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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis is great. Thank you Mr. President. Good luck in November. Where are the jobs?
God forbid the Court and process orchestrated this news for this particular time. People are hurting. People need health care. People need JOBS.
So, this announcement is bittersweet... to American people who once had jobs, paid for health insurance coverage, which they may not have been able to afford to actually USE ... and that's gone. Health issues don't go away when the job and insurance does.
Unemployment benefits are gone. COBRA is gone. Hope is gone. Cities are going bankrupt. The nation is waiting for the plug to be pulled on the debt held by other countries.
Too Little Too Late and Lesser of Evils aren't working. People are dying. The nation is dying.
This is seen by some as a great achievement for the administration and party and by others as a benefit to private insurers ... and a tax on poor people.
The discouragement is understandable!!
Congratulations. Can we now have a JOBS PROGRAM? How about a TAX ON ALL CORPORATIONS. Those who choose to employ American citizens on American shores will receive an exemption. The funds collected by government can go toward a NATIONAL JOBS PROGRAM that will provide infrastructure and community aid. How about GARDENS IN THE SCHOOLS that can EMPLOY AND FEED AND EDUCATE PEOPLE AND KEEP THEM HEALTHY.
Feeding corporate profits doesn't do that.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Swede
(33,276 posts)nt
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)CleanLucre
(284 posts)If everyone here is employed and needs met and no worries, that's great
dionysus
(26,467 posts)even bring to a vote...
Sid
freshwest
(53,661 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)Wake up.
Spazito
(50,432 posts)Interesting OP.
obamanut2012
(26,099 posts)Agreed.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)since they came into power that Obama has tried to do on jobs. Where is your contempt for them?
Almost included a line about how Repubs have made sure nothing got done so they can claim nothing got done, but this got done, so ...
Actually hoped someone would see the positive and the LOGIC applied to same sort of Opt Out Tax on corporations to improve the nations health.
jillan
(39,451 posts)fake scandal, and try to overturn the Supreme Court.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)CleanLucre
(284 posts)That's why the timing was mentioned. This issue hinges on INCOME
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)that they will vote on before the weekend. This will create 3 MILLION jobs. You didn't hear that?
obamanut2012
(26,099 posts)methinks.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)CleanLucre
(284 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,341 posts)and if that passes and is signed, many many construction jobs come with that.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)that gets it
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)CleanLucre
(284 posts)Let's talk about income so people can benefit from this decision and opt in to health care.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)You remind me of someone. Name escapes me, though.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)and the Republicans are now on the defensive.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)opening up 3 million jobs. He was positive about it. I believe he said as much on Martin Bashir's show yesterday.
uponit7771
(90,353 posts)CleanLucre
(284 posts)owned by lobbyists?
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)And don't bother telling me they're not out there - my husband WAS unem[loyed for 14 months. Now, he's got a job - with benefits.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)for you. Are you paying attention to the community around you? The country? All right.
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)have medicare. I can now get insurance, since they can no longer deny the MILLIONS of us with pre-existing conditions. Thank you for your 'concern'.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)for you. And you don't need to worry about jobs now.
emulatorloo
(44,169 posts)CleanLucre
(284 posts)SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)not the President.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)the house controlled by the GOP won't even bother putting them to a vote.
progree
(10,911 posts)* Under "Obuhmuh" there has been only 27 straight months of private sector job growth.
* Only 2.5 million payroll jobs have been created under Obama since June 2009 (that's when the recession ended according to the NBER, and only 5 months since Obama took office) (thru May 2012 with April and May preliminary) . Bush created 1.1 million payroll jobs in his entire 8 year presidency
* Only 3.1 million private sector jobs were created under Obama since June 2009 (contrast that to 0.7 million private sector jobs lost during the Bush presidency)
As for Bush's record, again, of course, he was doing everything he could to reverse Jimmy Carter's ruinous policies, but them there "Demtards" in Congress were keeping him from doing it. I'm sure Romney will get that straightened out, after all he had the 47th best job creation record as governor of Massachusetts (proving that its possible to do worse, he wasn't 50th you know).
Oh, and the business community is paralyzed by uncertainty about what the next Kenyan socialist edict will befall them. When Bush left office and Obama took office, the S&P 500 was 850. As of noon ET 6/28/12, it is 1315, up a pathetic 55%, and it took over 3 years of "Obummer" policies to make even that small pathetic gain. (That used to be the criteria for a roaring secular bull market, but that was then, this is now, doncha know). Now its true, Bush inherited an S&P 500 of 1343, and left office with it at 850 -- a 37% decline. But that was not for lack of business and investor confidence with Bush, but rather the effects of Carter's Community Reinvestment Act.
