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Question about the mandate/tax (Original Post) NightWatcher Jun 2012 OP
No, it applies to everyone frazzled Jun 2012 #1
Low income people are exempt... PoliticAverse Jun 2012 #2
Yeah, I just added that on edit while u were posting frazzled Jun 2012 #4
Yes a key point of today's decision was that states can choose to opt out... PoliticAverse Jun 2012 #6
I think most states will choose to expand it. boxman15 Jun 2012 #9
..... handmade34 Jun 2012 #3
thanks for that NightWatcher Jun 2012 #5
The net effect is a big win Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #7
But the Executive Branch has essentially no tools to collect it. Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #8
It is a smokescreen anyways to get the rest of the law to pass....I don't think it's supposed to cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #10
The tax is collectible by deducting it from any income tax refund you receive. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2012 #11

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
1. No, it applies to everyone
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:51 AM
Jun 2012

2014
Penalty is $95 per adult
and $47.50 per child (up
to $285 for a family) or
1.0% of family income,
whichever is greater.
2015
Penalty is $325 per adult
and $162.50 per child (up
to $975 for a family) or
2.0% of family income,
whichever is greater.
2016 and Beyond
Penalty is $695 per adult
and $347.50 per child (up
to $2,085 for a family) or
2.5% of family income,
whichever is greater.

Exceptions:

There is no
penalty for being
without health
insurance if:
· You are part of a religion opposed to
acceptance of benefits from a health
insurance policy.
· You are an undocumented immigrant.
· You are incarcerated.
· You are a member of an Indian tribe.
· Your family income is below the threshold
requiring you to file a tax return ($9,350 for
an individual, $18,700 for a family in 2010).
· You have to pay more than 8% of your
income for health insurance, after taking into
account any employer contributions or tax
credits.



http://healthreform.kff.org/~/media/Files/KHS/Flowcharts/requirement_flowchart_2.pdf

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. Low income people are exempt...
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:53 AM
Jun 2012

• Exemptions will be granted for financial
hardship, religious objections, American Indians, those without coverage for less than three months,
undocumented immigrants, incarcerated individuals, those for whom the lowest cost plan option
exceeds 8% of an individual’s income, and those with incomes below the tax filing threshold (in 2009
the threshold for taxpayers under age 65 was $9,350 for singles and $18,700 for couples).

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
4. Yeah, I just added that on edit while u were posting
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:55 AM
Jun 2012

But thanks for bringing that up.

It should also be noted that people whose incomes fall below the tax filing threshhold would be eligible for Medicaid extension: that is, IF they live in a state that chooses to expand Medicaid!

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
6. Yes a key point of today's decision was that states can choose to opt out...
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:58 AM
Jun 2012

of the medicaid expansion without losing their current medicaid funding.

boxman15

(1,033 posts)
9. I think most states will choose to expand it.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:11 AM
Jun 2012

The incentives to do so still stand, it's just the threat of no Medicaid at all that was taken out.

That being said, this is the key point we'll have to watch over the next couple years. It makes a Democratic Congress more essential, since if many states don't expand Medicaid, an alternative will need to be crafted. But I don't think we'll have to worry about that.

handmade34

(22,757 posts)
3. .....
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:53 AM
Jun 2012

The “individual responsibility” section of the law requires that individuals who can
afford to do so maintain a minimum level of coverage, or else pay a tax penalty.
Many types of coverage, including employer-sponsored and individually purchased
private plans, Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, and military and veterans’ plans can meet
this requirement. The following people are exempt from the individual responsibility
requirements: people with low incomes who are not required to file taxes; members
of certain religions that are exempted for religious reasons; people who are
incarcerated, people who are not legal residents; members of an Indian tribe, people
who go without coverage for less than three months; and people who do not have an
affordable offer of coverage, either through the exchange or through their employer.
In this case, coverage is considered “affordable”

if the monthly premium does not
consume more than 8 percent of a family’s income in 2014 (indexed in later years to
account for both premium and wage increases). Individuals who do not fall into any of
the categories listed above, but who would face hardship if they purchased coverage,
may file for an exemption from the individual responsibility requirements.
The penalties for individuals who do not maintain coverage will phase in over time.
In 2014, people who forgo insurance for the year will pay the greater of: a) $95
per adult family member without coverage (and half that amount for each child),
up to a maximum of three times that amount for a family ($285); or b) 1 percent of
their taxable household income. In 2016, the amounts are $695 per adult family
member without coverage, up to a maximum of $2,085 for a family, or 2.5 percent of
taxable income. Whether a family pays the flat-dollar penalty or a penalty based on
a percentage of taxable income, the penalty they pay will never exceed the national
average cost of covering the family through a bronze plan sold in the exchange.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. thanks for that
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:56 AM
Jun 2012

I'm good. My wife and child are covered under her work and I'm covered by medicaid and medicare in two years.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
7. The net effect is a big win
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:58 AM
Jun 2012

for the people of the United States. Most will not see the benefits right now, but soon enough!

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
8. But the Executive Branch has essentially no tools to collect it.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:06 AM
Jun 2012

‘‘(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty im- posed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
‘‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—The Sec- retary shall not—
‘‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the pen- alty imposed by this section, or
‘‘(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.’’.

So even if you are legally liable for the tax, the IRS cannot levy, lien or garnish anything and they cannot arrest or incarcerate you for failure to pay.

If we ever get sanity back in the Congress, this should be amended to give the bill some real teeth. If people don't buy insurance because they know the tax isn't collectible, then the whole purpose of the mandate is illusory.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
10. It is a smokescreen anyways to get the rest of the law to pass....I don't think it's supposed to
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:13 AM
Jun 2012

have teeth.

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