Even when the Democrats win BIG, it's not enough for some Democrats here.

[Honeycombe8]

It doesn't help THEM directly (they think...but they are wrong), so it must be bad. Why endorse something that helps other people? What's the point of THAT?

OR....

They are not really liberal? Because the ones who are super angry right now are the conservatives. They are spittin' mad.

So doesn't that feel great, for a change? To be on the WINNING side of something? To get something that the Democrats wanted? To get something that the Democrats did just because they thought it was the right thing to do, even if politically risky?

Apparently that's not enough for some. It's not the right pony, or the wrong color pony, or the pony is too small, or the pony is (insert any ridiculous thing here).

The ACA helps MILLIONS of people. Obama risked his political life passing the bill, and the Democratic Congress went out on a limb forcing it through (Pelosi mainly). No, it's not what progressives wanted. No surprise, since most elected Democrats are not progressive, including Obama. But it was a step in teh right direction, with no denying it would help millions.

So enjoy being on the winning side for a change. Score one big for the Democrats today. Just one day.

[nobodyspecial]

1. Many of them are not democrats

Ask them

[Autumn]

2. I don't see it as a big win. The pre existing part is great.

I'm just not vested in this. As of now it does nothing for me, maybe later it might. Look, I had insurance, I saved pennies to pay that premium. After 2 years of not going to the Dr. because I couldn't afford the co pays I said screw it and dropped it. So I'm just not sure how being mandated to buy health insurance is going to change that It may be a big win if you have insurance and can use it but for some of us who have no insurance, well I'm not seeing much of a difference.

[DevonRex]

4. What if you're like me and passed along a genetic

disorder to your kids, unknowingly? Wouldn't you be ecstatic that they couldn't be denied coverage?

[Autumn]

8. Yes I would be, that's why I said the pre existing part is great.

But other than that, I don't see it helping me unless my state opens up medicaid.

[jeff47]

11. Depending on your income, you're either covered by the medicaid expansion,

or the exchanges will reduce premiums in the individual market when they're finally set up in 2014.

[Autumn]

13. The medicaid expansion is up to the state.

So we will wait and see.

[jeff47]

14. And unless you're in a dumb, deep-red state, they'll take it.

Saves 'em money in the long run by covering people before they get sick enough to fall onto traditional medicaid.

[bigwillq]

3. Oh boo hoo

Do you really care about what one thinks on a message board?

Celebrate your win and get over what others are saying.

Cheers.

[Honeycombe8]

5. I just did. nt

[bigwillq]

6. Good.

[Suich]

7. I'm thrilled!

I don't know anyone personally who will benefit (family lives in Canada), but it's a terrific deal for over THIRTY MILLION AMERICANS!

[fascisthunter]

9. stop

that's not what is going on....

but do enjoy the moment... everyone here deserves it. The fight isn't over is all.

[bigwillq]

10. ....

[ibegurpard]

12. I'm not interested in a "win"

I'm interested in good public policy. There's a lot not to like in this bill...particularly if you support single payer. That said, I'm ready to move foward and work to make it better and am completely and totally deadset against giving the repukes any ammunition in continuing this fight.

[hfojvt]

15. We got something some Democrats wanted - perhaps

What exactly is the winning side?

Before 2010, Howard Dean spoke at a DFA training where I attended. He supported passage. He said that to fail to pass something would be a political disaster, and "at the end of the day, I know what team I am on".

He got lots of applause for that.

The idea however, was that if we didn't pass something, like in 1994, that we would get killed in the midterms, just like in 1994. So something got passed.

And we got killed in the midterms anyway.

So, so much for that theory. Here in the midwest. Rove's Crossroads and Governor Sam-wants to be President-Brownback are attacking the Democratic Party for supporting Obamacare. They think it will be a winning issue for them in November - AGAIN.

We got what WE wanted? Who the heck is WE? I voted in a primary. There were two candidates. One candidate had a health care plan with a mandate, and one had a plan with no mandate. I voted for the "No mandate" candidate. That's what I wanted - no fucking mandate. And my candidate won. Boiy, it WAS great to be on the winning side. It meant that the Bush tax cuts were gonna end (whoops) and that there would be no health insurance mandate. Because my side won - twice!

But then somehow I ended up on the losing side. First, a bill got passed with a cadillac tax (wtf?) and with a health insurance mandate and with no public option. Then I was on the losing side in the 2010 elections, and then the Bush tax cuts got extended.

But that's okay, now I am supposed to be happy because the mandate, which I didn't want and voted against, got preserved. Because even though I voted against it, the guy I voted for pushed for it so that means I am on the winning side.

I guess I was also on the winning side when the guy I voted for ended up extending the Bush tax cuts.

And proposing a payroll tax cut.

And a deficit commission.

And mandatory seatbelt laws in Kansas.

I guess since I voted for him, that even if he does things that I hate, that's a win for me, and my side.

Nope, sorry. Having a hard time buying that definition of a "win".