S&P 500: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=%5EGSPC+Historical+Prices
Payroll Jobs: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001
Private Sector Employment: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
CleanLucre
(284 posts)A job fair this week had a line of hundreds of people waiting to get in all day. They didn't hear this great news.
progree
(10,911 posts)You are expecting "Obuhmuh" to reverse 8 years of ruinous Republican policies in just 3 1/2 years with no Republican cooperation? Good luck.
it's 30 years of ruinous Republican policies and WRONG no such expectation was mentioned
SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)You may want to reword your OP... it indicates that you are asking Mr. President where the jobs are.
Maybe its a grammatical error.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)The OP addressed him at a moment of leadership as figurehead for more reform, not a whipping boy. Sorry too many choose to take it that way. And ignore what needs to be done to get those jobs bills moving.
progree
(10,911 posts)There would be a lot more people in the job fair line if 4.3 million jobs had not been created in the last 27 months.
{#} Job Loss and Creation - Payroll Jobs
# Payroll Jobs: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001
# Monthly change of above: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
# . . Hint: to see both of the above two together on the same page, go to http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001 and click on the "More Formatting Options" link in the upper right and check the "Original Data Value" and the "1-Month Net Change" checkboxes and click the "Retrieve Data" button halfway down the page on the left
# Private Sector Payroll Employment: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
# Monthly change of above: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001?output_view=net_1mth
# . . Hint: to see both of the above two together on the same page, go to http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
and click on the "More Formatting Options" link in the upper right and check the "Original Data Value" and the "1-Month Net Change" checkboxes and click the "Retrieve Data" button halfway down the page on the left
Factoids:
# Under Obama there have been 27 straight months of private sector job growth, totaling 4.3 million jobs (thru May 2012 with April and May preliminary)
# The economy Bush handed to Obama was losing 760,000 jobs a month (the average of the last 3 months of the Bush presidency)
# 2.5 million payroll jobs have been created under Obama since June 2009 (that's when the recession ended according to the NBER (nber.org, the official arbiter of when the economic turning points occur), and only 5 months since Obama took office) (thru May 2012 with April and May preliminary) . Bush only created 1.1 million payroll jobs in his entire 8 year presidency
# 3.0 million private sector jobs were created under Obama since June 2009 (thru May 2012 with April and May preliminary) (contrast that to Bush destroying 0.7 million private sector jobs during his presidency)
# Bush's record: created 1.1 million payroll jobs - by creating 1.8 million government jobs and destroying 0.7 million private sector jobs. ( the actual numbers are, in thousands: 1,080, 1,753, 0,673 ). Yes, it is ironic that a supposed "small government conservative" ended up creating government jobs and destroying private sector jobs.
# The Clinton economy created 22.7 million payroll jobs of which 20.8 million were in the private sector
klook
(12,164 posts)How come the president, with all his Kenyan Messiah superpowers, hasn't just gone barging into Congress and overturned the money-changers' tables?
MatthewStLouis
(904 posts)It's easy to try to blame everything on one man. It takes a thinking brain to remember that congress has been no help whatsoever in passing a decent jobs plan. All they want is Obama to fail, at the expense of the economy.
Any economist worth his salt will tell you; we need massive infrastructure spending yesterday!
CleanLucre
(284 posts)That's stupid.
Yes "Our partisan congress has done nothing but OBSTRUCT!" what can we do about it?
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Somehow I get the feeling you don't give two shits about the unemployed seeking jobs.
Like the Newt Gingrich idea about employing school kids as gardeners, though.
Maybe they can mow the lawn and shovel snow to pay their keep, too, huh?
don't trip on your assumptions. And FYI there is a lot of community support and benefit for such urban gardening programs including in the schools and BY THE FIRST LADY.
I won't make assumptions about you. Your smugness speaks for itself.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)It is a volunteer effort with public subsidies and support, not employees.
Get it right before you blabber on so.
Tick, tock.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)quit pitching your BS please
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)I love FOX outrage in the morning.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Creating a demand for healthcare, which people did not have before.
