If you thought cross check was bad and cost the 2016 election, future elections

[Eliot Rosewater]

will be the most corrupt in a century.

We know what happened with cross check. We know what happened with closed polling places.

We know there is NO way 70,000 mostly black voters in Detroit stand in line in the freezing cold ALL DAY LONG just so they can vote down ticket and leave the prez spot blank. (twice the normal number allegedly did this in FL also, BULLSHIT)


http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/national-party-news/311099-skeptical-70000-black-voters-abstained-from


http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/30/jill-stein-recount-promise-filing-recount-michigan.html

And how many millions of voters were disallowed their franchise due to cross check?

How in the hell does anybody expect to have an honest election anywhere when one side is dedicated to stealing the election at all costs?

Oh, and the elections commission is gone! http://www.npr.org/2017/02/08/514161156/as-trump-warns-against-fraud-gop-votes-to-eliminate-election-commission

No republican can even pretend to say they want honest elections and everybody voting. This is no longer a democracy.

[Raster]

1. There is NO VOTER FRAUD, there is, however, massive amounts of ELECTORAL FRAUD...

...When all you have to peddle to voters is a failing ideology that actively disenfranchises whole swathes of the legal electorate.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Right, well 31 out of one billion over ten years. So technically it exists but you have

a better chance of being hit by lightning while on the space shuttle which is being hijacked by a group of Peruvian porn stars.

[guillaumeb]

4. Do you have pictures of the Peruvian porn stars?

Just asking.

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. There are two of them, one has one leg and 3 eyes, the other is green.

Still more likely than to vote illegally

[guillaumeb]

6. True. 31 out of 1 billion shows that the problem is effectively non-existent.

But it distracts from GOP voter suppression.

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. It is why I constantly bring up the issue.

Without closing the polling places, without cross check, none of this insanity is happening.

Not to mention the obvious hacking of machines or something like that per the Detroit situation.

Obviously tens of thousands of black votes were not counted

[Amaryllis]

9. More:

http://time.com/4599886/detroit-voting-machine-failures-were-widespread-on-election-day/
(MI Trump "win": 10,000 votes)

http://www.alternet.org/new-video-watch-wisconsin-election-officials-reject-hand-counts-after-electronic-scanners-make-big

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37486-the-shocking-truth-about-election-rigging-in-america

[uponit7771]

3. How easy is it to hack CrossCheck ?! Hmmmm, wonder what the Ruskies were really after?!

[Amaryllis]

8. MSM even reported last summer that they hacked into voter reg databases in Ill and AZ and attempted

to in other states, but they didn't do anything that changed the vote count, right? They just hacked into databases for fun to prove they could and stopped there, doncha know? And the Election Assisitance Commission was hacked also.

[uponit7771]

12. +1, that's the part that makes me sick is the "... they hacked into the data and did nothing... "

... part as if people hacking into voting data with the motive to help one candidate will do nothing with said data.

[Amaryllis]

10. Saw it coming when they stole 2004. Bush SCOTUS gave us Citizens United and

gutted voting rights act in 2013.

[MichMan]

11. Those figures in the OP are a total fabrication

State wide, Michigan had 87,000 under votes (compared to 49,000 in 2012)

Keep in mind that write in votes are not counted unless the candidate specifically registers as a write in. Bernie Sanders did not, and all of those who wrote him in had their votes not counted as having voted for president.

As far as Detroit goes, there were only 1411 votes (out of nearly 249, 000) that did not indicate a vote for president. This 70K figure mentioned is a total fabrication.

In fact Detroit had only 0.56% under votes compared to 1.73% state wide.

I have attached the official results from Detroit if you don't believe me.

There were 248,780 ballots cast

Of those

Trump 7682
Clinton 234,871
Johnson 1533
Castle 342
Stein 1735
Soltysik 186
Write In 1020 (note this does NOT include Bernie as I indicated above)

Total = 247,369

Number of undervotes
248,780 (total ballots cast) - 247,369 (votes recorded for president ) = 1411 voters did not vote for president

http://www.detroitmi.gov/Portals/0/docs/elections/Election%20Results%202016/Official-Results-Nov-8-2016.pdf?ver=2017-02-09-153952-157

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. yeah

Michigan. Margin, 10,704. Undervote, 75,335 -- 703.8 percent of margin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/14/1-7-million-people-in-33-states-and-dc-cast-a-ballot-without-voting-in-the-presidential-race/?utm_term=.e457fa5a465d

[Blue_true]

13. I live in a red county in Florida.

I haven't noticed republican officials here trying tricks with registration. They follow state laws, but people can register to vote at the DMV offices and libraries. We had a contest between a progressive for School Board and two rightwingers last August during the Florida Primary, the Progressive absolutely hammered the completion by a large margin and now serves on the School Board. I have watched School Board meetings, they tend to be progressive in nature, lots of futuristic proposals, no religious dogma. Maybe I live in a red-purple county, but the fact is the people here are not nuts. The Democratic committee in my county has a nice office and it's meetings are well attended recently.



If our side continue to use republican obstruction as an excuse for not voting, we will continue to fall backward. We need to focus on defeating republicans at their own game, win and then change laws to be fair to everyone.

[Amaryllis]

14. Nothing should be used as an excuse for not voting AND Dems need to take republican

suppression seriously because it is a very serious issue.