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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBoth Evan McMullin and John Schindler think we should be worried about what Trump will do now
Remember, they both have national-security backgrounds.
Tweet from Evan McMullin:
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From John Schindler:
Link to tweet
That tweet includes a link to this 2/22 column Schindler wrote for The Observer:
Rebellion Brews in WashingtonBut American Deep State Is Only a Myth
http://observer.com/2017/02/donald-trump-administration-cia-deep-state/
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Indeed, the term Deep State isnt American or even Western in origin, rather Turkish. Its called derin devlet in that language, and for decades its meant the military and intelligence officials who have worked behind the scenes in Ankara to maintain the countrys secular institutions and values, as enshrined by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the founder of the Turkish Republic in 1923. Serving as a state-within-a-state, derin devlet reputedly has been the hidden hand which has thwarted efforts aimed at weakening Turkey and its secular Kemalist values. That Deep State has been at war with Islamists and Kurdish separatists for years, using subversion and propagandaand on occasion, violenceto blunt enemies.
While some aspects of the derin devlet myth are based in reality, over time its become the all-purpose bogeyman for Turks unhappy with the Kemalist system. Its shadowy and sinister hand is easily detected behind any activityno matter how trivialthat Islamists in particular dislike. Its therefore no surprise that the Deep State has served as the ubiquitous enemy of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan who during his 13 years of power in Ankara has waged repeated campaigns against this elusive and wily foe.
Erdoğans pervasive efforts to re-Islamize Turkey, thereby undoing Kemalism in fact if not in name, have been met with vociferous Deep State opposition, according to the government. To fight back, Ankara has purged the military and security services repeatedly, most notoriously in the so-called Ergenekon trials, which lasted from 2008 and 2013, and led to prison terms for several top generals, who were said by Erdoğan supporters to be the sharp end of the derin devlet. That this complex conspiracy to subvert the system seems not to have existed outside the regimes imagination was immaterial in Ankara.
Similarly, last summers mysterious coup, said by Erdoğan to have been the last gasp of the all-but-defeated Deep State, offered the Islamists one more opportunity to purge the military, the security services, and the whole state apparatus of those it considered stumbling-blocks to its far-reaching, back-to-the-Ottoman-future domestic agenda. Whether or not the Deep State exists in Turkeyfew doubt that it does in some formits myth unquestionably has been a huge boon to Erdoğan in his ceaseless quest for enemies to crush in order to consolidate his power.
It would be terrible for the United States if the Trump administration convinces citizens that any sort of derin devlet in Turkish fashion exists in our country.
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Tweet from Robert Costa this morning:
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Besides this Breitbart story that's reportedly led to Trump's tweet storm this morning
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/
which describes what RW conspiracists would call "deep state" activity though it doesn't use that term, Breitbart currently has an article accusing Rachel Maddow of helping the "deep state":
The Deep State Strikes Again with Rachel Maddow Department of Homeland Security Leak
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/virgil-the-deep-state-strikes-again-with-rachel-maddow-department-of-homeland-security-leak/
That Breitbart writer has been harping about the Deep State's war against Trump since December:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/12/virgil-the-deep-state-vs-donald-trump/
So this is Bannon's propaganda framework for what he wants Trump to believe, and to do.
And, as Politico reported two days ago, Trump's advisers are pushing him to purge the government of Obama appointees:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obama-appointees-advisers-purge-235629
LOL Lib
(1,462 posts)He can fuck right off. Throwing his hat in the election cost HRC votes. He is partially responsible for the DRUMPF.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Nice links, thanks for posting
Cosmocat
(14,565 posts)When this gets so ugly Republicans have to actually do their jobs in Congress, it is going to be like rooting Japanese out of a pacific island getting him out of office.
gibraltar72
(7,506 posts)gonna demand the keys for AF 1?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Deep state conspiring against Trump to take him down?
Keeping the real nuclear football somewhere else than near Trump would seem like a good idea about now.
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)"Rebellion is brewing in Washington. The resignation of the CIAs spokesman, a career intelligence analyst, is a sign of how fragile IC morale has gotten under the new administration. If President Trump keeps upping the ante in his war on the spies, he can expect more damaging leaks to reach the media. Leaks happen in every administration, and Nixons ignominious fall ought to serve as a cautionary tale to any president who thinks he can find the right plumbers to fix the leaky faucet."
From the link in Schindler tweet.