If you voted for trump for ANY reason.. then you are among the stupidest people

[Peacetrain]

to ever roam the earth. Willfully stupid.. Its a special kind of stupid.. If someone promoted Trump for any reason.. even if they did not vote for them... they are a special kind of stupid..

[dalton99a]

1. They are complicit in this madness.

[Peacetrain]

4. There is some truth there!!

[still_one]

2. Everyone who voted for trump knew trump was a racist, sexist, and xenophobe, and they

still voted for him

[RKP5637]

3. Yep! Apparently, that's what they wanted and they can't get away from that. It was blatantly

obvious what Trump was about, over and over and over again. And they still voted for him.

[Peacetrain]

5. I get up this AM.. turn on the TV and bam... sessions is meeting with the Russians

You just cannot make this stuff up.. its like watching the keystone cops run the most powerful country on earth..and the people who voted for him.. were voting for this..

[still_one]

8. It is unreal. The people that really upset me are those who voted green or didn't

bother to vote.

We not only lost the presidency, but every Democrat running for Senate in a swing state lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican because of that nonsense, and we lost the Senate too.


Arggggggggg
ggggggggg
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[JustAnotherGen]

6. Yep - and they weren't 'brainwashed'

And I'm not letting the assholes off the hook!

Already I'm seeing that at DU. The fuck?

[Peacetrain]

19. I thought there was a massive brainwashing.. but

no.. it was just being willfully stupid.I even posted to that early on.. but nope.. it was purposeful and willful stupidity.. of a magnitude never seen before..

[JustAnotherGen]

22. You tell no lies!

Someone else is trying to push that nonsense - making excuses for these people.

There are no excuses peacetrain - you nailed this!

[eniwetok]

32. so you're saying...

So you're saying that there are NO Dem strategists trying to figure out how to get some of the Trump voters to return to the Democratic Party. Are you saying they should be PROHIBITED from ever voting Dem again?

[JustAnotherGen]

48. You responded to wrong poster

I wrote - in response to Brush -

You tell no lies!
Someone else is trying to push that nonsense - making excuses for these people.
There are no excuses peacetrain - you nailed this!

You wrote

So you're saying that there are NO Dem strategists trying to figure out how to get some of the Trump voters to return to the Democratic Party. Are you saying they should be PROHIBITED from ever voting Dem again?

I have no fucking answer to what you you just typed there because it doesn't make fucking sense.

[eniwetok]

49. oops... wrong post but right person

When you're saying your not letting people off the hook...


And I'm not letting the assholes off the hook!

Already I'm seeing that at DU. The fuck?

So you're saying that there are NO Dem strategists trying to figure out how to get some of the Trump voters to return to the Democratic Party. Are you saying they should be PROHIBITED from ever voting Dem again?

[JustAnotherGen]

65. I'm not understanding?

I thought this was about Trump voters? Yep - they aren't off the hook. They did this to America and need to own it. What is this nonsense about Democratics not voting?

I'm not responsible for what happens just like I'm not responsible for the Iraq war.

I'm not taking the blame for the actions and results of bigoted fuck heads.

There is no "we".

[brush]

23. There were several threads for weeks after the election sympathizing with the poor trump voters

I remember certain screen names kept popping up trying to justify the plight of the beleagured members of the white working class who were so burdened with having no choice but to vote for trump for economic interests. They kept imploring us not to alienate them but to try mightily to get them back in the Dem fold.

I remember also, with much satisfaction, that many of us told them right where they could shove that sh_t.

[Dorian Gray]

67. I think most people

were trying to understand the WHY and the HOW white voters in the rust belt voted for Trump when it seemed to be of no benefit to them.

I think the consensus at the time, via articles and thought, was that there was a lack of hope, and that Trump was offering (Falsely) hope. He was offering to bring back jobs and "greatness" (rolling my eyes). But all those promises were empty. I know that Democratic voters will be vindicated, of course.

I don't think people were supporting them... just trying to understand.

And yes, we do need some of those votes next time around.

[eniwetok]

7. Really, that was a worthwhile post?

No one goes through life... or maybe very few, believing they are not moral, intelligent people. Even Hitler believed History would prove him right. No doubt Mao and Pol Pot did as well. Even murderous racists want to believe white supremacy is somehow noble. Stalin? Not so sure.

Of course such delusions of infallibility are pretty much the norm.

