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JI7

(89,260 posts)
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 01:27 AM Mar 2017

How is Paul Ryan an Intellectual ?

Doesn't that show what a joke the republican party has become ? And this isn't just about someone being conservative as they did use to have people who we can disagree with but still be seen as intelligent. And referring to him as a numbers guy ?

Can someone point to just an article he has written which might show this ? I'm not even asking for scholarly work his own education. But just an op ed ?

Maybe it's a result of what the rest of the party is with the Gomerts, Bachmanns ,Palins, Trumps etc.


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How is Paul Ryan an Intellectual ? (Original Post) JI7 Mar 2017 OP
he's an ayn rand disciple and a granny/grandpa/people/kids.. Cha Mar 2017 #1
You beat me to it. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2017 #8
Or even two! But the extremists I've known over my life Hortensis Mar 2017 #43
Exactly- though I cant figure out nocalflea Mar 2017 #18
And she was a massive hypocrite. She did not follow her own philosophies. Oneironaut Mar 2017 #23
She wasn't a hypocrite. dawg Mar 2017 #48
He is obviously not an intellectual, but he was made into one by the media Caliman73 Mar 2017 #2
Bobby Jindal? Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #5
I actually do not have the answer. I do know Jindal is not the answer. Caliman73 Mar 2017 #20
the media tried to do the same with Rubio but it was exposed with the rehearsed lines in the Debate JI7 Mar 2017 #19
THIS Cosmocat Mar 2017 #41
Every time I see him posing with those dumbells, I think of this: Initech Mar 2017 #3
The one with his outstretched hand makes me think of this... pinboy3niner Mar 2017 #16
Is this from a movie, it's hysterical flamingdem Mar 2017 #44
It's from the movie Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story Initech Mar 2017 #47
He can spell his own name? Solly Mack Mar 2017 #4
If he is an Ayn Rand worshipper, than he is the de facto opposite of an intellectual. Aristus Mar 2017 #6
Objectavism AJT Mar 2017 #9
Thank you... Aristus Mar 2017 #11
I only remember it because I find it so objectionable. AJT Mar 2017 #12
Well done... Aristus Mar 2017 #13
He's the only Republican who knows how to make a PowerPoint presentation. nt procon Mar 2017 #7
He isn't. potone Mar 2017 #10
He wrote the GOP budget proposal so they called him AJT Mar 2017 #14
So he knew how to use Excel and the other gang members went, "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot dalton99a Mar 2017 #21
Exactly. And remember he is one of the republican AJT Mar 2017 #34
Yep. Good thing Cantor got canned by voters. dalton99a Mar 2017 #35
And another got caught frolicking in a Nazi uniform. AJT Mar 2017 #38
He is _PROBABLY_ smarter than Rick Perry. dalton99a Mar 2017 #15
My cats are... 3catwoman3 Mar 2017 #17
He's not. smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #22
It is all relative genxlib Mar 2017 #24
He knows PowerPoint. Yavin4 Mar 2017 #25
He's not. I've always found that claim stunning. Vinca Mar 2017 #26
He isn't. gademocrat7 Mar 2017 #27
I still remember when he lied that he ran a sub 3 hour marathon. cwydro Mar 2017 #28
This is when I came to understand that Ryan was not so smart. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #29
Republicant Code-Speak for Big Head-No Heart Donkees Mar 2017 #30
He claims he read ayn rand once. Big words. Long rambling sentences. kydo Mar 2017 #31
Just consider how highly Mark Levin is regarded and that Stephen Moore is employed underpants Mar 2017 #32
He graduated #1 in a class of 1. randome Mar 2017 #33
He is not. When you owe your career to living on the dole, Drahthaardogs Mar 2017 #36
Textbook example of an "empty suit". He's never held a real job outside of politics, Cognitive_Resonance Mar 2017 #37
Yep. dalton99a Mar 2017 #45
Every single one of our Wisconsin Rs jodymarie aimee Mar 2017 #39
Paul Ryan is not a policy wonk and is really somewhat stupid Gothmog Mar 2017 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Mar 2017 #42
Compared to a garden slug, maybe? DFW Mar 2017 #46

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. Or even two! But the extremists I've known over my life
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 02:34 PM
Mar 2017

seldom seemed to read anything electively except to mine them for those parts that supported their views. It was one of their defining characteristics.

I don't doubt he read the the Ayn Rand book he recommended so highly, but those hundreds and hundreds of pages must have pinged like crazy for him to be one of the smallish percentage who actually made it all the way through.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
18. Exactly- though I cant figure out
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 02:32 AM
Mar 2017

why people equate Ayn Rand with intellectualism ?
Her ideology sucks and her novels were pure torture to read - terribly written.

Oneironaut

(5,519 posts)
23. And she was a massive hypocrite. She did not follow her own philosophies.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 03:40 AM
Mar 2017

She was dependent on the government, just like everyone her works vilify.

John Galt was always an impossible character. He's the embodiment of the Conservative pipe dream. The Darwinist, Anarchist society proposed by Rand and her followers would quickly disintegrate into disorder and war. A true "John Galt" in a society like this would be a true king of the ashes.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
48. She wasn't a hypocrite.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 03:34 PM
Mar 2017

Her philosophy was selfishness, and she selfishly did everything she thought was in her own best interest.

Not hypocritical, just assholish!

