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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:15 PM Jun 2012

Has the NRA purchased the contempt vote of 30 Democrats? This is what the allegation

is as reported on Tweety's show. The threat to defeat them in their next election seems to have them running with their tales between their legs.

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Has the NRA purchased the contempt vote of 30 Democrats? This is what the allegation (Original Post) mfcorey1 Jun 2012 OP
it's embarassing the power they have in congress. it's also amazing we tolerate it. spanone Jun 2012 #1
They energize and mobilize voters hack89 Jun 2012 #5
Sure, because TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #7
If the Democratic party can't come to grips with the notion hack89 Jun 2012 #8
Then so be it. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #10
I happen to enjoy seeing Democrats in power hack89 Jun 2012 #12
Then reconsider praising NRA which promotes defeat of Obama and Hoyt Jun 2012 #35
Where have I praised the NRA? nt hack89 Jun 2012 #37
Seeing how many pro-2A Democrats can be found it is a disgrace Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #57
Pro-2nd Amendment and supporting gun bans? NickB79 Jun 2012 #65
In artfully worded Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #66
Ah, ok. I mis-interpreted your post. Sorry bout that. nt NickB79 Jun 2012 #67
No need for apologies. Your question was perfectly valid. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #68
Big guns are a unifying force in this country. demosincebirth Jun 2012 #54
Representative democracy means representatives do what their voters say. It's not wrong. freshwest Jun 2012 #78
NRA letter said this contempt vote would be scored. madashelltoo Jun 2012 #2
Seriously? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #58
Not talking about publicizing the vote. madashelltoo Jun 2012 #61
Retribution or reward should follow votes Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #63
If TRUE it is MORE CORRUPTION clang1 Jun 2012 #3
This is not corruption, this is "caving" to your constituents JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2012 #59
There's just one problem. Scootaloo Jun 2012 #76
The NRA has power beyond belief SoutherDem Jun 2012 #4
Pretty amazing considering how few members they actually have. hack89 Jun 2012 #17
It's not the size of their membership, it's the size of their bankroll. russspeakeasy Jun 2012 #26
How big is their bankroll compared to progressive groups or unions? nt hack89 Jun 2012 #32
I think with leadership that includes Grover Norquist, John Bolton, T Nugent, and Hoyt Jun 2012 #38
So it is because no prominent, powerful Democrats oppose the NRA view on guns hack89 Jun 2012 #40
Money in politics doesn't just mean legalized bribery, but also legalized extortion. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2012 #56
Gun-religionists bongbong Jun 2012 #6
Millions of Democrats own guns. hack89 Jun 2012 #9
NRA = GOP TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #11
Yet millions of Democrats own guns and are not GOP hack89 Jun 2012 #14
Big Difference Between Gun Owners And Gun Militants. Paladin Jun 2012 #18
No - what is the dividing line? hack89 Jun 2012 #22
Start bongbong Jun 2012 #29
Please stop lying about me hack89 Jun 2012 #36
Right. We might well be better off if we had put the brakes on a few decades ago. Hoyt Jun 2012 #43
Way too late for that. LAGC Jun 2012 #46
So you do recognize that gun violence rates have and continue to deline? ok. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #48
But not because more are packing. Think how much less violent crime would be Hoyt Jun 2012 #49
Think how many lives would be saved if we ban hack89 Jun 2012 #51
So just give up bongbong Jun 2012 #70
The rest of America has moved on. hack89 Jun 2012 #73
WRONG! bongbong Jun 2012 #69
Yet you have been completely unable to provide any proof. hack89 Jun 2012 #71
As always - logic fail for you bongbong Jun 2012 #72
Lets look at your "logic" shall we? hack89 Jun 2012 #74
There Are A Good Number Of Democratic Gun Owners. Paladin Jun 2012 #52
There are extremists on both sides of the issue here at DU hack89 Jun 2012 #60
Naivety on display...eom Kolesar Jun 2012 #27
Just reality - or are you not paying attention to what is happening in Congress? hack89 Jun 2012 #31
This isn't about gun ownership. I don't care that much about that issue. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #13
So how am I to take the "gun-religionist" comment? hack89 Jun 2012 #16
There are plenty of "Second Amendment Democrats," if that's a term. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #19
So American civil liberties must be curtailed because of out of control crime in Mexico? hack89 Jun 2012 #25
Any liberty must be and is properly curtailed when it harms another. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #44
Most of Mexico's illegal guns come from south of their border, not north. LAGC Jun 2012 #47
The Mexican government estimates 2000 weapons a day cross our border into Mexico. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #75
The issue is how those regulations are being implemented hack89 Jun 2012 #79
Regulations "implemented by executive fiat"? Hooboy. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #80
When it comes to enumerated rights. hack89 Jun 2012 #81
What right of yours is violated by any specific regulation attempting to curb 2000 weapons a day Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #82
I am talking about the process in general hack89 Jun 2012 #83
But only through legislation hack89 Jun 2012 #50
I'm a loyal Dem and gun owner. Bake Jun 2012 #62
If you don't want to be treated as a gun-worshiper, the solution is simple. baldguy Jun 2012 #20
So what are good Democratic gun policies? nt hack89 Jun 2012 #23
It certainly isn't pretending that the GOP/NRA witch-hunt against Eric Holder baldguy Jun 2012 #28
I agree with you. hack89 Jun 2012 #33
Then you're contradicting yourself. baldguy Jun 2012 #34
No - what is happening with Holder is pure partisan politics hack89 Jun 2012 #39
People reading this should click on the links with your posts & judge for themselves. baldguy Jun 2012 #41
No where have I supported the NRA's pressure on congress and their vote on Holder. hack89 Jun 2012 #42
I have a guns. Jack Sprat Jun 2012 #21
I agree with you about the NRA. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #24
+1000 YoungDemCA Jun 2012 #15
When the NRA says "we'll be watching".. it's less of a purchase than it is a threat notadmblnd Jun 2012 #30
The NRA is a domestic terrorist organization. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #45
They probalbly won their last election by razor thin margins demosincebirth Jun 2012 #53
No. The problem is that these congressman have constituencies that listen to the NRA badtoworse Jun 2012 #55
Profiles in Cowardice CanonRay Jun 2012 #64
The NRA is a bully organization with bully at the helm. Lint Head Jun 2012 #77

