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JustAnotherGen
(31,907 posts)Because I'm dealing with a bunch of idiots in another forum right now.
lamp_shade
(14,844 posts)nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)i work with. before yesterday they were saying that repeal would be a good thing for business...i'm betting dimes to dollars that today they're starting to see the benefit for their business, i.e. new growth in healthcare related transactions.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)totalitarianism when the decision came down yesterday. I don't understand what's happened to her - she used to be such a sensible person, and she knows firsthand what it's like to have to do without medical insurance. WTF???
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)mouthing what the rich guy says -- whether he's the boss, or the client or the rich investor being interviewed on CNBC. there's no thinking. there's no consideration of facts and outcomes. it's all about lending ideological currency to those perceived to drive business your way.
i do a lot of roundtable "thought leadership" work with executives around a conference table talking to journalists, and publishing papers. everything is recycled -- there's no original thought, no personal experience, and push comes to a shove, brokers are more than happy to just make up narratives that fit the boss' perspective. one that i've heard way too many times recently is our industrial brokers saying that "our clients are waiting until after the SCOTUS decision," to buy real estate. before that they were waiting until after the midterm elections. And i know that next week they'll say they're waiting until after the November elections to make a move, "because things are just too uncertain right now."
well, that's not how business is done. that's how casino betting is done. there's more than 3 trillion dollars of capital being hoarded by American corporations right now...just waiting for the next...bubble.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)A certain segment of any population is very deferential to authority. They will accept the ACA just because the SCOTUS said it passed constitutional muster. Most people's opinions won't be affected one way or another, but the acquiescence of the naturally-deferential people will mean a net increase in support for the law.
-Laelth
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)And Congress repealed " Don't Ask. Don't Tell."
Ship of Fools
(1,453 posts)But the effin' Dem congresscritters have to be all over the airwaves for
the next 4 months, imo, in constant chatter about it.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)http://www.trumanlibrary.org/publicpapers/index.php?pid=1296
-Laelth
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)and it is a non-factor for me.
I figured Kennedy might also side with protecting the cartel but it is net the same.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)When it gets personal, people take notice.
For many who only paid attention to the shouting Teabaggger liars and the disinformation campaign, the reality of the ACA benefits will be a surprise.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)The passage got people talking about it. It is amazing how many people still don't realize that this will help them.
My boss was always against it so the passage led us to talk about it. I mentioned that now his daughter who had just graduated college but is still unemployed will at least have insurance and he was dumbfounded.
"I thought they had to be in school", says he.
"Nope, covered till age 26 under your plan.", says I. "You don't even know what it covers."
He admitted that and then asked why so many were against it then. Seems he was against it just because others were. When I told him some were against it because they thought their care wouldn't be as good if others got it, he was aghast and said that was selfish.
I shared some of the other reasons both liberals and conservatives have given for being against it. (Told him I would have preferred the truly "socialistic" Single Payer.) I also shared a list of what the act entails with him. Pretty sure he supports it now.
fujiyama
(15,185 posts)It was clear they never wanted a real debate on health reform and their sole purpose was just keeping the status quo in tact and protecting the health insurance industry. While few would say this bill is ideal, it's good legislation. Granted, I'm still not sure how this bill brings down costs and makes health care more affordable...but time will tell. There's a lot of things that will benefit ordinary, hard working Americans. The perfect example is the one you gave about children being covered by parents' insurance until 26. People will also appreciate not being denied coverage for having 'pre-existing conditions'.
People just hear "oh it's 2000 pages long". Well, yes, because health care in this country is messy and complicated and the politicians don't have the balls to implement something truly universal.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Bet Obama gets a bump at the polls, too.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)This ends the confusion for some of them and they will come around.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,438 posts)out of hope. I think that now that SCOTUS has ruled it constitutional, it will be harder for the wingnuts to successfully rail against it as tyrannical government overreach and, unless the Republicans successfully articulate a viable competing plan (other than just not getting sick), I just don't see how they succeed in convincing people to elect them in droves to end this "crisis" of President Obama and Democrats providing a structure for ensuring near-universal health insurance coverage once and for all.