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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:16 PM Feb 2017

Aetna CEO: Obamacare markets are in a 'death spiral'

Aetna CEO: Obamacare markets are in a 'death spiral'
By Paul Demko 02/15/17 09:54 AM EST

Obamacare is in a “death spiral,” the influential CEO of Aetna, Mark Bertolini, declared Wednesday morning.

Bertolini’s doomsday prophesy: More insurers will pull out of the government-run marketplaces in the coming weeks and many areas will have no insurers to provide Affordable Care Act coverage in 2018.

“It’s not going to get any better; it’s getting worse,” Bertolini said in an interview at a Wall Street Journal event.
But he declined to say whether Aetna would completely pull out of Obamacare markets next year, though he said the population of covered people in the marketplaces has skewed older and sicker than expected.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/obamacare-market-death-spiral-aetna-mark-bertolini-235041
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Aetna CEO: Obamacare markets are in a 'death spiral' (Original Post) workinclasszero Feb 2017 OP
The Rubio poison pill worked. They will kill citizens if they have to Eliot Rosewater Feb 2017 #1
Funny how the "Pro-Life" republicans workinclasszero Feb 2017 #4
Pro-Fetus atreides1 Feb 2017 #10
And as soon as that baby is born workinclasszero Feb 2017 #14
These fuckers will be the ones to force single payer. Dawson Leery Feb 2017 #2
We will have single payer or workinclasszero Feb 2017 #5
Get these insurance companies out of my health care decisions ASAP. rgbecker Feb 2017 #22
Translation: SticksnStones Feb 2017 #3
Bingo workinclasszero Feb 2017 #8
The way they complain: SticksnStones Feb 2017 #11
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2017 #21
Yay, glad to see our leaders are still clinging to 20th century problem solving. HughBeaumont Feb 2017 #6
Yep. Insanity of treating as it is. . . pat_k Feb 2017 #9
No choice then-- replacement must be universal health care pat_k Feb 2017 #7
Funny how that works Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2017 #12
No, the problems and the angst predated Trump. Look at Minnesota Yo_Mama Feb 2017 #20
Health Insurance is not Health Care. Health Care Shouldn't be a Money-Making Operation. jalan48 Feb 2017 #13
I agree..this should not be for profit !!!!!! No kind of insurance should because they are only in TrekLuver Feb 2017 #15
Then shut down Aetna Dem2 Feb 2017 #16
Aetna CEO received $27.9 million in compensation in 2015. Tanuki Feb 2017 #17
Health insurance companies should be referred to as death insurance companies. As opposed to the Lint Head Feb 2017 #18
Another deplorable JMCoast Feb 2017 #19

Eliot Rosewater

(31,125 posts)
1. The Rubio poison pill worked. They will kill citizens if they have to
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:18 PM
Feb 2017

before they will allow Obama to have a positive legacy.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
14. And as soon as that baby is born
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:35 PM
Feb 2017

The "pro-lifers" will gladly let it starve to death or die from lack of health care.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
2. These fuckers will be the ones to force single payer.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:20 PM
Feb 2017

Rationally, we would build the system state by state. Since that is not happening and insurance is once again fucking around, single payer may come in a few years by force.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
5. We will have single payer or
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:25 PM
Feb 2017

only the rich will have any health care.

Of course barring a revolution from the streets I don't see the republican controlled federal government giving that to us anytime soon.

rgbecker

(4,834 posts)
22. Get these insurance companies out of my health care decisions ASAP.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 04:08 PM
Feb 2017

Good Riddance Aetna and Humana and the rest. Leave it to Americans to organize a payment system that works for Americans rather than private companies which could be owned by anyone, including terrorists.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
3. Translation:
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:23 PM
Feb 2017

If we can't maintain the same obscene level of profit, then we will do all we can to destroy the healthcare system.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
8. Bingo
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:29 PM
Feb 2017

Insurance is not there to help you with health care costs, its there to take obscene amounts of money from us with little to no payouts.