hack89

(39,171 posts)
5. They energize and mobilize voters
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:25 PM
Jun 2012

the various gun control groups don't. It is as simple as that. There is no Democratic group that can act as a counterweight to the NRA when it comes to guns.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
8. If the Democratic party can't come to grips with the notion
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:02 PM
Jun 2012

that they will need the votes of millions of those paranoids to control congress and the White House and find a way to energize them instead of the NRA, then the future looks grim.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
12. I happen to enjoy seeing Democrats in power
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:10 PM
Jun 2012

I may not feel as self righteous as you do but then I have kids whose future I care about. A future that requires good Democrats running our country.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
35. Then reconsider praising NRA which promotes defeat of Obama and
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:10 PM
Jun 2012

Includes right wingers like Grover Norquist, Teddy Nugent, Wayne LaPierre, etc., among leadership.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
57. Seeing how many pro-2A Democrats can be found it is a disgrace
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:39 AM
Jun 2012

we don't have a Democrat version of the NRA that supports Democrats who are pro-2A and encourages Democrats who might consider gun bans as acceptable to change their views. Such a group needn't support a single Republican but would align with traditionally Democrat constituencies (union members, etc) that are also pro-2A.

NickB79

(19,271 posts)
65. Pro-2nd Amendment and supporting gun bans?
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:27 AM
Jun 2012

You really expect that to get more than a literal handful of gun owners, Democrat or otherwise, to sign up for?