If you dismiss all Trump voters as "stupid" you're blinding yourself to their motives... which means you'll never try to peal off those who can be salvaged. I don't doubt that some were sick of both parties especially on jobs... and saw Trump as willing to end some of these stupid trade deals. They may have voted for Bernie if he were running... but they didn't believe HRC had an honest conversion on trade. I didn't believe she wasn't still a neo-lib at heart even when she said she was against the TPP.

[still_one]

10. Everyone who voted for trump knew he was a racist, sexist, and xenophobe,

and they still voted him.

and of course let's not forget about the FBI and the Russians

[eniwetok]

24. never heard of self-deception?

You're doing it right now when you claim these issues should have been weighed more than all others. I think some just put that out of their mind or found excuses that it didn't matter... or had had it with both parties playing a role of deindustrializing the nation and letting US jobs move overseas. I think others were so pissed off at a dysfunctional Washington they just wanted to toss a bomb into the mess to see if it would shake things up.

I can't see into their minds... I'm just not going to delude myself that the answer is "they're just f*cking stupid".

[still_one]

26. no they didn't. Those who voted for trump, most still approve of him, and his appointees.

[MountCleaners]

35. Some of these people are VERY politically naive

This may be hard for some of us to believe, but there are a lot of people online now who weren't on social media five or six or ten years ago (I've been on the internet for way more than twenty years!). I am acquainted with a number of these people online. They have no idea what "liberals" have to offer them, for one thing. For another, I always point out the tea party protests when they wonder why people are protesting Trump. I find out that while they re-post tea party memes, they haven't gone to the protests themselves. They're getting all of their rhetoric from memes and can't navigate their way around political media, don't know how to find an article. We have to teach all of this stuff. For example, they don't know who Robert Reich is, and he is personable and not confrontational with the other side. They don't know what Mother Jones says. Stuff like that.

Some of them are older people who just don't understand the internet, and some are younger people who haven't been exposed to a different point of view. We can get some of the people from both groups. I think it's the boomers who are a lost cause.

[hamsterjill]

59. I am a boomer and I am NOT a lost cause.

And I have many contemporaries who are just as staunch a Democrat as I am. We are all politically active and politically savvy, thank you very much.

I know many Trump supporters, young and old, who are internet savvy. They know they are perpetuating fake crap news and they do it anyway because the hate they have for liberals cannot be contained.

[raccoon]

68. Same here! NT

[Zoonart]

77. Me too.

Stop lumping all Boomers together. I was probably marching for social justice before you were born.
And... I can navigate the intertubes...thank you very much.

[MountCleaners]

78. I didn't say you were, but boomers put Trump in power

Not every boomer participated in the movements of the sixties and seventies. These are those people. They learned nothing from all of that. They voted for Nixon. They voted for Reagan. So fuck them.

[hamsterjill]

80. No, Russia put Trump in power.

Let's face a common enemy; not tear ourselves apart. There is no perfect way to categorize any segment of society, so please stop trying.

[WePurrsevere]

81. 'Some' boomers voted for Trump, just as 'some' Millenials did.

Please stop lumping all members of an age group into some tiny box you've built. You may not mean to do it but the way you're phrasing things comes across as a type of ageism.

[Peacetrain]

14. Of course they are willfully stupid...He did everything but shoot someone ..

and they voted for him.. expecting what???

[metalbot]

41. Expecting Gorsuch

Plenty of conservatives knew that Trump was a disfunctional asshole, but held their nose in exchange for a SCOTUS pick.

[world wide wally]

9. Most importantly, I never dreamed people would willingly vote for fascism over democracy

[Peacetrain]

15. He told them what he was going to do.. and they voted for him

[Cosmocat]

72. In the naivety of my youth, 20 years ago maybe

then in 99 the country elected a dolt, son of privilege that they would like to have a beer with over an intelligent, decent, capable man because he was an arrogant elitist.

then 9-11 happened, and for the next 7 years I was told I hated america and was in league with terrorists because I objected to the push toward fascism that 9-11 super charged.

Then, we elected a wonderfully brilliant and decent leader in BHO, who on the day of inauguration the GOP plotted to engage in totally unified, rampantly seditious and absolute opposition to were rewarded with the biggest mid term landslide in our lives in 2010.

Included with this was democrats having to pass, without one single vote from republicans, the republican verison of health care reform, which republicans amped up their mindless drones to think was the worst threat to our country in its history, and have spent the last 78 years running on, and winning elections against their version of health care reform.

SO ... When Trump came down that escalator, I told everyone I knew, "yes, this country is absolutely stupid enough to elect him as POTUS."

