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Thank you Chief Justice John Roberts (Original Post) aintitfunny Jun 2012 OP
Yeah, he really came through. n/t cynatnite Jun 2012 #1
I think Roberts recognized there would be a serious revolt on his hands... LynneSin Jun 2012 #2
Nah, I don't think the "fearless champion of the overdog" liberalhistorian Jun 2012 #12
Exactly! Roberts was the volunteer, I guess. The others have to keep up the act that they sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #30
I think you are right aintitfunny Jun 2012 #15
His voting to uphold it makes the victory all the more delicious! Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #3
Roberts voted as he did for one reason. hifiguy Jun 2012 #4
That's my take, too. sadbear Jun 2012 #8
Yup. Just as Warren Burger had to, and did, set aside his politics hifiguy Jun 2012 #16
Still, part of that means he at least can DevonRex Jun 2012 #29
Yep. He really had no choice here. nt Zorra Jun 2012 #13
Because he's a corporate tool is WHY he voted for it. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #33
He basically cemented President Obama's reelection. cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #5
Justice prevails Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #6
And Kennedy's dissent declares the entire law invalid Recursion Jun 2012 #7
Neither did I mvd Jun 2012 #9
The tax redefinition is 6-3 Recursion Jun 2012 #10
Ok, thanks mvd Jun 2012 #14
He's an odd duck, that one. Nt DevonRex Jun 2012 #31
Maybe he is feeling a bit guilty about unleashing Citizens United on us. n/t Bonhomme Richard Jun 2012 #11
Many reasons for Roberts' siding with the majority Bake Jun 2012 #17
Four, he wants to avoid bringing up Universal Health Care before the election. Octafish Jun 2012 #18
Excellent point. Bake Jun 2012 #19
Thanks, Bake! I can't overstate how low Roberts and Crew are. Octafish Jun 2012 #21
Or maybe he thought that the law led to the conclusion he made treestar Jun 2012 #23
I'm grateful about the ruling. Ship of Fools Jun 2012 #20
Yes, for following the law rather than what might be personal opinion treestar Jun 2012 #22
I knew he was the wild card in all this NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #24
I trust him about as far as I can throw him. Sirveri Jun 2012 #25
Probably the CEOs of the HC corporations explained to Roberts which way SDjack Jun 2012 #26
About Roberts' possible motivations Inuca Jun 2012 #27
Oh boy... whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #28
I'd probably qualify your gratitude--it looks like he had a motive in doing so-to continue to weaken hlthe2b Jun 2012 #32
I agree. He did the right thing but having said that he did not abandon his pro-corporation stance jwirr Jun 2012 #34
Narrowly averted disaster! rbookstein Jun 2012 #35
Hear, hear. Laelth Jun 2012 #36

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
2. I think Roberts recognized there would be a serious revolt on his hands...
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:29 AM
Jun 2012

if he took away the health insurance of the millions of people who are covered by Obama's healthcare plan.

liberalhistorian

(20,819 posts)
12. Nah, I don't think the "fearless champion of the overdog"
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:37 AM
Jun 2012

gives a shit about that. I think what swayed him was the fact that the majority of major insurance companies were for it and made clear their opposition to it being struck down and THAT, the business interests, was what he really cared about. Had they been against it, he probably would have been as well.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
30. Exactly! Roberts was the volunteer, I guess. The others have to keep up the act that they
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 04:02 PM
Jun 2012

care about their Freeper supporters.

