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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:40 PM Jun 2012

Will More Amercans Support The Affordable Care Act Now That It Has Passed Constitutional Muster?


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Will More Amercans Support The Affordable Care Act Now That It Has Passed Constitutional Muster? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2012 OP
I said no JustAnotherGen Jun 2012 #1
Yes. I saw it happen this morning at work. lamp_shade Jun 2012 #2
i'm trying to get info on this from the gop real estate brokers nashville_brook Jun 2012 #3
I know somebody in real estate down in south GA and she was on FB frothing at the mouth about kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #11
what i've observed in the commercial real estate industry is that "political thought" = nashville_brook Jun 2012 #12
Yes. Laelth Jun 2012 #4
Same Thing Happened When The Supremes Overturned TX's Sodomy Laws DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2012 #6
Yes, in time. Ship of Fools Jun 2012 #5
As for the Dems., I hope they heed Harry Truman's advice on this. Laelth Jun 2012 #7
Possibly, I wouldn't expect any major shift. The court ruled as I expected TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #8
They will really get behind it as its provisions kick in. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #9
Definitely. I have seen it happen already too. Live and Learn Jun 2012 #10
Yeah the rhetoric surrounding this bill has just been poisonous and we can thank the Right for that fujiyama Jun 2012 #16
People like a winner Nevernose Jun 2012 #13
Absolutely Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #14
Yes, it's already happening. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #15
I voted yes Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #17

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
3. i'm trying to get info on this from the gop real estate brokers
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:47 PM
Jun 2012

i work with. before yesterday they were saying that repeal would be a good thing for business...i'm betting dimes to dollars that today they're starting to see the benefit for their business, i.e. new growth in healthcare related transactions.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
11. I know somebody in real estate down in south GA and she was on FB frothing at the mouth about
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:36 PM
Jun 2012

totalitarianism when the decision came down yesterday. I don't understand what's happened to her - she used to be such a sensible person, and she knows firsthand what it's like to have to do without medical insurance. WTF???

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
12. what i've observed in the commercial real estate industry is that "political thought" =
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:42 PM
Jun 2012

mouthing what the rich guy says -- whether he's the boss, or the client or the rich investor being interviewed on CNBC. there's no thinking. there's no consideration of facts and outcomes. it's all about lending ideological currency to those perceived to drive business your way.

i do a lot of roundtable "thought leadership" work with executives around a conference table talking to journalists, and publishing papers. everything is recycled -- there's no original thought, no personal experience, and push comes to a shove, brokers are more than happy to just make up narratives that fit the boss' perspective. one that i've heard way too many times recently is our industrial brokers saying that "our clients are waiting until after the SCOTUS decision," to buy real estate. before that they were waiting until after the midterm elections. And i know that next week they'll say they're waiting until after the November elections to make a move, "because things are just too uncertain right now."

well, that's not how business is done. that's how casino betting is done. there's more than 3 trillion dollars of capital being hoarded by American corporations right now...just waiting for the next...bubble.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
4. Yes.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:48 PM
Jun 2012

A certain segment of any population is very deferential to authority. They will accept the ACA just because the SCOTUS said it passed constitutional muster. Most people's opinions won't be affected one way or another, but the acquiescence of the naturally-deferential people will mean a net increase in support for the law.

-Laelth

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
6. Same Thing Happened When The Supremes Overturned TX's Sodomy Laws
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:52 PM
Jun 2012

And Congress repealed " Don't Ask. Don't Tell."

Ship of Fools

(1,453 posts)
5. Yes, in time.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:48 PM
Jun 2012

But the effin' Dem congresscritters have to be all over the airwaves for
the next 4 months, imo, in constant chatter about it.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
7. As for the Dems., I hope they heed Harry Truman's advice on this.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:56 PM
Jun 2012
No apologizing for the ACA! Dems. need to be proud of the ACA and defend it.

I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/publicpapers/index.php?pid=1296


-Laelth

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
8. Possibly, I wouldn't expect any major shift. The court ruled as I expected
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:59 PM
Jun 2012

and it is a non-factor for me.

I figured Kennedy might also side with protecting the cartel but it is net the same.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
9. They will really get behind it as its provisions kick in.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:05 PM
Jun 2012

When it gets personal, people take notice.

For many who only paid attention to the shouting Teabaggger liars and the disinformation campaign, the reality of the ACA benefits will be a surprise.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
10. Definitely. I have seen it happen already too.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:34 PM
Jun 2012

The passage got people talking about it. It is amazing how many people still don't realize that this will help them.

My boss was always against it so the passage led us to talk about it. I mentioned that now his daughter who had just graduated college but is still unemployed will at least have insurance and he was dumbfounded.

"I thought they had to be in school", says he.

"Nope, covered till age 26 under your plan.", says I. "You don't even know what it covers."

He admitted that and then asked why so many were against it then. Seems he was against it just because others were. When I told him some were against it because they thought their care wouldn't be as good if others got it, he was aghast and said that was selfish.

I shared some of the other reasons both liberals and conservatives have given for being against it. (Told him I would have preferred the truly "socialistic" Single Payer.) I also shared a list of what the act entails with him. Pretty sure he supports it now.



fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
16. Yeah the rhetoric surrounding this bill has just been poisonous and we can thank the Right for that
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:08 PM
Jun 2012

It was clear they never wanted a real debate on health reform and their sole purpose was just keeping the status quo in tact and protecting the health insurance industry. While few would say this bill is ideal, it's good legislation. Granted, I'm still not sure how this bill brings down costs and makes health care more affordable...but time will tell. There's a lot of things that will benefit ordinary, hard working Americans. The perfect example is the one you gave about children being covered by parents' insurance until 26. People will also appreciate not being denied coverage for having 'pre-existing conditions'.

People just hear "oh it's 2000 pages long". Well, yes, because health care in this country is messy and complicated and the politicians don't have the balls to implement something truly universal.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,438 posts)
17. I voted yes
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jun 2012

out of hope. I think that now that SCOTUS has ruled it constitutional, it will be harder for the wingnuts to successfully rail against it as tyrannical government overreach and, unless the Republicans successfully articulate a viable competing plan (other than just not getting sick), I just don't see how they succeed in convincing people to elect them in droves to end this "crisis" of President Obama and Democrats providing a structure for ensuring near-universal health insurance coverage once and for all.

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