This May Sound Like Dumb Questions - But When People Are Deported To Mexico....

[global1]

Who takes them? Where do they take them to? Are there official drop off points? What happens to these people when they arrive in Mexico? Do they just become homeless? What if Mexico refuses to accept them?

I heard that we're deporting some people that Mexico is not there country of origin. What happens to these people? Is the U.S. just dumping these people on Mexico?

[TexasBushwhacker]

1. I was also wondering about people who came THROUGH Mexico

from Central America. Are the deporting people to Guatemala and Honduras or they just deporting all brown skinned folks to Mexico?

[global1]

3. A News Organization Should Do A Program On Deportation.....

basically following a deportee or deportees from when they get arrested (rounded up here in the U.S.) and follow them all the way down to Mexico to see what happens when they arrive there and how they are treated.

I don't know if a news organization has done this already. If so - I'd like to watch it. If not - given the prominence this issue is getting under 45Pee's administration - it would be a compelling documentary.

[treestar]

19. What a concept, they could report on facts

rather than debate each other on basically very few facts. They are on 24/7 - you'd think this would be covered.

[yagotme]

32. Wow, you're really asking for a lot there...

[bdamomma]

27. these ICE officers

are too power hungry, and overreaching.

The people they are deporting have lived longer in the US than their own countries. Fucking tRump should move to Germany that is where his father came from who ran a cat house, no offense to cats.

[RKP5637]

30. Reminds me of Germany WWII! FFS, the US is disappearing with this asshole as president. n/t

[bdamomma]

35. a lot of people

are going to be hurt and this cabal just does not care and harbor so much hate. Put Republicans in the same camp.

[wcmagumba]

2. I get the impression the current admin(hardly)...

does not know or even care.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. tRump isn't wasting any time of his time worrying about these people. Nameless/faceless to him.

[dchill]

29. "Nameless/faceless to him..."

As are we all. HE doesn't think he's our president, either.

[bdamomma]

37. He is catering to his small base

we are the majority. The forgotten topic in all of this is his tax returns that still have not been shown.

[RKP5637]

31. Trump, doesn't give a shit about any of this, as he bellows, lies and tweets, as he follows the

dictator's handbook. He's about the most evil SOB I've ever seen in the presidency. He makes Nixon look far left.

[ChicagoRonin]

5. In the case of Cambodians

I don't know about Mexicans but I have friends involved with the plight of Cambodian deportees. There's a large community of Cambodians in California, largely people who came here as refugees fleeing the Khemer Rouge regime in the 70s. Due to economic problems, etc. many of those who came as children fell into the Asian gang sce scene. There are many who have been arrested and subsequently deported to Cambodia. They have lived their entire formative lives in the US, don't speak Cambodian, and are dropped off with no assistance regarding jobs, housing, etc.

[astral]

6. I've got a dumber question.

What about all the homeless US citizens our government has never planned on taking care of? THEY MATTER LESS!

[ismnotwasm]

20. Less than what?

Why are you interjecting the problems with homelessness in a thread asking questions about deportations?

[bhikkhu]

24. Do you think the problems are somehow related?

I don't see it.

A common diversion is to end conversation on one unsolved problem by bringing up another, the suggestion being we need to do the right thing on one first before we even think about doing the right thing on the other. Or that we should do nothing at all until we have a solution for everything.

[world wide wally]

7. Good question, but you assume there is a logical answer because this is all based on reason.

Wrong White House

[Tiggeroshii]

8. ICE imprisons them in holding facilities in questionably humane conditions

for hours, days, weeks, months or sometimes years until their case is "processed"

[bdamomma]

33. I heard they

want private contractors for private detention prisons to hold people to be erected along the border. This can not stand.

[Luz]

9. HS arranges flights to return everyone to their home

countries. At least for now.

[pinboy3niner]

10. There are good articles about the deportation process and stories by deportees...

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...about their experiences. Just put a question into google.

Some deportees are simply dropped off on a border bridge or in Tijuana or another city below the border. To disrupt chances of re-entry, the dropoff is made away from where the deportee crossed into the U.S. where the surroundings and coyote networks are familiar. To avoid large concentrations of deportees in the border area, some are flown to Mexico City.