And, when that moment came, I knew just as their party and pods, and the mindless dolts "in the middle" in this country enabled his election, I knew full well we would be where we are now - a family of grifters grifting with completely deranged extremists in full control of congress knowing enabling them out of their sured righteousness of their political ideology.

[KingCharlemagne]

11. Billionaires and millionaires had every reason to vote for Trump, at least

in the short term. Long term, their wealth would mean little if the U.S. government actually collapsed, which is not entirely outside the realm of possibility, the "Trump event horizon," as I call it.

[still_one]

12. What is the most frustrating is the 47% didn't even vote

It was bad enough that we lost the WH, it was a complete disaster that we lost the Senate

[nycbos]

16. Indeed

[Peacetrain]

17. Over 70% of all eligible voters did not vote for this man

This is insane..

[eniwetok]

28. And Newt's "Republican Revolution" was voted in by 18% of the VAP...

VAP = voting age public.

[eniwetok]

25. the Senate is an antidemocratic abomination

Democratic Senators represent 33 million more American's than do GOP Senators... yet the GOP has control. Hmmmm come to think of it the GOP now has the Whitehouse even though Trump was REJECTED by the People.

Getting a clue yet that perhaps there's something f*cked up about our system?

[still_one]

31. Every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states lost to the ESTABLISHMENT,

INCUMBENT, republican.

The 47% made a difference, as did those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary in the general election:

Hillary lost Michigan by .3%. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote. Similar results in Wisconsin, and other swing states

[eniwetok]

34. you're missing the point...

When we have an antidemocratic system... THOSE REPRESENTING THE MINORITY OF VOTERS OR OF THE US POPULATION CAN GET THE POWER TO GOVERN.

At some point Dems NEED TO WAKE UP. But they never do. We KNOW the Right wants to sabotage democracy. Who would have thought the Dems would never want to reform a system that steals power from them!

[eniwetok]

38. You're not holding Dem voters responsible? Of course not.

Everyone's to blame except lower Dem turnout?

Obama 2008 69,498,516
Obama 2012 65,915,795
Clinton 2016 65,853,625

And you're not blaming HRC for taking those states for granted.

And you're not blaming the GOP for voter suppression.

And you're not blaming the EC, a mindless, antidemocratic, vote weighting scheme that steals votes from one party and gives it to the other.

When you blame the Greens it says more about YOU than the election.

[still_one]

46. Not only the self-identified progressives, but the 47% who didn't bother to vote. That you seem to

believe that a good number of trump supporters made an honest mistake in assessment, says more about YOU than the election, since those same supporters, approve of everything he is doing.

As for the Senate races in the swing states, that had NOTHING to do with the electoral college

[eniwetok]

50. I never said it did have anything to do with the EC... did I?

You made the comment about Senate loses... I reframed the issue as one of the Senate being antidemocratic... that Dems WOULD now be in control IF it were a "democratic" institution based on people being represented instead of states.

Please don't tell me you have no clue what I'm talking about.

[still_one]

52. Actually you did, at the beginning of this subthread

"And you're not blaming the EC, a mindless, antidemocratic, vote weighting scheme that steals votes from one party and gives it to the other. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8735029

I was trying to point out that the Senate is NOT determined by the electoral college, so there was an inconsistency between the Senate results, and the general election. I also do not agree with you assessment that the Senate is anti-Democratic.

I do agree with you, if I understand your point correctly, that the electoral college is not Democratic, but that is the way it is setup in the Constitution, and the red states will not allow that to change.

We were also in another discussion in this subthread above:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8733886

and my comments were based on that also

[eniwetok]

55. Seriously.... you don't believe the Senate is antidemocratic? SERIOUSLY??

"I also do not agree with you assessment that the Senate is anti-Democratic. "


The Senate is perhaps the most ANTIdemocratic representative body on the planet. The hard numbers bare that out... states with a mere 18% of the population get 52% of the seats. Of course not all the small states are going to be made up of one party. So in real world terms Dem Senators now represent 33 million more American's than GOP Senators... yet the GOP has control. Looking at votes is more difficult since they are greatly affected by off year elections... and that one has to calculate THREE election results to get a total of how many people voted for a party over three elections. For example in the 2004 election the Dems won more votes that year

44,754,618 vs 39,920,562

and also over three elections

101,584,312 vs 98,995,255

yet the GOP had 55% seats to the Dems 44

If you don't call this antidemocratic... you have no clue what the term means.

[eniwetok]

51. I also didn't say...

"...that a good number of trump supporters made an honest mistake in assessment..."