What else you go? Pro-animal rights that supports slaughterhouses? Pro-organic foods for Monsanto?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
66. In artfully worded
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:34 AM
Jun 2012

Such a group would both supprt pro-2A Dems while working to change the policy views of Dems that support gun control.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
78. Representative democracy means representatives do what their voters say. It's not wrong.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:18 AM
Jun 2012

If this was about subsidizing crops, we wouldn't be having this argument. Those legislators are mandated to do what their voters want. They may commit political suicide or choose to retire when they are confronted by wing nut voters, but they are not impartial statemen.

Wing nuts vote consistently, they believe in the process more than cynical people who just say their legislature sucks and don't vote. You get what you vote for and what you don't vote against.

The representative were not 'bought off by the NRA.' They listened to their benighted citizenry. We all call up our represetatives and give them hell when they don't do what we want, or we vote them out. Same thing in red states.

The fact is that voting one's conscience is not what they are chiefly up there to do. We have a lot of people in this country that we may consider stupid, immoral and worthless human beings. But they are mobilized and they have convinced these guys to do this.

Look at their districts. They did exactly what the folks put them in office to do. We can sit in a blue district and look down on them. Those representatives reflect their state's values as shown by being elected. Nothing inconsistent.

It's not corruption. It's democracy, as ugly as it is sometimes. And it has been ugly with Tea Party people voting in people to do their bidding. No use getting mad at these guys; the NRA, the RNC, Rush, Beck and the rest did this.

For several reasons, we have trouble connecting with these people. That is why the Democratic Party is falling to the right, not just because of the GOP or being weak. We have not listened and found solutions to THEIR problems An example would be property taxes. I could make a thread on this, but I probably won't. Suffice it to say that the Democratic donkey is mostly an urban animal that is not that into these folks.

madashelltoo

(1,699 posts)
2. NRA letter said this contempt vote would be scored.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:18 PM
Jun 2012

Sooooooooooo, if you vote NO to the contempt charge against Holder, they will be coming after you. Isn't that like . . . extortion or something? Blackmail? That does not sound legal at all.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
58. Seriously?
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:41 AM
Jun 2012

Publicizing public votes on public events is NOT extortion anymore than the ACLU keeping score would be.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
63. Retribution or reward should follow votes
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:10 AM
Jun 2012

Sure, it's the NRA but in principle I wouldn't want anything less for a healthy, representative government.

 

clang1

(884 posts)
3. If TRUE it is MORE CORRUPTION
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:19 PM
Jun 2012

and corruption being used to affect an election and it is MORE than just simple corruption. THE FUCKING CORRUPTION IS EVERYWHERE
and people are LOST in it.

REASON THAT OUT....IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. UNTIL YOU SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. UNTIL THEN, YOU ARE GRABBING AT SLITHERING SNAKES.

AND I SEE SNAKES EVERYWHERE, AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE.



THE FUCKING CORRUPTION=TREASON
One American has died directly because of this, how many Mexicans? How many are not DEAD YET?


POLITICAL CORRUPTION...






Meanwhile....The progresssion continues....

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
59. This is not corruption, this is "caving" to your constituents
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:43 AM
Jun 2012

If you represent a district with a large percentage of gun owners and NRA members, then you probably want a good NRA rating. First, of course, because you want to be re-elected someday, and second, because you were elected to represent those voters. That's representative democracy, not corruption.

If you accept money or jobs for you and your staff from pharmaceutical companies as a payoff for voting that Medicare should not be allowed to negotiate drug prices, THAT's corruption.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
76. There's just one problem.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:08 AM
Jun 2012

Holding Holder in contempt does nothing at all one way or another with regard to anyone's second-amendment rights.

This is blatantly the NRA telling Democratic congresspeople to toe the Republican line, on something completely irrelevant to anything other than the partisan interests of the organization. If they don't they get labeled as "gun grabbers," or part of the "brady bunch" or any of the other derogatory terms so popular with this group.