"Dave," a friend, learned that his live-in girlfriend was picked up in L.A. County and deported. He drove to Tijuana and made inquiries that led him to a couple other cities before he found her and arranged with a coyote to bring her back across the border. Dave met her on the U.S. side and drove her home to L.A. County. It took him about 24 hours or so.

Here's one article that gives a good idea of the process:

The Road, or Flight, From Detention to Deportation
By FERNANDA SANTOSFEB. 20, 2017

...

The Departure Point

Just as there are several possible outcomes for an immigration case, there are also different ways to deport unauthorized immigrants. A lot of it depends on location.

Mexican nationals typically are flown to cities such as Phoenix, San Diego, and Brownsville, Tex. From there, they are driven across the border in vans or buses or, in some cases, they simply walk across a bridge. Vans can often be seen leaving ICE’s building in central Phoenix, disappearing in the hubbub of a big city’s traffic as they shuttle deportees on their way back to Mexico.

...

The Journey

ICE has its own air transportation arm and uses a combination of commercial and charter flights to move detainees among American cities and from the United States to foreign countries. There are regularly scheduled charter flights to countries that have a large and steady number of deportees, such as El Salvador and Honduras. The agency also shuttles deportees on charter flights to Europe, Asia and Africa, though less frequently. Recently, one such flight carried deportees to Somalia, an ICE spokeswoman said.

Deportees are shackled by their wrists and ankles on charter flights and on commercial flights if they are being escorted. Not all of them are escorted; the decision is based on whether they have a history of violent crimes or are deemed dangerous to others. During the flight, wrist shackles come off only while the deportees eat or use the restroom.

The Cost of Repatriation

The cost of these trips is borne entirely by American taxpayers. ICE pays on average $8,419 per flight hour for charter flights, regardless of how many people they carry.

Having too many empty seats on these flights, and too often, were among the points of criticism of in audit performed by the Homeland Security Department’s Office of Inspector General in 2015. Another was the circuitous routes taken by at least some of the detainees. In 2013, one flew from Seattle to El Paso to Phoenix, back to Seattle and back to Phoenix before landing in Guatemala.

...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/us/the-road-or-flight-from-detention-to-deportation.html?_r=0

[Hortensis]

11. Yes, we have similar stories, including my favorite where

several male relatives in the factory where they all worked got up and left after a call that a female relative had been caught and dumped back over the border in a bad neighborhood in Tijuana (after returning to Mexico to see a new grandchild). They were all back at work the next day, including her. My husband was the new products manager, and that was when he learned that their entire production floor was staffed from 3 villages, 2 in different parts of Mexico and one in SE Asia. Any vacancies immediately filled with someone already chosen and waiting.

As for how this will be handled in all the nations affected, governments at all levels are of course busily trying to figure that out. Needless to say, if not stopped somehow, the huge numbers affected are going to cause huge problems and many tragedies, and ours will not be the only government failing of humanity. We can expect to see citizens in other countries coming together to welcome and assimilate as many as they can.

On the plus side for those nations, they will be receiving many workers with valuable skills. Expect to see some of their jobs follow them.

That's not possible for the Guatemalans who sang cheerfully while digging the foundation trenches for our new hillside home through hardpan and rock. I don't worry too much about those fine men, wherever they are. Almost certainly from the same village, likely extended family, and they at least will be going home. May already have.

[global1]

12. What's A Coyote?....

You mention 'arranged with a coyote' to bring her back. I'm not familiar with that term as used here.

[pinboy3niner]

13. Someone who smuggles people across the border...for a price. nt

[grantcart]

15. 99% of the Mexican undocumented aliens are returned to the nearest port in air conditioned

buses that are the equivalent high end tourist buses.

[pinboy3niner]

16. I'm sure anti-immigrant groups are promoting the notion that deportees...

...receive luxurious treatment, the best ever! The gratuitous references to air conditioning and "high end tourist buses" are dead giveaways.

[grantcart]

21. See response below

I was responding to an article that made it appear that Mexican migrants are flown back. That is not true as less than 2-3% are put on planes.

For 8 years I was Chief of Operations for Refugee Resettlement in South East Asia during the Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian and Afghanistan resettlement for what is now known as IOM. During that time I assisted more than 500,000 refugees and migrants in the resettlement process. I also assisted 5,000 Iranians in getting asylum.