I said some may have voted for Trump because to them the economic issues outweighed him being an ass.

As for this claim

"....since those same supporters, approve of everything he is doing"

I don't know if it's every Trump voter approves of everything he does. If I listen to real public opinion polls instead of you I get a different answer...

Approve strongly
TOTAL 29%
GOPer 66%
DEM 2%
IND 28%

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2431

If you bothered to look at the polls before the election about 1/3 to 1/2 of each side was not voting FOR their candidate by AGAINST the other.

[still_one]

53. The polls before the election were affected by Comey and FBI interference, along with the media's

complete distortion.

MSNBC was the first network to report that "the FBI was reopening the investigation in the emails". THAT WAS A LIE. MSNBC they proceeded to parade every right wing politician across their screen propagating that lie for the next 2 hours. Shortly there after the other networks joined suit with the same distortion.

Two days later Bret baier from fox news reported from his sources inside the FBI said that an indictment was pending against the Clinton Foundation. That was also a lie, but other news outlets also reported that. 48 hours later, Baier came back an apologized, and his report regarding the FBI was incorrect. Rachel Maddow, was gushing all over Mr. Baier that he apologized for the mistake he made.

On Friday, the last weekend before the election, Comey came, and said there was no evidence to reopen the email investigation.

Mission accomplished.

She was doing fine in the polls before those lies came out, and it reflected very clearly in Nate Silvers analysis just how much damage had been done

[eniwetok]

57. Yup, those are SOME factors...

But HRC still WON the popular vote. Only in good ole USA can an election be stolen from the victor and some mindless EC formula can impose on the nation a president and an agenda THAT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY REJECTED BY THE PEOPLE.

Our system makes a mockery of the very concept of self-government.

And let's be honest here... reporting may DISCOURAGE some voters... but it's still THEIR CHOICE. In the end each VOTER is responsible. Neither Comey nor the media were holding a gun to anyone's head telling them not to vote.

[LanternWaste]

37. Yours allegations of the Senate being antidemocratic is adorbs.

Yours allegations of the Senate being antidemocratic is adorbs. Unsupported by objective evidence and heavy on the emotional melodrama, but still tots adorbs, little fella.

[eniwetok]

39. Your inability to do simple math is no reflection on me.

Or perhaps you don't have a clue what the term democratic means... hint demo = PEOPLE crat=rule.

I ran the numbers using the July 2016 US official population estimates for the states. I assigned the half the state's population to each Senator and looked at how many each party represented. That's where the 33 million comes from. Of course perhaps I screwed up. I await your "objective" evidence my numbers are wrong. Here they are

GOP 144,101,643
DEM 177,262,559
IND 873,937



Obviously you also don't know that 18% of the US population gets 52% of the Senate seats where they can block anything coming out of the House... plus have special powers like with nominations. Clarence Thomas was ratified by Senators representing less than half the US population. He then goes on to be a key vote in Bush v Gore.

[still_one]

54. The Senate was a compromise to give each state, regardless of population, 2 Senators. It was to

allow a balance between the two houses. The problem is because of Nixon's southern strategy, the large states are now at a disadvantage, because the EC works against them. At the time the Constitution would not have been ratified by the smaller states, if they didn't allow that

[eniwetok]

60. please spare me the civics lessons...

I know damn well why we ended up with antidemocratic government. That doesn't change the fact that it IS antidemocratic... ie the minority is permitted to govern.

So I'm still awaiting your claim that the Senate is NOT antidemocratic?

And, no... Nixon had nothing to do with it. The formula is what the formula is. Nixon just made a grab for the southern racist vote.

So what's the point? When those we now call the Framers met they were charged with FIXING THE ARTICLES... a dreadful document designed as was the Constitution to be ratified. But it was both a "perpetual union" and essentially reformproof. So the Framers did the unthinkable... they dumped it. They violated the Articles' own rules and started from scratch. It could be considered a coup of sorts.

Why do you feel compelled to just go along with someone decided 230 years ago when it's clearly a failing system... failing in that it's unable to give us morally legitimate government based on democratic consent... and it's ALSO essentially reformproof. It's THE SYSTEM that is clearly stealing the power to govern away from the Dems and giving it to the GOP.

[still_one]

61. Go find someone else to rag on. Have a nice day

[eniwetok]

62. it comes as no surprise you're scampering off...

Obviously you're stuck being unable to prove your claim

"I also do not agree with you assessment that the Senate is anti-Democratic."

and lack the integrity to retract it.