And help with health care for people who don't have jobs.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)It will help the corporate insurance industry. And potentially more Americans. Here's hoping.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=869779
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=868469
BBGC
(61 posts)The employment situation is getting better, however, the president can not fix the disaster of 8 years of bush in just 4 years. Bush did more damage to the economy than any president has dreamed of in the past several decades.
I am incredibly impressed at the progress the president has made considering how much the republicans and their corporate friends are doing in order to sabotage him.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)We have to regain the majority in Nov then we can do something substantial.
ecstatic
(32,727 posts)tabatha
(18,795 posts)progree
(10,911 posts)# Payroll Jobs: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001
# Monthly change of above: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
# . . Hint: to see both of the above two together on the same page, go to http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001 and click on the "More Formatting Options" link in the upper right and check the "Original Data Value" and the "1-Month Net Change" checkboxes and click the "Retrieve Data" button halfway down the page on the left
# Private Sector Payroll Employment: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
# Monthly change of above: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001?output_view=net_1mth
# . . Hint: to see both of the above two together on the same page, go to http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
and click on the "More Formatting Options" link in the upper right and check the "Original Data Value" and the "1-Month Net Change" checkboxes and click the "Retrieve Data" button halfway down the page on the left
Factoids:
# Under Obama there have been 27 straight months of private sector job growth, totaling 4.3 million jobs (thru May 2012 with April and May preliminary)
# The economy Bush handed to Obama was losing 760,000 jobs a month (the average of the last 3 months of the Bush presidency)
# 2.5 million payroll jobs have been created under Obama since June 2009 (that's when the recession ended according to the NBER, and only 5 months since Obama took office) (thru May 2012 with April and May preliminary) . Bush only created 1.1 million payroll jobs in his entire 8 year presidency
# 3.0 million private sector jobs were created under Obama since June 2009 (thru May 2012 with April and May preliminary) (contrast that to Bush destroying 0.7 million private sector jobs during his presidency)
# Bush's record: created 1.1 million payroll jobs - by creating 1.8 million government jobs and destroying 0.7 million private sector jobs. ( the actual numbers are, in thousands: 1,080, 1,753, 0,673 ). Yes, it is ironic that a supposed "small government conservative" ended up creating government jobs and destroying private sector jobs.
# The Clinton economy created 22.7 million payroll jobs of which 20.8 million were in the private sector
{#} Job Loss and Creation - Unemployment Rate, Labor Force Participation Rate
# Unemployment Rate, from 1948 on: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
# Labor Force Participation Rate from 1948 on: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
(on both of the above, you can change the "From" and "To" dates to whatever you want at the top center pulldown boxes)
# Unemployment rate, seas adjusted
(All values are January unemployment rates, specifically Jan 1989, Jan 1993, Jan 2001, Jan 2009), with the exception of the current unemployment rate under Obama. You don't want to show the Obama unemployment rate when arguing with a greed-banger).
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.07em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"] Bush I: 5.4% to 7.3%, Change= + 1.9%
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.07em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"] Clinton: 7.3% to 4.2%, Change= - 3.1%
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.07em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"] Bush II: 4.2% to 7.7%, Change= + 3.5%
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.07em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"] Obama: 7.7% to 8.2%, Change= + 0.5% (the last is the May unemployment rate)
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.07em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"] beg.6/09: 9.5% to 8.2%, Change= - 1.3% (beginning June 2009)
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.07em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"] (June 2009, just 5 months after Obama took office, is when the recession ended)
# Under Bush II, the unemployment rate rose by 3.5 pp (percentage points) while the Civilian Labor Force Participation rate fell 1.5 pp: from 67.2% to 65.7% (had the participation rate stayed the same, the unemployment rate would have risen even further). Contrast that to Clinton, where the unemployment rate dropped 3.1 pp while the Civilian Labor Force Participation rate rose by 1.0 pp. Secret information: Under Obama through May 2012 the unemployment rate rose 0.5 pp while the civilian labor force participation rate fell 1.9 pp, from 65.7% to 63.8%
{#} Job Loss and Creation - Unemployment Insurance Claims
# Unemployment insurance initial claims: http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/claims.asp
# It peaked at 667,000 initial claims 3/28/09 (2 months after Obama took office) and since then it has shown a steady improvement.
# Myth: those who have exhausted their unemployment insurance benefits are not counted as unemployed. If they were counted, the official unemployment rate would be much higher (you often hear this claim from the RepubliCONS when a Democratic president is in the White House, and vice versa).