In other words, the NRA is stating that unless the congressperson sides with the party the NRA favors, the NRA will launch a campaign of deceit against them.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. Pretty amazing considering how few members they actually have.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:25 PM
Jun 2012

you would think some progressive groups would figure it out and wield political power like that.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
38. I think with leadership that includes Grover Norquist, John Bolton, T Nugent, and
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:16 PM
Jun 2012

worse, they have a lot more power than you are willing to admit.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
40. So it is because no prominent, powerful Democrats oppose the NRA view on guns
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:20 PM
Jun 2012

that the NRA is so powerful? It is all about personalities? OK,

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
6. Gun-religionists
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:29 PM
Jun 2012

Guns are worshiped by many people, including some DU-ers.

Faith & irrational fear, unfortunately, usually trump logic & reason.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
9. Millions of Democrats own guns.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:06 PM
Jun 2012

if you want to win elections then you need to come to grips with that fact. If you sacrificial purity tests that leave Dems out of power for decades then carry on.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. Yet millions of Democrats own guns and are not GOP
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:14 PM
Jun 2012

so why not make gun owners more welcome and neutralize the NRA? Call every gun owner a right wing NRA lover and pretty soon you will convince them that you are right. Why can't the Democratic party be the pro-2A party?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
22. No - what is the dividing line?
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:28 PM
Jun 2012

what do I have to believe to be a good Democratic gun owner? What specific laws or policies do I have to support?

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
29. Start
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:00 PM
Jun 2012

A good start would be to quit making posts that imply that more guns = less crime.

Which you do repeatedly, and get called on repeatedly, and deny doing. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over....

Those are things that I usually see only from repigs.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
36. Please stop lying about me
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:14 PM
Jun 2012

I have told you several times - the only thing we can say with certainty is that more guns did not cause more gun violence.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=44667

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
43. Right. We might well be better off if we had put the brakes on a few decades ago.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:55 PM
Jun 2012

Instead, the NRA and such will enable another 100 million guns to infiltrate our society over next decade. Sooner or latter we gotta bite the bullet and do something.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
49. But not because more are packing. Think how much less violent crime would be
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:32 AM
Jun 2012

without so many lethal weapons available.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
51. Think how many lives would be saved if we ban
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:55 AM
Jun 2012

alcohol. Or cigarettes.

What you want is impossible. It will never happen.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
70. So just give up
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:25 PM
Jun 2012

I love the "logic" of gun religionists!

"People don't obey gun laws so why have 'em!?" (speeding laws aren't dropped because everybody breaks them)

"We'll never ban cigs or drinking so why do it with guns??" (we haven't cured cancer yet, so why treat new cases?)


It is literally ULTRA-HILARIOUS to read the spin and Bizarro World "logic" that gun-religionists carry around in their brains.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
73. The rest of America has moved on.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:23 PM
Jun 2012

the issue is dead. Here we are in a presidential election where gun control is never mentioned - doesn't that tell you something? That is why it is impossible - no one cares except those last few diehards like yourself.

What is ULTRA-HILARIOUS is watching people like you try to convince the world that you are still relevant. Now that is funny.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
69. WRONG!
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jun 2012

And I have pointed out = repeatedly = your lack of knowledge of basic statistics. Your gun-religion & faith have removed clear thinking from your brain!!!!!

I'll say it again - and type it slowly so you understand it - there could easily be other factors that lowered crime rates even lower than they are now, and guns brought them up from that level to today's rate.

