SOS!!! HELP!!

[cilla4progress]

I just had a horrible frightening 45 minute conversation with a psychotic trumper in my very own home. Brother of a "friend."

He talked about how my Muslim (exchange) daughter is brainwashed yet his born again Christianity is truth. He said whenever he walks down the street the only people who give him shit are black people. I said well maybe it's you because I have lived and worked in many diverse communities and always felt welcome and loved. He said western white European culture is superior to all. I said his views were racist and bigoted. He said he will take to the streets if a mob shuts down free speech like that of yannopolous. He said yannopolous' version of pedophilia was European. I said we are in America. He had an answer for everything. Nothing I said penetrated.

He left me shaking. I had to force them to leave. His sister said the dialogue was good. I said it was not, and those views are not welcome in my home.

I hope I never see the likes of him again.

[k8conant]

1. {{{{cilla4progress}}}}

[sinkingfeeling]

2. I'm willing to bet he's never set foot in Europe. Can he even find it

on a map?

[titaniumsalute]

3. Tell them to get the fuck out of your house

[cilla4progress]

4. I was trying to keep it under control

It's something I think about as a woman

When she gets back in touch with me I am just going to say, your brother seems very scared. I'm sorry.

[Hortensis]

28. You bet. Now forget about it. Times were never

so good that these people weren't among us. We're going to form a larger majority next time, bipartisan, and remove from both national and state power many of the leaders who're encouraging this toxic acting out. Back to the shadows with these creeps.

[GP6971]

5. My BIL is like that

thought I was going to get kicked out of his house one Christmas Eve.

He ranted about everything (this was years ago) about how good dimson was, the Iraq war was good etc., etc., etc.,

I couldn't take it anymore so I finally asked his excellence a couple of questions.

Have you ever worked with an Arab business?
Have you ever had any personal business relationship with an Arab?
Have you ever been in the military?

When he answered no to each question I told him he didn't know what the F**K he was talking about. He turned visibly red and my sister had to intervene.

Overall, one of my fondest memories and he and I haven't talked since.

[cilla4progress]

8. Well this guy never backed down from anything

Oh he has all kinds of friends from every race, of course.

Oh and he's a birther, and facts to back it up.

Also racism didn't start until Obama became president.

[Lotusflower70]

26. Alternate reality

There are no facts to back up being a birther, even Trump acknowledged that President Obama was born here.

[anneboleyn]

6. Everything he said is an alt-right talking point (i am sure he's reading their websites/YouTube)

[MFM008]

7. Spending their lives in mom's basement

And eating spiders have left them with out much worldliness.
My dad being in the USAF got us 4 years in Tripoli, Libya in the 60s.
Muslim culture everywhere.....
As a kid I remember thinking all the poor ladies in black with faces covered must have been burned horribly.
I was afraid to see their faces.
We heard the calls to prayer.
Saw the funerals of people wrapped in blankets or rush. The smell. The food. Camels. Sand. Being chased by a chicken. Swimming in the turquoise waters off the coast
And jumping of mountains of seaweed.
Everyone should have these experiances.
Might help them not to be such bug eating morons...

[Leith]

9. You Lasted About 44 Minutes Longer Than I Would Have

I don't put up with their BS in real life or the internet.

[cilla4progress]

10. I can't believe I did

Caught me off guard. Never talked to one before. The gall! To do it in my own home!

His sister messaged me that he likes lively conversation. I told her it was hateful, negative and intolerant and that I'm not interested!

Also when I told her he seemed scared to me, she read it as scary. Hmmm. Empowering I guess

[NastyRiffraff]

11. This is why I do my best not to engage with Trump supporters

I realize you may have felt trapped because this asshole was your friend's brother. There's no talking to these people; they won't be convinced, they don't know how to listen. This is why I get angry at the recent posts urging us to "reach out" and "understand" these idiots.

Sorry this happened to you, cilla

[cilla4progress]

14. Completely agree

it felt like talking awith someone with a mental illness

At one point I threw out, is the earth flat? He didn't reply.

[wryter2000]

12. You did the right thing

Don't let him in your house again

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

13. I'm inclined to tell you to tell him to go fuck himself.

And has he EVER known anyone not of his limited view?

Do not allow him into your home ever again. Period. You are NOT obligated to put up with such bullshit. He's wrong. He hasn't a clue about anything.

And good for you for standing up to him.

Oh, and is pedophilia really okay in Europe? Honestly? (That's directed at him, not you, of course.)

[cilla4progress]

15. I know. I felt so dirty when he left.

Like after I first heard Sarah Palin in 2007.

The scariest thing for me was I know he was trying to reprogram my brain. The way he kept coming at me with his crazy unsupported statements...Obama's birth certificate has a number on it from Connecticut? WTF.

This is how they operate. This is what Trump is doing. He of course had no impact on me, but when I listened to or read something later in the evening, for awhile it was like my brain processed it differently. Questioned it? I don't know... Questioned my truths, maybe?

Everything I said he came back at with his alternative facts. His positions - he said he just calls a spade a spade. (I'm sure the racial slur was intended.) Meaning, he is the sole possesor of truth.

I'm as game as anyone for healthy political disagreements. This was of a different order. It forever changed me and I will not go there again.

Thanks for the support here.