# Fact: the count of the unemployed and the unemployment rate is not a count of those receiving unemployment benefits, nor is unemployment benefit receiver status factored at all into any of the official unemployment rate statistics (U3, U4, U5, U6, etc.). Rather, the unemployment rate is based on a a survey of 60,000 households chosen at random. See: http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm or Google: "Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey"
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Teabagger Republicans in conjunction with the firmly entrenched bought and paid for old guard, like McConnell, have firmly obstructed any attempts to move legislation forward in that area. Hope is gone, my ass. Change Congress in November.
spanone
(135,858 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)CleanLucre
(284 posts)Thank you for the great comments. So what next? What would it take to MAKE our side of the aisle get those things done? Bragging about them "sitting there" doesnt help
progree
(10,911 posts)CleanLucre
(284 posts)all the snotty comments and send a big bag of goo to grease the wheels of gubmint
progree
(10,911 posts)whining and bashing Obama for not creating more than 4.3 million jobs in the last 27 months (as if he didn't try to do more). And be sure to include all your snotty comments in that big bag of goo.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)"And be sure to include all your snotty comments in that big bag of goo."
you need a mirror
No one "bashed" Obama. Don't be so ______up.
progree
(10,911 posts)you need a mirror
No one "bashed" Obama. Don't be so ______up.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)progree
(10,911 posts)"Where's the jobs, Mr. President" is what I read on comments by right-wingers to news articles at places like news.yahoo.com so I get a little upset reading that **** here.
Too Little Too Late and Lesser of Evils aren't working.
Congratulations. Can we now have a JOBS PROGRAM?
progree
(10,911 posts)Title: How do we GET ALL THOSE JOBS BILLS MOVING?
Thank you for the great comments. So what next? What would it take to MAKE our side of the aisle get those things done? Bragging about them "sitting there" doesnt help
and nobody is "bragging" about them sitting there.
Don't be so tardy.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)you're just stirring
progree
(10,911 posts)you're just stirring
What do you expect Obama to do, given that he is president, not a King? (By now you've been informed that the House is in Republican hands and the Senate is far short of a filibuster proof majority).
B Calm
(28,762 posts)they did say before the last election to vote for republicans because new jobs was their number 1 priority and they would focus on it like a lazer.
demwing
(16,916 posts)that's all you gave one of the most historic victories of any modern President...
What the hell do you think an HCR loss would have done to Obama's chances at re-election?
What the hell would a Mitt Romney presidency done to promote any of the progressive or populist issues you included in you post?
What the hell were you doing while Obama put forward a comprehensive jobs bill, which the House killed?
SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)Really, get a clue.
glowing
(12,233 posts)a job's package for a long while now, don't you? They refuse to even consider a vote on a job's package. If the economy sucks, they believe they can win the White House back... They refuse to put the country above politics. Since Pres. Obama won in 2008, the Republicans have been doing everything in their power to stop the President from succeeding... In spite of their evil ways, the economy is sluggishly improving. Despite all the TeaBagging governors and state politicians laying off massive amounts of local and state workers because of budget shortfalls, the private sector seems to be improving in some areas.
With the health care initiative in place, states are going to get some extra help with medicaid funding and will have to hire people to implement the state's plans to comply with the ACA. If we can get a Democratic Congress and Senate again in 2012, we could get a jobs package passed and start building up our infrastructure, investing in technology (green especially), give the younger generation a chance of leaving college without huge sums of loans strapped to their backs, hopefully a progressive tax structure with the richest Americans paying more of their millions and billions back into the system to shore up the debts incurred by the Bush admin reign of terror, have a chance to pass another stimulus bill that would help the state governments fill in their budget shortfalls so that we don't have to lose more teachers, firemen, and police to lay offs. The last stimulus is done spending, and in order to get it passed, 1/2 of the stimulus ended up being tax deductions which isn't the best way to stimulate anything.
If you stick around long enough, you may learn a few things. Then you won't sound like a Fox News talking point.
CleanLucre
(284 posts)it sounds too simple minded to worry thinking of paying a tax and being exempted for being able to afford buying insurance, to those who have no income and not a lot of hope left for the near future.
The nasty voices here all seem pretty comfortable. Thank you for your comment.
blogslut
(38,007 posts)yeah. sure.
Why does this song sound so familiar?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Not letting your selective memories, harsh my mellow.