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Ex-DNI Clapper says on MTP that to his knowledge there was no FISA order on Trump Tower surveillance (Original Post) kpete Mar 2017 OP
Why do we think cilla4progress Mar 2017 #1
Trump distraction via tweet. FarPoint Mar 2017 #2
He'd be breaking the law talking about it C_U_L8R Mar 2017 #3
As always, it's what he didn't say deminks Mar 2017 #4
Clapper seems to contradict himself. Moosepoop Mar 2017 #5

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
3. He'd be breaking the law talking about it
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 10:59 AM
Mar 2017

Why are these people wasting our time.
Bring on the special prosecutor.

deminks

(11,017 posts)
4. As always, it's what he didn't say
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 02:23 PM
Mar 2017

He didn't say there weren't FISA court orders on individuals

He didn't say that a FISA at Trump Tower didn't exist - first he said 'they' didn't include it in any report, then he said when asked if it existed that "not to his knowledge'. This could mean it started after he left. Or Comey didn't tell him about it.

IMHO.

Moosepoop

(1,922 posts)
5. Clapper seems to contradict himself.
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 03:33 PM
Mar 2017

I'm having trouble reconciling some things he said with other things he said.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/former-dni-james-clapper-no-fisa-order-trump-tower

"Obviously I can't speak officially anymore, but I will say that for the part of the national security apparatus that I oversaw as DNI there was no wiretap activity mounted against the President-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign," he said. "I can't speak for other Title III authorized entities in the government, or a state or local entity."


So he says that his DNI didn't do it, but he can't speak for the other intelligence agencies.

But then he turns right around and appears to speak for them.

"If the FBI, for instance, had a FISA court order of some sort for surveillance, would that be information you would know?" Chuck Todd asked.

"Yes," Clapper said.

"You would be told this, if there was a FISA court order on something like this," Todd pressed.

"I would know that. Yes," Clapper replied. "Something like this, absolutely."


So he CAN'T speak for the other agencies, or he IS speaking for them? He can't have it both ways.

The other thing that I wonder about is the use of the present tense here:

"And at this point you can't confirm or deny whether that exists?" Todd asked.

"I can deny it," Clapper said.

"There is no FISA court order?" Todd pressed.

"Not to my knowledge," Clapper said.

"Of anything at Trump Tower?" Todd asked.

"No," Clapper said.


This particular denial is that to his knowledge, no FISA warrant covering communications at Trump Tower currently exists.

Such warrants are generally for 30 days or until the objective is achieved, whichever comes first. They can be extended, but only under certain circumstances. So if there had been a warrant issued in October, it very possibly wouldn't be active now, making this denial of knowledge of an existing warrant a true statement.

But I still keep going back to the speaking/not speaking for the FBI etc...

Thoughts?





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