[LanternWaste]

16. Trump's little fellas are not really getting any discussion from me other than

Trump's little fellas are not really getting any discussion from me other than "Well bless your little heart! You're adorable!" because you're generally correct-- nothing penetrates their little biases (except being trivialized, which I make no justifications for doing... it's petulant on my part, but a petulance I allow myself).

[cilla4progress]

17. I know

in retrospecI could gave handled it differently. I could have just thrown out questions to demonstrate his lunacy: is the earth flat? Did AA's benefit from slavery? Was Hitler just misunderstood?

[LexVegas]

18. White people problems.

[cilla4progress]

34. White people problems?

Don't understand your post. This was largely about my Muslim exchange daughter and the guy's virulent islamophobia.

Appreciate your comment, in any case.

[gratuitous]

19. The shortest answer is usually the best

"You don't know what you're talking about; I'm not interested in discussing this any further. Good-bye."

[PasadenaTrudy]

20. Sounds like a paranoid psychotic, yikes! n/t

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

21. You did well in dealing with a really crappy situation.

It's hard to stand up to this nonsense, but we need to do it.

My sister brought a casual acquaintance of hers over to my parents' house not long after the Katrina disaster. He was going on about how the people who didn't leave deserved to die, those in the Superdome had it great, etc. My husband, my mom, and I all let him know that we disagreed and made it pretty clear that his views were not welcome. Yet, he would not STFU about it.

OK, people are entitled to their opinion, but we thought it was out of line that, once it became clear that his hostess and other family members found his views offensive, he didn't get the hint to just drop the subject.

My mom, who is a Democrat, lives in a red area and so runs into a lot of Rs. She played bridge with a group of women who constantly blabbed RW talking points. Mom and even some Rs asked that politics be off the table, but the RWers had to constantly be reminded. And the RW emails from family and friends were very common. And when Mom would write back to say she disagreed and ask that they please not send her that kind of stuff, they would get offended!

In my experience, Dems are far less likely to bring up politics in "mixed" company. That seems more polite, but I do think they Rs gain ground with their proselytizing vs our polite silence.

[cilla4progress]

22. I agree

I believe this is true across the board. Progressive minded people are more likely to be intuitive, tolerant, and self-aware. Though not all, of course.

[Mc Mike]

23. They're the craziest and the stupidest. But, as repuglicans, they demand the right to

tell everyone how they see things, all the time.

[raccoon]

24. Sorry that happened to you. And that "friend" must have her head up

her ass.

If she thinks that his ranting is "lively conversation" she is in big time denial.

[GliderGuider]

25. That's what 40 years of talk radio does to your brain.

Literally.

Constant talk radio exposure over a long period of time amounts to a variant of a brainwashing technique called "psychic driving", that was developed by the CIA in the 50s for the MK Ultra program. Your friend has literally had his mental logic circuits re-wired. You will never get through to those people. They live in a reality that now operates by different rules.

[cilla4progress]

32. You hit it on the head GG

as always. That's exactly how it felt. And he started to do his number on me in a very short period of time! I think that was the scariest part.

What is the MK Ultra program?

[GliderGuider]

35. MK Ultra

From Wikipedia:

Project MKUltra – sometimes referred to as the CIA's mind control program – is the code name given to a program of experiments on human subjects, at times illegal, designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency. Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations and torture, in order to weaken the individual to force confessions through mind control. Organized through the Scientific Intelligence Division of the CIA, the project coordinated with the Special Operations Division of the U.S. Army's Chemical Corps.

The operation began in the early 1950s, was officially sanctioned in 1953, was reduced in scope in 1964, further curtailed in 1967, and officially halted in 1973. The program engaged in many illegal activities, including the use of unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects, which led to controversy regarding its legitimacy. MKUltra used numerous methodologies to manipulate people's mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD) and other chemicals, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as other forms of psychological torture.

The experiments were exported to Canada when the CIA recruited Scottish psychiatrist Donald Ewen Cameron, creator of the "psychic driving" concept, which the CIA found particularly interesting. Cameron had been hoping to correct schizophrenia by erasing existing memories and reprogramming the psyche.

In addition to LSD, Cameron also experimented with various paralytic drugs as well as electroconvulsive therapy at thirty to forty times the normal power. His "driving" experiments consisted of putting subjects into drug-induced coma for weeks at a time (up to three months in one case) while playing tape loops of noise or simple repetitive statements. His experiments were typically carried out on patients who had entered the institute for minor problems such as anxiety disorders and postpartum depression, many of whom suffered permanently from his actions. Their experiences and subsequent lawsuit was later made into a 1998 television miniseries called The Sleep Room.

While talk radio isn't an exact analog of Cameron's "psychic driving" experiments, it mimics them by using very long-term exposure to a repetitive series of simple messages, with no other conflicting messages available. This reprograms the subjects' worldview and thought patterns.

[Lotusflower70]

27. Simple truth

You can't reason with the unreasonable. Disengage and stay safe.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

29. FUCK. HIM!!!!!!!!!!!

[Squinch]

30. And THIS my dears is why we should not waste our time trying to "understand" these people or

turn these people to our way of thinking.

They are stupid, they are ignorant, they are delusional and they will not be budged.

Do like cilla4progress did: kick them the hell out, and don't let them back in. Then make your daily call to your representatives.

[cilla4progress]

31. Done!

In truth I felt he had some mental illness... sure seemed out of touch with reality.

[okieinpain]

33. so the dude ok'd child rape based on the version. holy crap n/t.