reacted how to this news, posted on DU just a few hours before the hackers took down DU.

[malaise]

1. Freaking wow!

Makes sense now

[L. Coyote]

3. Indeed. Election morning, bright and early.

No way were they going to allow Trump's theft to be soiled. Note the view count on that page!!! it was starting to go viral.

[malaise]

4. I've been watching view counts

for some time - some serious shit was and is going on

[SummerSnow]

8. EXACTLY!!!!

[lpbk2713]

2. The other shoe is starting to fall.

Trump will look good in an orange jump suit.

[KPN]

5. I wanna see horizontal stripes!

and what his hair looks like without access to a spendy hair magician.

[Moostache]

14. Lex Luthor?

[barbtries]

17. and bald.

no make up. no mussolini. he actually deserves it, too.

[murielm99]

19. They shave traitors' heads, too. n/t

[barbtries]

30. even in 2017?

the vision puts a smile on my face.

[murielm99]

32. It is a tradition.

Why fight tradition?

I know it was done more to women to humiliate them, but it would work with trump. He is so proud of that mess on his head.

[barbtries]

33. yeah.

[yodermon]

6. very interesting. Thanks. n/t

[furtheradu]

7. KICK!

Spread the Word, Y'all

[JustAnotherGen]

9. Thanks

Bookmarked the thread at the link.

[L. Coyote]

10. THIS is the kind of headline that should be splashed across every news outlet

Link to tweet

[Pachamama]

11. I have been reflecting on this since you posted the discussion & the hack on DU on election night

There are many of us who have suspected this possible link and the deliberate hacking attack on DU and who did it and why...I still believe eventually DU administrators will have the answer and be able to share...

[L. Coyote]

12. I suspect there is an investigation still in progress. Anyway, oddly we haven't heard much

about what went down technically and how it happened. Can anyone link a thread where Admins discuss this?

It is suspicious that the site was taken down just as the #TrumpRussia thread was about to explode on the web. It was really spreading .....

[Orrex]

13. Holy shit--how did I not see that original thread?!?

Edited to add: And some of those posts date all the way back to 1969!

[L. Coyote]

15. Because hackers took down the entire domain! Otherwise, the whole country might have seen it.

[Orrex]

28. Oh, yeah. Dammit.

Still, great post.

[Amaryllis]

23. NOt following; what posts go back to 1969? Where are you seeing that?

[Orrex]

27. At the very bottom of the thread

They're an artifact of the hack, alas. You can't click on any posts from that date--you can only see the "dates."

[barbtries]

16. was it vanity fair? Slate, Mother Jones, DU itself?

I would swear that i read about this server during the campaign, not while the election was going on. but i can't source the information.

at any rate, speaking of the hack of DU (which left me bereft alone in Philly in a hotel room while the sky was falling - i was frantic and distraught and all alone!): has anyone been identified, arrested, prosecuted?

i would bet that the FISA warrant has been around for quite awhile.

[Fast Walker 52]

25. yes, David Corn (Mother Jones) reported on it like a week before the election

I'm not sure why Mensch's piece got so much more attention.

[barbtries]

31. thank you!

obviously the story never got the kind of traction it should have. the trump show was just so engrossing i guess.

[GliderGuider]

45. Corn never mentioned a FISA warrant in his Oct. 31 piece.

That was Louise's scoop, which she published on Nov. 7. If you can find an article talking about a FISA warrant in this case before Nov. 7, I'd like to know!

[Fast Walker 52]

50. OK, I looked back at the article. It doesn't mention surveillance of Trump tower.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump

This article mentions funny business with the server at Trump tower, which is what I was thinking of, but doesn't mention a warrant either.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

[ffr]

18. DU should build a backup site on another platform for just such emergencies

Post a link or just redirect to the new site to keep the information flowing.

These turn-coat cronies need to go to jail. And I'd like to have their dunce shouting 'lock her up' cronies dumped in a stupid pit as well. There should be penalties for repeating stupidity.

[Generic Brad]

54. Or DU could build a massive firewall and ask another web site to pay for it

IT WOULD BE BIGLY HUGE!!!!

[keepthemhonestO]

20. I wondered

if there was some big thing they were keeping away by hacking us at a crucial time.

[murielm99]

21. It was good to revisit that thread.

The responses were about what I would expect from some of those posters.

Let's hope this goes somewhere. Thanks for posting.

[NCTraveler]

22. Well done and well played.

"How many business hours" until I realize I was simply acting a clown.

[JPZenger]

24. I wish someone would do some research on the Russian trolls and bots

I wish someone had some time to research some of the Russian trolls and automated bots on social media. If you find an usual combination of words, you can often trace an individual to numerous account names across various platforms.

Some Breitbart associates seem to keep a stable of facebook profiles that they bring out on special occasions.

The Ruskies also use some automated bots to post comments in many online conversations when a controversy arises.

[L. Coyote]

35. Classic case: Man with "Republicans Against Trump" sign beaten at Trump rally, Trump incited fight

Trump incites a beating, watches it silently, aides rush him off stage, story becomes assassination attempt, victim held away from press in a bathroom for hours. Meanwhile, the bot army was so active on Twitter it was near impossible to get to the real story until the media had moved on to the next clever distraction.