The Corps always win, especially with this court.

aintitfunny

(1,421 posts)
15. I think you are right
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:43 AM
Jun 2012

I do not think this was his personal political preference. This is a political court. It is sad in a way that we actually appreciate someone fulfilling their job requirements! But hell, I'll take it and be grateful!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,428 posts)
3. His voting to uphold it makes the victory all the more delicious!
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:29 AM
Jun 2012

Surprised that Kennedy didn't vote to uphold it too.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
4. Roberts voted as he did for one reason.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:29 AM
Jun 2012

He doesn't want to share the historical stench attached to Roger Taney, who authored the Dred Scott decision. Roberts is a corporate tool, but he is smart enough to have a sense of history and legacy.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
8. That's my take, too.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:31 AM
Jun 2012

He's still a ruthug douche, but it's all about history and the legacy of his court. He's smart enough to know this.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
16. Yup. Just as Warren Burger had to, and did, set aside his politics
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:53 AM
Jun 2012

in U.S. v. Nixon to preserve the legitimacy of the Court as an institution, Roberts did so here. Chief Justices tend to get the fine-tooth-comb treatment from historians, unlike most other justices save for a few giants like Holmes, Brandeis, Black and Brennan. Roberts does not want to see himself mocked by future generations.

I must give the CJ credit for having a sense of history, if little else.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
29. Still, part of that means he at least can
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 04:01 PM
Jun 2012

Recognize bad when he sees it. Really, really bad anyway. People dying kind of bad. That's something to be grateful for when there were 3 who couldn't.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
33. Because he's a corporate tool is WHY he voted for it.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 04:05 PM
Jun 2012

Did anyone really think they would allow the Mandate, something the Heritage Foundation worked so for for so long, to go away?

But they were in a bind. The Conservatives, I mean. Whether to make the Dem President look bad, or to uphold the profit margin for the Corporate handlers.

In the end, money won as it always does. And the others get to say they voted against Obama. Everyone wins, except the people. Most importantly, the Corps win.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
17. Many reasons for Roberts' siding with the majority
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:56 AM
Jun 2012

One, he's concerned about the Court's standing in public opinion--the public's respect for the Court, and its legacy.

Two, the insurance companies got him to protect their profits.

Three, maybe--just maybe--he wanted to do the right thing.

Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others.

Bake

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. Four, he wants to avoid bringing up Universal Health Care before the election.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:08 AM
Jun 2012

That's a winning theme for liberals and progressives, the Old Democrats.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
21. Thanks, Bake! I can't overstate how low Roberts and Crew are.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:32 AM
Jun 2012

The guy's appointment trumped Scalia for the top slot -- and the Reich pretty much owed Tony Supremo everything in 2000.

Should things go their way in November, the pukes'll have the horses they need to protect the filthy property holders for whom they toil.

Ship of Fools

(1,453 posts)
20. I'm grateful about the ruling.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:13 AM
Jun 2012

As far as SCOTUS goes, the Fab Five can burn in hell for making
our country a laughingstock.

Just one woman's opinion.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
22. Yes, for following the law rather than what might be personal opinion
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:33 AM
Jun 2012

Impartiality is what judicial decisions are all about.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
25. I trust him about as far as I can throw him.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:44 PM
Jun 2012

I have zero confidence that he did this for the benefit of the country or anyone other than himself or his political/corporate masters.

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
26. Probably the CEOs of the HC corporations explained to Roberts which way
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jun 2012

the wind blows. The ACA is the best they can hope for, so don't give the DEMs another chance to go "single provider." He didn't do it for the people -- he did it for the companies.

hlthe2b

(102,334 posts)
32. I'd probably qualify your gratitude--it looks like he had a motive in doing so-to continue to weaken
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 04:05 PM
Jun 2012

and essentially dismantle the commerce clause. As the staunch corporatist, that he is, this does not surprise me if true.


That said, he still is going to take some heat for crossing his RW overlords, since few outside academic Federalist society circles, would "see" the big picture that he is trying to accomplish.

Still, I'll take today's victory and reserve my contempt for Scalia, Alito, Kennedy. He gets a pass today.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
34. I agree. He did the right thing but having said that he did not abandon his pro-corporation stance
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 04:11 PM
Jun 2012

because healt care and health care insurance are part of the way the health industry makes their money. So I can see why he came down on our side for a change.

rbookstein

(1 post)
35. Narrowly averted disaster!
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 05:02 PM
Jun 2012

It was horrifying close to going the other way. Four conservative scumbuckets wanted to invalidate the entire law.

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