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Austin Davis, Special for USA TODAY
Published 11:07 a.m. ET March 12, 2017 | Updated 3 hours ago
BERLIN Europe's most populous and economically powerful country can easily afford to spend more on its military defense, as NATO requires and President Trump demands. Yet Germany, still haunted by the horrors of World War II, simply doesn't want to do that ...
The world's fourth-largest economy spent $37 billion 1.2% of its economic output on defense last year, according to government figures. That is far short of the 2% set by NATO and a third of the 3.6% of gross domestic product that the United States spent in 2016, according to NATO figures.
That shortfall by Germany and other NATO countries is why Trump renewed his call in a speech to Congress on Feb. 28 for NATO members to pay their fair share of defense costs. "Our partners must meet their financial obligations," Trump said. "Now, based on our very strong and frank discussions, they are beginning to do just that. In fact, I can tell you that the money is pouring in."
That's not quite the case in the German capital. The federal government plans to increase its military spending by $2.1 billion this year. It would bring total spending to $39 billion, a 5.4% annual boost. The increase pales in comparison with the 10%, or $54 billion, hike in U.S. defense spending Trump proposes for 2018 ...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/12/germany-rebuffs-trumps-call-big-jump-military-spending/98871940/
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)But,what the heck,these suckers live in a alternative world. Watch Merkel threaten some real economic hurt on Trump. Count on it.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)de population 80 million; military spending $40 billion
de cost per person $500
us population about 320 million; military spending with DT increase about $650 billion.
us cost per person: $2000
How many Americans realize how high the average cost per person is?
I wonder what the average cost is per "middle income" tax return? I am guessing that it would be a similarly daunting number.
Perhaps if we made it clearer to people how much they are paying they'll might start thinking "There must be some things we really don't need."
We need to do something to start generating the political will to make some Deep Cuts in military spending. Seems defense is considered a "third-rail" by most Dems holding office. Somehow we need to change that.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)All European countries should be paying into NATO if they want it a strong organization.
ret5hd
(20,491 posts)$233B...more like $150B current
Russia: $70B
U.S.:$600B
Man, just asking...how strong does NATO need to be???
pat_k
(9,313 posts)VMA131Marine
(4,139 posts)some of the disparity between countries is due to the much higher amounts spent on pay and benefits for US service members, not that they don't deserve it. China has 2.3 million active military personnel, 1 million more than the US. If their pay and benefits were the same as their US counterparts the Chinese PLA budget would be comparable to the US military.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)From Politifact:
For 2016, NATOs total military budget is about $2 billion...
Each member contributes an agreed upon percentage of the shared budget. The United States leads the pack, paying 22 percent, as Samp said. This year, that comes to about $460 million. (Germany comes in second, paying about 15 percent.)
The total military spending goals for NATO members is at least 2% of GDP. For us, meeting that goal requires military budget of 320 billion. We spend almost twice that (and would spend more than twice that with DT's increase).
So, what does "pulling out of NATO" mean? Does it just mean we stop contributing about $460 million (our 22% of the 2 billion NATO budget)?
Or does it mean we'll suddenly say "we're going to start spending less than 2% of GDP on defense too"? Somehow, I don't think that's what he means. It would mean cutting our military spending in half. We are meeting (and far exceeding) spending goals "on our own." And DT is actually trying to increase, not decrease, that spending.
It is true that other members are not fulfilling the 2% GDP goal. According to this article in the Economist, it looks like only Britain, Greece, Poland, and Estonia are meeting, or exceeding, that goal. And yes, calling on nations to meet their goals is a good thing.
But, I don't understand what DT is complaining about when he complains that our portion of the combined total defense budgets of all the member nations is too high. We could cut our portion of the combined total way down by just reducing the the 2% goal.