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Cattledog

(5,915 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 06:43 PM Feb 2017

No more weed...

https://mic.com/articles/169471/white-house-hints-at-coming-crackdown-on-recreational-marijuana#.VC9hNOQYs

White House press secretary Sean Spicer suggested Thursday the federal government could crack down on recreational marijuana use across the country, even in states that have legalized the drug.

Spicer's comments during the daily White House press briefing came in response to a question from a local Arkansas reporter, who asked whether President Donald Trump was OK with Arkansas' medical marijuana law, rules for which were recently approved by the state's Medical Marijuana Commission.

Spicer said Trump approves of medical marijuana use — which could help provide relief to the chronically ill — as opposed to recreational use, which Spicer suggested was tied to the opioid crisis many states are currently facing.
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No more weed... (Original Post) Cattledog Feb 2017 OP
So, States' Rights for potties, Federal law for pot. JenniferJuniper Feb 2017 #1
You got it! nt EarthFirst Feb 2017 #3
Exactly what I thought amuse bouche Feb 2017 #4
Yeah, and those motherfuckers also believe that discrimination is up to the states, but a puff of BigDemVoter Feb 2017 #13
I'm glad that I decided to hold a moment... EarthFirst Feb 2017 #2
The fact that they compare SoCalNative Feb 2017 #5
+10000000000000 logosoco Feb 2017 #18
Among many other give aways of their cluelessness Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #23
It's not cluelessness... regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #34
So ignorant... asiliveandbreathe Feb 2017 #6
Need to keep those for-profit prisons filled JenniferJuniper Feb 2017 #10
And to make sure that that we fill them with minorities SFnomad Feb 2017 #14
true true true - but let's not turn on Big Pharma... asiliveandbreathe Feb 2017 #15
Bingo! workinclasszero Feb 2017 #36
And then there's this Flaleftist Feb 2017 #40
Thank you for this! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2017 #41
You're welcome. Flaleftist Feb 2017 #42
Bring it on! bronxiteforever Feb 2017 #7
our state brings in a LOT of $$$... samnsara Feb 2017 #9
Who they bringin in to enforce dem dar laws? angstlessk Feb 2017 #11
good questions that require logic and reason to answer it. bronxiteforever Feb 2017 #21
im buying my grow box now!... samnsara Feb 2017 #8
this fucking administration will put america back in the 1950's spanone Feb 2017 #12
I think you missed the target by about a hundred years. bluedigger Feb 2017 #16
i'm an optimist! spanone Feb 2017 #17
Time to stock up jayschool2013 Feb 2017 #19
Hey young folks Thrill Feb 2017 #20
I Bribed Youngsters @Dispensary w/Tips otohara Feb 2017 #24
So our party should lead on this issue. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #27
Damn right! workinclasszero Feb 2017 #37
Uh, Marijuana did better than either party at the polls last November. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #26
In 2012 otohara Feb 2017 #33
Downvote that idea voteearlyvoteoften Feb 2017 #22
anyone who thinks this will mean "no more weed" is, excuse the phrase, high. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #25
He might even fuck around and turn Alaska blue bravenak Feb 2017 #31
Thats another excellent point. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #38
The states that have legalized should garnish federal tax dollars for lost revenue. roamer65 Feb 2017 #28
Washington will fight Sessions, Trump over legal pot, Inslee says Generic Other Feb 2017 #29
Excellent. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #39
Of course! Not like they want to go after real criminals! Rex Feb 2017 #30
Shit! How can we get through the trump years askyagerz Feb 2017 #32
I knew it was coming workinclasszero Feb 2017 #35

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
13. Yeah, and those motherfuckers also believe that discrimination is up to the states, but a puff of
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 07:02 PM
Feb 2017

weed? FUCK no, or Uncle Pussy Grabber or Uncle KKK will come and get you!

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
2. I'm glad that I decided to hold a moment...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 06:47 PM
Feb 2017

I was very motivated to move a portion of our investments into the cannabis industry in late 2016.

My father is doing rather well with it after a six month run, however even he is cautiously reevaluating his position.

I knew that once Sessions was appointed, things were going to get absurd.

This certainly validates my concerns...

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
34. It's not cluelessness...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:30 PM
Feb 2017

...it's knowing they have the power to do whatever they want, so their rationalizations don't need to make sense.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
6. So ignorant...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 06:48 PM
Feb 2017

Spicer said Trump approves of medical marijuana use — which could help provide relief to the chronically ill — as opposed to recreational use, which Spicer suggested was tied to the opioid crisis many states are currently facing.

Like comparing apples and oranges..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
14. And to make sure that that we fill them with minorities
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 07:03 PM
Feb 2017

Because we can't take their voting rights away from them if we don't lock them up.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
15. true true true - but let's not turn on Big Pharma...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 07:05 PM
Feb 2017

who manufacture the worst opiods..and then turn them loose on the public..looking around..who has been prescribing these opiods and then people become addicted and then had to go into drug rehab...

The disclaimers on TV drug Ads - sound more like the drug will kill you, rather than the ailment itself...

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
36. Bingo!
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:34 PM
Feb 2017

And Big Pharma wants to get us all addicted to the narcotics they manufacture for outrageous prices!

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
40. And then there's this
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 12:01 AM
Feb 2017

Overdoses Fell with Medical Marijuana Legalization

While opioid pain relievers offer critical benefits to certain patients, such as those with cancer-related pain, the rise of opioid prescriptions has had devastating public health consequences. The C.D.C. recently urged physicians to be very cautious in prescribing these drugs.