Man with "Republicans Against Trump" sign beaten at Trump rally, Trump incited fight

This screen capture illustrates how the fake people have half faces, weird names, and are all tweeted by a computer--they all forget to attach the same link (image below). Their purpose was to push the hashtag #Reno to the top and to move a specific news story to the top. As you can see, it matters not if they are evidently fake, the Twitter algorithm doesn't know the difference. It was amazing how many came out to obfuscate the story of trump causing the beating. His being rushed off the stage was even alikely staged action to divert attention from what was really the story, the guy getting beaten, kicked, and his nuts grabbed while on the floor as Trump watched in silence after saying, "Get him out of here.".



Trump's inner circle even started the assassination fake news. It was a well-coordinated action that happened very quickly, illustrating how much narrative control they had by interjecting lies and bullshit to keep us from the truth..

[L. Coyote]

39. It wasn't Secret Service rushing trump off stage. Recognize this guy?

[furtheradu]

26. KICK! Again!

[tiptonic]

29. Commie/Comey

I hope, Comey goes to the same jail, as the rest of them

[Dr Hobbitstein]

34. Wow, first posted in November,

still no corroboration.

Louise Mensch is a RW hack.

[L. Coyote]

36. Obviously, you are not listening to the hearing today.

I have to agree with Kellyanne today:

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Dr Hobbitstein]

40. I was listening.

They mentioned no FISA warrant. They are investigating 45's administration's ties to Russia, however.

[L. Coyote]

42. I'm still watching. The DNC hack details are now being discussed.

And, if you listened you know why the FISA warrant isn't going to be mentioned.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

43. Well, the only person who has mentioned the FISA warrant

happens to be a useless RW hack from Britain, who founded a news outlet that is owned by Murdoch's News Corp.

I believe Trump colluded with Russia, based on the information I have seen.
I do not believe Louise Mensch's claims, based on the information I have seen.

She was a liar before she was anti-Trump. I'm betting she's still a liar.

[L. Coyote]

46. Pay closer attention, instead of creating fake facts, disinformation, and character assassination

Pay attention to what is happening in real time instead of listening to your own prejudices.
Remember, it was the Republicans who got Nixon to go home and quit fucking us all over.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

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[MedusaX]

51. FISA

From today's hearing:

SCHIFF: Mr. Trump also asserted in the tweet that the application was turned down by a court. Was there any request made by the FBI or the Justice Department to wiretap Donald Trump turned down by a court?

COMEY: That is one of the subjects that I can’t comment on one way or another, and please don't interpret that, but I cannot respond to anything that relates to the FISA process in an open setting.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-read-what-comey-said-today

[L. Coyote]

52. Exactly. Plus, the server wasn't in Trump Tower, it was in another state.

So, when you parse any denials about "Trump Tower" remember they do not deny the server or the warrant.

[pnwmom]

37. The Guardian and the BBC corroborated. Have you been napping? n/t

[Dr Hobbitstein]

41. I only see links to Heat St.

Haven't seen the Guardian or BBC corroborate her claims of a FISA warrant.

Keeping in mind, if there WAS a FISA warrant, then Trump would be correct in his claims that the Obama administration tapped Trump Tower.

[GliderGuider]

48. Check my post right below this. I give the BBC link. nt

[L. Coyote]

49. There is more to this than what you see. Do some research and find something interesting for us

instead of saying there is nothing to see.

I guess this applies to some people here also:

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[GliderGuider]

47. They can't officially confirm a FISA warrant in an ongoing investigation

So, they haven't. But it has been leaked. The BBC has confirmed that.

Here's the Beeb:

Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here?

Last April, the CIA director was shown intelligence that worried him. It was - allegedly - a tape recording of a conversation about money from the Kremlin going into the US presidential campaign.

It was passed to the US by an intelligence agency of one of the Baltic States. The CIA cannot act domestically against American citizens so a joint counter-intelligence taskforce was created.

The taskforce included six agencies or departments of government. Dealing with the domestic, US, side of the inquiry, were the FBI, the Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Justice. For the foreign and intelligence aspects of the investigation, there were another three agencies: the CIA, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Security Agency, responsible for electronic spying.

Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.

And from the Guardian:

Why James Clapper's Trump comments may not conflict with reports of secret court order

The News Corp-owned Heat Street news site and later the BBC published reports in November and January respectively that a secret surveillance order had been issued by a special court allowing the justice department to investigate two Russian banks suspected of being part of the Kremlin’s efforts to hurt Hillary Clinton’s campaign and aid Trump’s.

The BBC said the justice department request had originally been based on a tip-off from an intelligence agency in one of the Baltic states, saying that the banks were being used to channel Kremlin money into the US presidential campaign.

Both reports said the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa) court gave permission in mid-October for monitoring of the activities of the two banks that also covered Trump associates.

Louise reported it on Nov. 7, 2016. The BBC followed on Jan. 27, 2017.

[pnwmom]

38. Have you read her blog, Patribotics? She has some interesting work there. n/t

[L. Coyote]

44. I recommend folllowing Louise Mensch on Twitter and following the #TrumpRussia hashtag.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/TrumpRussia

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[L. Coyote]

53. Just now, Roger stone is trending #1 on my Twitter feed.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

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[L. Coyote]

55. Is Trump the Swiftboat Admiral?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028824923