That job took me into more detention facilities than anyone I have ever met. In most countries immigration jails are purposely the worst jails in the country as part of a deterrent by the host countries. I cannot even express how inhumanely other countries treat their aliens.

I found aliens in some countries that were being held in a simple small cell with 20 other people with not enough room for everyone to sleep at one time. One fellow was from Bangladesh who had spent 10 years waiting to go back because many countries will not pay for the fine of the local government nor the air fare. In my own time I worked with Americans in Protestant Churches who would help to pay part of the fine and I was able to negotiate a reduction of the fine and would go and literally beg the national airline to make a humanitarian gesture and save this poor man's life.

Here is a picture of the ICE busses that you can see everyday at all of the ports of entry:



I am the only one in my nuclear family that is born in the US. My wife is an immigrant.

I advocate strongly for more immigration and refugee policies and look forward in my retirement to finding a voluntary job in a refugee camp. So Fuck you and your slander that I am anti immigration. I just don't think it helps our arguments when lies are made (like the assertion above that ICE facilities are inhumane) about how migrants are treated. The OP asked how they are transported back and I answered the OP.

Anyone who lives next to the border or is a frequent border crosser has seen the ICE busses frequently, they are ubiquitous.

[HoneyBadger]

25. Fascinating

Mom worked in Catholic based refugee resettlement for her entire career. She spent a year at Harrisburg when the first wave came in. My favorite story was how they hated the cold. She sent one to Maine in the winter and they never heard from him again. She stopped sending them there.

[phylny]

14. I work with some undocumented families.

I can't answer your questions, but here are some other things to consider: One woman was brought here by her mother when she was 8 years old. She grew up going to local schools and has children who were born here and are American citizens. She said she has no life in Mexico - she hasn't been there in 20 years. She certainly can't travel back home, and her children, should she be deported, are not Mexican citizens. The family would not be able to pay for school for their American citizen children. She is looking to get them Mexican citizenship, but she said it's not the same as in the U.S. (if you're a citizen and your children are born elsewhere, your kids are U.S. citizens).

Another woman, who came here as a young adult, has four children here. She said she is heartbroken and worried. She pays "insurance and taxes" and she feels she is a productive member of society. I agree, the family is fantastic.

[grantcart]

17. My job brings me into contact with ERO Officers.

My job takes me to work with ICE AFGE union officers who are stationed in deportation facilities.

Here are the facts:

1) Within ICE there are dozens of different sub agencies as basically everything that doesn’t fit anywhere else goes into ICE. For example there is a floor on the building next to the Federal Building that houses ICE Financial Investigations Unit and all they look at is money laundering. There are ICE investigation officers.

ICE operations related to returning aliens are handled by ERO Officers (used to be called DRO).

https://www.ice.gov/contact/ero#wcm-survey-target-id

2) ERO Officers have a lower grade than Border Patrol Agents, Customs Officers, DHS Agents or ICE Agents because it is basically a “baby sitting position” and only involves simple custodial tasks (and no investigations, etc.)

3) You should understand that the high, very high volume of Mexican aliens that are detained and returned are repeat and multiple offenders. It is EXTREMELY difficult to make it across the border through the area that the Border Patrol patrols and so to make it past that now you will most likely have to try a dozen times before you are successful, which means that you are caught 11 times before you actually make it.

4) Before President Obama’s administration made changes most aliens could opt for a “voluntary return” in which case they would be driven back from the Border Patrol holding cell directly back to the border by Border Patrol Agents.

After Obama all aliens (or almost all) were sent into the system for formal removal proceedings. At this point 99% of the aliens just want to get back across the border so they can either go back to work or make another attempt to jump the fence.

They are assigned an attorney and go to court. Most of these courts are not open to the public (although I am guessing that anyone can apply to observe) because they are in detention facilities. (Contrary to the statement above the facilities are clean and much better than the best county or state facilities).

The Immigration Court in Yuma is located in an outside facility and whenever I have time between appointments in Yuma I go to this court because it is the place in Yuma I know of where you can sit in really good air conditioning besides a restaurant or a Walmart.