Like most believers in the Civic Religion... you seem to believe that if you just regurgitate what you learned in 4th grade US History WHY we have the screwed up system we have... that alone should settle all questions.

Sorry. It just proves either you don't what democratic principles are... or if you do... you don't care... thus proving why Dems have NEVER bothered to reform the system that's doing them in.

To repost the evidence you ignored...

The Senate is perhaps the most ANTIdemocratic representative body on the planet. The hard numbers bare that out... states with a mere 18% of the population get 52% of the seats. Of course not all the small states are going to be made up of one party. So in real world terms Dem Senators now represent 33 million more American's than GOP Senators... yet the GOP has control. Looking at votes is more difficult since they are greatly affected by off year elections... and that one has to calculate THREE election results to get a total of how many people voted for a party over three elections. For example in the 2004 election the Dems won more votes that year

44,754,618 vs 39,920,562

and also over three elections

101,584,312 vs 98,995,255

yet the GOP had 55% seats to the Dems 44

If you don't call this antidemocratic... you have no clue what the term means.

[still_one]

63. last comment, I really don't want to deal with rudeness

[eniwetok]

64. saving face? sorry... the transcript proves...

Feel free to use that as your excuse... but we... and anyone else who reads the transcript knows better.

And this brings up a relevant political question... how do you expect any right winger to deal with their contradictions and refusal to be guided by facts when someone who no doubt considers themselves to be an enlightened liberal can't?

[nycbos]

13. As LBJ said...

"If you can convince the lowest white man he is better than the best colored man he won't notice you picking his pockets."

[still_one]

18. wow, Johnson sure had an unconventional way to say something

[Blue_true]

36. Believe it or not, that is how you have to talk to many southern people.

Johnson and republicans know that. Our candidates get their impressive degrees and forget how to talk to poor White southern people so that they understand our message. Also, believe it or not, there aren't more southern racists than there in other regions.

[madokie]

20. I'm looking out my window where a pair of them reside

had the gall to tell me that his and her vote didn't matter cause the whole state went for tRump. my response is you didn't know that at the time of the vote so you own this one. At that I removed his sorry ass from my address book and will not be taking any calls from him either. Sad as we've been tinkerer friends for a while now but this was the straw that broke the friendship, as far as I'm concerned.

[TheDebbieDee]

21. Most gullible, poorly educated, uninformed idiots!

The Russians grossly underestimated how many moronic Americans there are - they didn't expect their joke candidate to win!

[gopiscrap]

27. these are the folks that need to be deported

[butdiduvote]

29. Indeed. Quit telling me to have empathy for these people. They deserve to be called stupid.

They inflicted their stupidity on all of us, and now the entire nation is suffering. The least you can do is not tell me to be understanding of them.

[eniwetok]

42. CORRECTION!!

Sorry... Trump LOST the election.

What imposed Trump on the nation after he was REJECTED by the People was the EC... a mindless, antidemocratic, vote rigging scheme that steals votes from one party in every state in the nation and gives it to the other party.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

73. Plus Republicans are always saying they are against coddling because they are so tough

They can take the harsh realities of life. They aren't delicate little snow flakes... if you ask them. Best to tell them they are straight up stupid. They should appreciate your brutal honesty.

[Gothmog]

30. Water is also wet

[gademocrat7]

33. K&R!

[jmg257]

40. What is truly amazing is that 63+ Million "stupid people" thought he was better then Hillary.

[agenasolva]

43. Sad. Hillary was the most qualified candidate in history and they supported a clown instead

[jmg257]

45. Incredible isn't it?? Yeesh... nt

[Mr. Ected]

44. This applies to my mother and father-in-law, 11/12 of my employees & most of my local acquaintances

They are not stupid. They are gullible. They're not interested in politics, but vote in order to fulfill their civic duty. They listen to FOX news and Rush Limbaugh and believe every morsel of feces that is fed to them. They cannot articulate why they voted for Trump, just that they think he represented change, and we needed change, and government is bad, and Trump is a businessman and knows what it takes to save our country.

In other words, they've been hypnotized, propagandized and brainwashed. They come from families that have voted Republican for generations and they simply can't help themselves.

Come to think of it, they ARE stupid. No excuses.

[asuhornets]

47. AMEN!!!! n/t

[RealityChik]

56. That's kind of an unfair insult...

Some voters just couldn't get past Having to vote for Hillary. And since the press made it look like a landslide for Hillary anyway...

Just sayin'.