Meanwhile, access to medical marijuana has expanded rapidly — 24 states and D.C. have legalized its broad medical use — and chronic or severe pain is the most common condition reported among those using it. On it's face, this might seem to mirror the rise in prescription opioid use.

But using state-level death certificate data from 1999 to 2010, my colleagues and I found that the annual rate of opioid overdose deaths decreased substantially — by 25 percent on average — following the passage of medical marijuana laws, compared to states that still had bans. ....(cont.)


http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/04/26/is-marijuana-a-gateway-drug/overdoses-fell-with-medical-marijuana-legalization

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
7. Bring it on!
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 06:50 PM
Feb 2017

Start destroying the western states economically. Plus the wall. There won't be a western GOPer left in office.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
21. good questions that require logic and reason to answer it.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 07:49 PM
Feb 2017

But considering we are talking gopers this policy and execution will lack both!

spanone

(135,841 posts)
12. this fucking administration will put america back in the 1950's
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 07:02 PM
Feb 2017

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jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
19. Time to stock up
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 07:10 PM
Feb 2017

Some good new edibles out there that should keep for a year or two. Combined with just enough smoke and oils, I think I can make it through four years.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
24. I Bribed Youngsters @Dispensary w/Tips
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 09:45 PM
Feb 2017

to go vote for Hillary.

They were all Busters who swore they'd never ever vote for Hillary.
I said, so you all moved to CO to turn us into a red state again because POC didn't choose Sanders?

In the end most voted at my little dispensary but the weed industry here was a breeding ground for Hillary hate.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
37. Damn right!
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:38 PM
Feb 2017

National legalization of MJ and taking it off that BS schedule should be a number one goal of the Democratic party!

Let's make the differences crystal clear between us and the fascists!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
26. Uh, Marijuana did better than either party at the polls last November.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 09:55 PM
Feb 2017
Maybe the question should be to our party at the national level, if we still want to treat this issue like a fringey joke that might alienate soccer moms, or if we want to listen to the clear majority of Americans who support legalization.
 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
33. In 2012
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:29 PM
Feb 2017

more people voted for legalization than they did Obama to the tune of 58,000 if I remember correctly.
2008 53.66%
2012 51.5%

He garnered more votes in 2012 but was down by a couple pts from 08

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. anyone who thinks this will mean "no more weed" is, excuse the phrase, high.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 09:53 PM
Feb 2017

One of the reasons James Cole wrote his memo in the first place, contrary to the narrative pushed by Sessions, etc-- was not because 'Choom Gang' Obama was demanding legal pot, but rather out of the acknowledgement that, for one, the feds can't FORCE individual states to criminalize marijuana, and if the Feds push too hard, the states could actually "go nuclear" and remove all mention of cannabis from their respective laws altogether.

Please read:

http://www.thestranger.com/news/2016/12/21/24755256/one-way-to-protect-washington-states-legal-weed-market-from-trump-burn-it-to-the-ground

What would that mean? It would mean a free for all for weed in those states. No regulation, no enforcement, nothing. The Feds, at the Federal level, DO NOT HAVE the resources to enforce pot laws in the individual states. Sure, they could arrest some people, raid some dispensaries, shut down a grow or two.. but if Trump decides to put his brand- not exactly rating super high right now- all over pot prohibition, does anyone think the voters of Colorado, California, Oregon, Washington, etc wouldn't tell him to fuck off in such a blatant manner?

They could try to interfere with the regimens of legal weed in recreational states- I suspect they will- but their options are limited and not all that appealing from their perspective, I think.

Another point to consider is jury nullification. Where are they going to find Juries west of the rockies willing to send people to prison for pot, at this point? All those red hat wearing yahoos who got all excited when the Malheur people got acquitted--- well, there's your principle of standing up to federal tyranny at the jury level, right?

Um, this would be like that, but times a million. How much taxpayer money are they actually going to spend fighting this?



Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
38. Thats another excellent point.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 11:54 PM
Feb 2017

Despite all the noise about "pot states didnt vote for Trump anyway", CO and NV are still technically important swing states. And, as you note, AK is red.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
28. The states that have legalized should garnish federal tax dollars for lost revenue.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 09:57 PM
Feb 2017

Dollar for dollar.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
29. Washington will fight Sessions, Trump over legal pot, Inslee says
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:00 PM
Feb 2017

OLYMPIA – The next fight between Washington state and the Trump administration may be over legal marijuana.

With newly sworn in U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions on record as a strong opponent of legalizing marijuana, Gov. Jay Inslee said Thursday the state will try to persuade the federal government that states should still be allowed to make that decision.

Washington will present information to the administration and Congress about its experience after voters passed an initiative to allow adults to grow, sell and use recreational marijuana, Inslee said. There has been no major increase in criminal activity or ill health effects reported, he said, and the sales are generating tax revenue for the state.

“Of the five or six fights they want to pick today, or any day, this is not the one they want to have,” Inslee said. “They would be on the wrong side of history.”

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/feb/09/washington-will-fight-sessions-trump-over-legal-po/


IN STATES WITH MEDICAL MARIJUANA, PAINKILLER DEATHS DROP BY 25 PERCENT
It has actually reduced drug abuse, especially pain killers.
http://www.newsweek.com/states-medical-marijuana-painkiller-deaths-drop-25-266577

So he can get the f*uck outta here with his opioid crisis.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
35. I knew it was coming
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:32 PM
Feb 2017

States rights only applies to transgender bathroom laws...Go figure.

This is Trump and the republican reich's big wet kiss to Big Pharma!

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