I have seen dozens of court procedures and they follow all the rules that you see in Law and Order: They are tried in groups of about 20 and there are 2-3 prosecution attorneys and 2-3 defense attorneys present. They have to one by one agree that they know their rights and allocate. If their statement on allocution doesn’t match the report (for example getting the place where they jumped the fence wrong) then the court takes a break so that they can get the story right.

Almost all of these people just want to get back to the border as soon as possible and find all of the niceties of our system tedious.

Occasionally there is a real case. For example there was one young man who had never been to the US but claimed to have a biological father in the US. His attorney got a DNA test and was able to prove his claim and was released at the court.

Once they have been approved to go back they are moved in air conditioned buses by ERO officers who accompany them back. Frankly at this point ALL of the people I have seen are relaxed because they can go back to return to work, their family or try again.

All of the ERO officers I have met in CA, AZ and TX were naturalized Mexican-Americans who know most of the aliens by name because, as pointed out above, have made the trip multiple times before they are successful.

A very small percentage of Mexican aliens are flown to Mexico. If a person makes repeated attempts, like a dozen, in a short period of time, or have been uncooperative (spitting at employees) or have attempted to escape from a hospital visit (to name a few possible examples). They are placed on plane that will take them away from where they jumped the fence.

For example a person that jumps in San Diego is flown to Juarez, or flown to the southern part of Mexico. This is about the only ‘deterrent’ the US has to a border jumper as they are not prosecuted unless they are a repeat offender AND seen as an employee of the cartel. Even ‘mules’, young guys who carry 80 pounds of drugs for days in the desert for a few hundred dollars, are not prosecuted unless they have been caught multiple times.

[LeftInTX]

22. Does Mexico verify that they are Mexican citizens first?

Are they taken across the border or are they left off at the bridge?

I used to see clips of them being left off at the bridge. But this was awhile back....about 20 years ago.

[grantcart]

23. Actually there is pretty good cooperation between US Customs and Mexican Customs

This also includes Mexican Customs arresting known American fugitives fleeing into the US even though they don't have formal extradition.

I believe you may be remembering Central American women and children trying to enter the US legally to file requests for asylum. Eventually they were allowed in and thousands came through creating a massive logistical and legal nightmare.

[nocalflea]

39. Thanks

for the education. I'm a life-long Californian,yet I know very little about the process and the conditions. I don't condone ignorance ,but given the circmstance, I wish to god my curiosity hadn't been spiked.Illegals are literally my neighbors -I'm living in dread.Again , thank you.

[Wellstone ruled]

38. Thank you for

facts. Thanks again for you dedication and hard work. Have a family member in DHS assigned to a Customs unit and fully understand the what you folks do day to day.

[LeftInTX]

18. It isn't a dumb question. It is a good question

I've had the same question.

Are the just taken to the bridge? I have heard stories that they were rounded up and taken to the bridge.

Does Mexico verify that they are Mexican citizens before they are deported?

[bdamomma]

34. I heard

someone took their life and jumped off that bridge. This is inhumane and despicable.

[drray23]

26. Mexico indicated that they wont accept people who are not

Citizens of mexico.

[womanofthehills]

36. True -Mexico and the US "HAD" an agreement that Mexico would take people from South & Cen America

Mexico just dissolved that agreement.

[Jake Stern]

28. IIRC from when a co-worker of mine was sent back to Europe for overstaying his student visa

they deported him back to his native Romania but he claims they stated that, because he is an EU citizen, they only had to transport him to the nearest port of entry in the EU (Shannon Airport).

Wonder if they were bullshitting him or not.

[2naSalit]

40. As I understand it, yes, they are dumping

people on Mexico in border cities. If they don't have family they are pretty much SOL. There was an interview with someone who was "dumped" by ICE years ago and that's what happened to her. She was driving with her young daughter in the car and was stopped. She was separated from her daughter and transported to the border. At least someone was able to meet her in the border town and get her a motel room and help her out.

I can only imagine that it is worse now.

When I lived in San Diego, we always saw buses with deportees heading for the border. Border Patrol checkpoints at San Onofre and Escondido were just part of the trip when traveling north. I don't recall seeing one on I-15 when I was out there a couple years ago.... looks like the freeway got too big for that. I wonder when they got rid of the one at San Onofre.