[Coventina]

83. Nope. They actively voted for a racist. There is no excuse nor forgiveness for that. n/t

[mcar]

58. Yep!

[Dorian Gray]

66. I know trump voters

Personally. I don't think they are just stupid. There are a subsection that are just selfish.

[Averagegrunt]

69. Not stupid...maybe selfish but not stupid

Are there some stupid ones? Duh But there are dumb democrats too. Americans are politically bipolar. Half of Americans are like children they want something until they have it. The other half are people that require vindication and will ignore any facts that disagree with that vindication. Both halfs of the same pie that is American are flawed.

[calimary]

70. You'll enjoy this one, then:

Charlie Pierce in Esquire - "Why I'll Never Sympathize with Regretful Trump Voters"

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a53491/regretful-trump-voters/

Holy mother of god, I'm tired of reading quotes from people who live in places where the local economy went to hell or Mexico in 1979, and who have spent the intervening years swallowing whatever Jesus Juice was offered up by theocratic bunco artists of the Christocentric Right, and gulping down great flagons of barely disguised hatemongering against the targets of the day, all the while voting against their own best interests, now claiming that empowering Donald Trump as the man who will "shake things up" on their behalf was the only choice they had left. You had plenty of choices left.

In Kansas, you could have declined to re-elect Sam Brownback, who'd already turned your state into a dismal Randian basket case. In Wisconsin, you had three chances to turn out Scott Walker, and several chances to get the state legislature out of his clammy hands. And, now that the teeth of this new administration are becoming plain to see, it's a good time to remind all of you that you didn't have to hand the entire federal government over to Republican vandalism, and the presidency over to an abject loon on whom Russia may well hold the paper.

You all had the same choices we all had. You saddled the rest of us with misrule and disaster. Own it. I empathize, but I will not sympathize.

(snip)

Feeling lost and desperate is a terrible thing. But if, out of loss and desperation, you drink 20 cold beers out of the old preparation room and smash your car into a daycare center, the judge is not going to care how lost and desperate you felt. You build your own prisons in this life. You design your own sentences.

-------

Nails it.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

71. I know... I'm trying to understand how people who are doctors and engineers, etc

voted for Trump. Usually people in these professions are known for their intelligence. Maybe the republican party really is becoming like a cult. I know a few people who aren't all that bright and yet they could tell Trump was a liar and they voted for Hillary.

[MountCleaners]

75. Maybe they don't like politics

Maybe they think of themselves as "not political". I'm finding a few of those online. It's still confoundingly reckless to put a businessman with questionable integrity and NO political experience in charge of the world's most powerful nation. Personally, I think it's kind of immoral to not take your vote that seriously.

They probably got ahead in the world because of white privilege, frankly. Some of the people I am familiar with who voted Trump don't take their vote that seriously because they grew up in a world where they were encouraged to feel entitled to white collar jobs. They didn't have to compete with anyone else when they were younger.

[NurseJackie]

74. That's too specific for me. If someone voted AGAINST Hillary for any reason...

... by voting for Trump, Stein, Johnson (or by "writing-in" any other jackass or gag candidate with an obscene sounding name) then they are a special kind of stupid. Anyone who worked against Hillary in any way is willfully stupid. In spite of their justification that they're just trying to reach a magical percentage to make a 3rd party "viable" at any cost, they knew what the stakes were. It was stupid, and vain, and naive. The Sarandons (and other "third-partiers&quot of this world deserve nothing but contempt for the remainder of their days. There are no words they can utter to change my opinion of them, no apology can ever be contrite or sincere enough. And in spite of it all, people like that still remain stubborn and defiant with their claims that Hillary would have been "worse than Trump". I'll never forget, and I'll never forgive.

[MountCleaners]

76. I'll tell you what I don't get

I understand the desire of the apoliticals to elect someone from outside politics (although that is ridiculously cynical), but why Trump? It's not like he has a public personality that inspires trust. I'm sorry, but I think a large percentage of the population just can't "read" people well. The guy doesn't seem at all concerned with being likeable, but he gets right-wingers to "pray" for him as if he isn't headed straight to purgatory or worse.

[mainstreetonce]

79. I don't excuse any Trump voters, but....

I understand that there were people who believed him about jobs. There were people who wanted an outsider. People who would vote for anyone against Hillary.

This is what I will never get. Thecp stupidest people are the one's who voted Trump in the
R primary. They had a stage full of other choices. They purposely chose the obviously lying conman who didn't have a clue about government.

Hopeless!

[MFM008]

82. Just as we suffered

When this maggot ass was elected, I hope they are aggravated about what's going on now.
Let it give them an ulcer.