The republicans will gladly assist the fucking insurance companies in their greed soaked pursuit, have no doubt!

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
11. The way they complain:
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:32 PM
Feb 2017

"But there's sooo many sick people"

Hey pal, if sick people are viewed as an obstacle, there's something very wrong with your industry.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
6. Yay, glad to see our leaders are still clinging to 20th century problem solving.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:25 PM
Feb 2017
Health care is a human right. Get with the program or get run the fuck over.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
7. No choice then-- replacement must be universal health care
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:28 PM
Feb 2017

To bad right-wingnuts will never do the rational thing.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,445 posts)
12. Funny how that works
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:33 PM
Feb 2017

Trump/GOP come into complete power threatening to repeal ACA and now ACA is in a "death spiral"?

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
20. No, the problems and the angst predated Trump. Look at Minnesota
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 04:02 PM
Feb 2017
http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2016-10-12/democratic-governor-health-law-no-longer-affordable
Minnesota wholly embraced the health care under Dayton, creating a state-run online market exchange for shoppers who aren't covered by employers or public programs to buy individual coverage. When those policies first went on sale in 2013, Dayton and state officials proudly touted the lowest health insurance rates in the nation.

But after several years of steadily increasing premiums, top state regulators said this fall that Minnesota's individual market is in "a state of emergency." The state scrambled to stop all seven companies that sell insurance directly to consumers or through the state exchange, MNsure, from fleeing for 2017, but the state's largest insurer is still exiting.

Health care insurance shoppers will see premium increases that range from 50 percent to 67 percent on their plans for next year.


Aetna has sour grapes, that is true. But an increasing number of areas countrywide are in a death spiral. Many rural counties are losing choices, and that puts the insurance companies in control of the state regulators.

ACA needs fundamental reform, and some of its greatest supporters are saying that in closed circles.

More detail on Minnesota. The final compromise is that rate hikes were so extreme that the state is going to cover 25% for individuals with individual coverage who are not eligible for the federal subsidies:
https://www.healthinsurance.org/minnesota-state-health-insurance-exchange/
 

TrekLuver

(2,573 posts)
15. I agree..this should not be for profit !!!!!! No kind of insurance should because they are only in
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:36 PM
Feb 2017

the business of denying claims.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
16. Then shut down Aetna
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:38 PM
Feb 2017

They're the worst effing a-hole "insurance" company anyway. Fuck 'em. Destroy them.

Tanuki

(14,923 posts)
17. Aetna CEO received $27.9 million in compensation in 2015.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:40 PM
Feb 2017

Obamacare is not the problem.


http://www.courant.com/business/connecticut-insurance/hc-aetna-executives-pay-20160408-story.html

..."Aetna Chairman and CEO Mark Bertolini received $27.9 million in compensation last year, according to a filing Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

.......Other executives received the following compensation:

Chief Financial Officer/Chief Enterprise Risk Officer Shawn Guertin: $5.59 million, not including $4.2 million in restricted stock and stock options;

Consumer Health and Services Executive Vice President Gary Loveman: $480,782, not including $7.5 million in restricted stock and stock options;

President Karen Lynch: $8.7 million, not including $2.7 million in restricted stock and stock options;

Government Services Executive Vice President Francis Soistman Jr.: $3.3 million, not including $3 million in restricted stock and stock options."

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
18. Health insurance companies should be referred to as death insurance companies. As opposed to the
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:45 PM
Feb 2017

companies who sell life insurance for the actuality of death. Insurance companies would love a system where they never have to pay out a health insurance claim. Just pay us and hope you don't die if you can afford it. Otherwise DIE.

JMCoast

(37 posts)
19. Another deplorable
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:53 PM
Feb 2017

CEO who is all pissed off because his merger with Humana was called off. Poor guy, must be worried about less millions coming his way. All the more reason to implement Medicare for all. Get these bastards out of our health care!

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