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LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:36 AM Jun 2012

In a nutshell Roberts knew that if they repealed healthcare coverage for millions who got coverage..

under ACA that it would be a massive hit AGAINST the GOP.

Think about it. The GOP would end up the big losers in the 2012 campaign if millions of people suddenly lost their healthcare coverage and prescription drugs for seniors skyrocketed. Obama was smart to make sure some of the features of his healthcare plan were enabled almost immediately - once these people had healthcare and cheaper prescription drugs it would be alot harder for the Supreme Court/GOP to take it away.

I think Roberts agreed to bit the bullet and let Obamacare stay. Notice how they gave the results of Citizen United first so at least the GOP was appeased on something. Usually Kennedy is the crossover but Roberts took the lead here.

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In a nutshell Roberts knew that if they repealed healthcare coverage for millions who got coverage.. (Original Post) LynneSin Jun 2012 OP
i think it might have done irreparable damange against the SCOTUS, which is already perceived hlthe2b Jun 2012 #1
That could be true. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #2
As far as am concerned they are still not to be trusted. Whatever high opinion I had of the high southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #3
As long as Scalia & Thomas are on the court the reputation will always be low LynneSin Jun 2012 #4
and Alito southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #20
My guess is that Roberts was trying to salvage the court's reputation. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2012 #5
I think that is a huge part of Roberts' vote. hifiguy Jun 2012 #15
'Zackly. If you're the CJ that court has your name on it The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2012 #16
Wait...so the other wing-nut judges did not know that? Marzupialis Jun 2012 #6
It only took one. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #8
GOP only needed one person to cross LynneSin Jun 2012 #9
Oh. A conspiracy I see Marzupialis Jun 2012 #10
The fact that Roberts crossed-over makes me think there is more to meet the eyes LynneSin Jun 2012 #11
If the ACA went down it was bad for the GOP then if it was upheld it's better for the GOP? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #7
GOP needs their boogieman for the 2012 campaign and that's 'Obamacare' LynneSin Jun 2012 #13
And it served them well in 2010. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #14
Republicans lost. Democrats won. Losers always look worse than winners. randome Jun 2012 #12
I agree. JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #17
I heard that Kennedy has become Scalia's little Opus Dei buddy. Arugula Latte Jun 2012 #18
true he has been a disappointment recently LynneSin Jun 2012 #19
I tend to think that he was afraid of tsuki Jun 2012 #21
If that had been the view that caused the decision, then the other conservatives would've jumped on Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #22

hlthe2b

(102,334 posts)
1. i think it might have done irreparable damange against the SCOTUS, which is already perceived
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:37 AM
Jun 2012

at an all time low.

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
2. That could be true.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:39 AM
Jun 2012

I may have been self preservation.

This will and already is pushing the Republicans to work hard to defeat Obama.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
3. As far as am concerned they are still not to be trusted. Whatever high opinion I had of the high
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:44 AM
Jun 2012

court was lost in 2000 when they stold the election for Bush.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
4. As long as Scalia & Thomas are on the court the reputation will always be low
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:45 AM
Jun 2012

Two of the biggest losers ever appointed to the Supreme Court

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,809 posts)
5. My guess is that Roberts was trying to salvage the court's reputation.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:45 AM
Jun 2012

They had become so baldly political (thanks in particular to Fat Tony and his silent sidekick) that they were quickly losing public respect. I don't think Roberts wanted to be the CJ who presided over the most nakedly biased and intellectually dishonest Supreme Court in history.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
15. I think that is a huge part of Roberts' vote.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:14 AM
Jun 2012

He is a Chief Justice. Chief Justices are held to a different standard. I saw an interview with him on CSPAN a few months ago and he talked about the need to preserve the legitimacy of the court. He specifically discussed the Dred Scott case as a grievous self-inflicted wound to the Court. He does not want to bask in the same historical stench that surrounds the author of Dred Scott, Chief Justice Roger Taney, who is now remembered for nothing else.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,809 posts)
16. 'Zackly. If you're the CJ that court has your name on it
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:37 AM
Jun 2012

so your own reputation is at stake. And if "the Roberts court," or a particular bloc of it, is generally regarded as partisan to the point of absurdity - which is where it's been headed; see, e.g., Arizona v. United States, 567 U.S. __, June 25, 2012 (Scalia, J. dissenting), that does not reflect well on Roberts, C.J. I think he decided he'd better rein in the runaway horses. Or asses, to be more accurate.

 

Marzupialis

(398 posts)
6. Wait...so the other wing-nut judges did not know that?
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:48 AM
Jun 2012

How does it work? Is Roberts a GOP lover while the other judges are not?

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
9. GOP only needed one person to cross
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:56 AM
Jun 2012

Roberts is probably having his name slaughtered at sites like the Free Republic. They just needed one to switch to the left and Roberts took the hit so the others won't be smeared.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
11. The fact that Roberts crossed-over makes me think there is more to meet the eyes
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:06 AM
Jun 2012

If it was Kennedy I wouldn't have been surprised. Kennedy tends to be a swing vote from time to time.

GOP needs the 'Obamacare Boogeyman' to help them win this election in 2012. And what they don't need is a bunch of pissed of seniors and young voters who suddenly lost their cheap prescriptions/health insurance looking to blame someone for their loss.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
7. If the ACA went down it was bad for the GOP then if it was upheld it's better for the GOP?
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:51 AM
Jun 2012

I fear you may be more correct than you know.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
13. GOP needs their boogieman for the 2012 campaign and that's 'Obamacare'
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:07 AM
Jun 2012

they now can campaign about how the SCOTUS is biased, a bastion of liberals and that only a GOP president with GOP congress can finally correct the sins of this 'travesty'

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. Republicans lost. Democrats won. Losers always look worse than winners.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:07 AM
Jun 2012

It's the politics of perception.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
18. I heard that Kennedy has become Scalia's little Opus Dei buddy.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:45 AM
Jun 2012

He's under Scalia's evil spell more than ever these days.

tsuki

(11,994 posts)
21. I tend to think that he was afraid of
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:27 PM
Jun 2012

Medicare for All.

As a small business person, health insurance is a nightmare. When I was in business, I carried one health policy for the employee at work, one when they drove a truck, one when they were not working and a future retirement policy, the bargain at 1.45%, Medicare. The huge profits would be jeopardized under Medicare for All. The Insurance Industry knows this.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. If that had been the view that caused the decision, then the other conservatives would've jumped on
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:30 PM
Jun 2012

board, and the Dems would not have.

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