Caliman73

(11,742 posts)
2. He is obviously not an intellectual, but he was made into one by the media
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 01:39 AM
Mar 2017

In their effort to portray an "unbiased" profession, they appeared to elevate Republicans to a level of discourse suggesting an intellectual. If you think about it, who was the last conservative intellectual? One who actually could, without using platitudes like, "freedom" and "choice" and other buzzwords with little actual meaning, explain the underpinnings of conservative ideology?

As you said, compared to other Republicans, yes, he would appear to be more articulate. He is however, an inch deep and a mile wide.

Caliman73

(11,742 posts)
20. I actually do not have the answer. I do know Jindal is not the answer.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 02:43 AM
Mar 2017

Jindal was set up to be the conservative "intellectual" and he certainly did say that they need to stop being the party of stupid, but then he denies climate change, he supports some kind of immigration reform but only after we "secure the border" which is the same conservative circular logic that can never be fully realized. He also repeated information from right wing news sources about "no go" zones in Europe set up by Muslims.

The problem is that once you scratch the surface on any of these guys, all you get is the same talking points. Taxes are bad, defense spending good, social spending bad, immigration bad. Jindal is no different.

JI7

(89,260 posts)
19. the media tried to do the same with Rubio but it was exposed with the rehearsed lines in the Debate
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 02:33 AM
Mar 2017

and Christie called him out on it .

he had nothing besides the rehearsed lines.

Cosmocat

(14,567 posts)
41. THIS
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 02:23 PM
Mar 2017

He is "intellectual" because that is what republicans made him out to be, and their obedient media whores obediently parrot.

He is a vessel - a seemingly mild mannered guy with bookish good looks who doesn't stammer when he talks.

Initech

(100,097 posts)
3. Every time I see him posing with those dumbells, I think of this:
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 01:40 AM
Mar 2017


"At Globo Gym, we're better than you!"

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
16. The one with his outstretched hand makes me think of this...
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 02:13 AM
Mar 2017


The gif is Jamie Kennedy as a wannabe white rapper from Malibu in the comedy, 'Malibu's Most Wanted.'

Aristus

(66,436 posts)
6. If he is an Ayn Rand worshipper, than he is the de facto opposite of an intellectual.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 01:56 AM
Mar 2017

Determinism, or whatever the fuck she called it, means checking your brain at the door...

AJT

(5,240 posts)
14. He wrote the GOP budget proposal so they called him
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 02:11 AM
Mar 2017

a numbers guy. The numbers didn't make any sense, but nobody's perfect.

dalton99a

(81,565 posts)
21. So he knew how to use Excel and the other gang members went, "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 02:52 AM
Mar 2017

of numbers in it!"

AJT

(5,240 posts)
34. Exactly. And remember he is one of the republican
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 10:16 AM
Mar 2017

"Young Guns".......remember that silly book with a bunch of middle aged men on the cover?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. He's not.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 03:26 AM
Mar 2017

But if you are a republican, anyone with a triple digit IQ is an intellectual. Paul is probably hovering just above average. It's amazing how low they set the bar.

God he just has the most punchable face I have ever seen. Besides Trump, I mean.

What a fucking joke he is. Such a dork!

Vinca

(50,300 posts)
26. He's not. I've always found that claim stunning.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 08:27 AM
Mar 2017

The most recent evidence is that he doesn't understand the basic way in which insurance works.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
28. I still remember when he lied that he ran a sub 3 hour marathon.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 08:33 AM
Mar 2017

That's a big effing lie to those of us who run.

He's not even run one under four hours. Asswipe.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
29. This is when I came to understand that Ryan was not so smart.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 08:43 AM
Mar 2017

He wants to turn Medicare into a voucher system because he claims the government cannot keep up with the healthcare cost curve. So he wants to cap the government's liability thinking that a senior on a fixed income can handle the healthcare cost curve better than the government can. OF COURSE, HE WANTS TO START WITH THOSE 55 AND YOUNGER. Ryan knows that if he asked current seniors to sacrifice, then his little plan is DOA. Here is the stupid part. Those 55 and younger will be a large voting block of seniors very soon. Those folks would either force the government to increase the voucher amount to keep up with healthcare inflation or force a return to the current Medicare system. Ryan's plan has "stupid" written all over it.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
31. He claims he read ayn rand once. Big words. Long rambling sentences.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 08:50 AM
Mar 2017

Of course the writer never made sense. Type writer abuse if you ask me.

underpants

(182,861 posts)
32. Just consider how highly Mark Levin is regarded and that Stephen Moore is employed
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 09:43 AM
Mar 2017

as an economics advisor (to Trump) and writer.

The fact that a lunkhead like Sean Hannity is taken seriously let's you know how low the bar is for them.

I think Ryan's big asset is that he doesn't say "okay(?)" at the end of each sentence.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
33. He graduated #1 in a class of 1.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 10:00 AM
Mar 2017

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
36. He is not. When you owe your career to living on the dole,
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 10:42 AM
Mar 2017

Then vote to take away the dole, you lose the right to be an intellectual.

As a dog man, let me assure you when I go clean kennel runs - they know enough not to shit where they eat.

Can't be an intellectual if that concept escapes you.

Cognitive_Resonance

(1,546 posts)
37. Textbook example of an "empty suit". He's never held a real job outside of politics,
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 11:02 AM
Mar 2017

wealthy Wisconsin family made their fortune on government construction contracts, paid for college with Social Security benefits...Ayn Rand disciple obsessed with destroying public institutions...poster child for Republican hypocrisy

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