I have told you this OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER, yet you keep LYING about it. STOP LYING!!!!!!

hack89

(39,171 posts)
71. Yet you have been completely unable to provide any proof.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:48 PM
Jun 2012

all that matters is that there are fewer gun deaths every year and you have never been safer. That is why you are one the losing side of history - your manufactured hysteria and outrage convinces nobody except a handful of die-hard gun grabbers. Gun control is a dead issue - the public has moved on.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
72. As always - logic fail for you
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:23 PM
Jun 2012

We might very well be a lot safer without guns, as I've proven. You have proven nothing - except your ability to move goal posts constantly, that you don't understand statistics, that you repeat proven lies, and that you worship guns.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
74. Lets look at your "logic" shall we?
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:29 PM
Jun 2012

you said:

guns brought them up from that level to today's rate.


Now the true measure of gun violence is number of people shot, wounded and killed. Those are hard numbers. In every case those numbers are lower now than they were 30 years ago - lower by about 40%. So how can guns have raised the level of gun violence when the only true measurement of gun violence shows lower absolute numbers and rates across the board?

Fewer people shot, fewer people killed. Explain to me how that raises gun violence rates.

Paladin

(28,273 posts)
52. There Are A Good Number Of Democratic Gun Owners.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:56 AM
Jun 2012

The gun militancy movement is overwhelmingly right-wing, and you don't have to go to the NRA's site to confirm that---the DU Gungeon provides plenty of daily evidence. If you believe that the Obama administration poses any current or future threat to your ownership of guns, then you've moved from being a gun owner to being a gun militant.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
60. There are extremists on both sides of the issue here at DU
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:47 AM
Jun 2012

to many here any support of guns in any fashion is proof of RW beliefs.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
31. Just reality - or are you not paying attention to what is happening in Congress?
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:03 PM
Jun 2012

how can Democratic voters be so swayed by the NRA that their congressmen will vote against Holder?

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
13. This isn't about gun ownership. I don't care that much about that issue.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:14 PM
Jun 2012

This is about utter CT bullshit being blown out of proportion by the NRA and its cohorts. If any 9/11 Truth group had had the political power to force Congresspeople to vote for its baloney, it would be just as objectionable.

If the NRA were only about promoting responsible gun ownership, it would be one thing. I believe responsible gun owners recognize the need for common-sense gun regulations. But that's not what's going on here. It's rank woo ruling the day over at LaPierre's joint, and it stinks to high heaven.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
16. So how am I to take the "gun-religionist" comment?
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:21 PM
Jun 2012

it is about guns for many here. There is a constant effort to conflate gun ownership with NRA support and to portray gun ownership as a RW phenomenon.

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
19. There are plenty of "Second Amendment Democrats," if that's a term.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:30 PM
Jun 2012

And they are not conflatable with "Reagan Democrats." That's my personal take on it.

But how people can look at the out-of-control amount of guns flowing across our border to arm the drug cartels (not talking Fast and Furious, which was just a drop in the ocean current) and not recognize that we could use some serious and respectful gun control measures there is just astounding to me.

If people want to misrepresent your position here, there's nothing much you can do except state it again and again. There is a middle ground in the struggle over gun ownership in America, and it's up to all of us to keep that option open.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
25. So American civil liberties must be curtailed because of out of control crime in Mexico?
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:35 PM
Jun 2012

we have achieved historically low levels of gun violence in America while liberalizing our gun laws yet because Mexico can't control their drug cartels, we have to take a step backwards? Don't think so.

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
47. Most of Mexico's illegal guns come from south of their border, not north.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:27 AM
Jun 2012

The cartels are widely armed with military-grade arms that aren't available from civilian U.S. gun shops.

We need to end the War on Drugs that fuels the violence, not curtail the liberty of more people who have little to do with it.

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
75. The Mexican government estimates 2000 weapons a day cross our border into Mexico.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:55 AM
Jun 2012

And there's nothing I've seen suggested to help cut that number down that would curtail the liberty of any responsible gun owner in the United States.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
79. The issue is how those regulations are being implemented
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:43 AM
Jun 2012

I have no problem with legislation passed by Congress - it at least open to public opinion and influence. I disagree with regulations implemented by executive fiat. And that applies to every civil liberty, not just guns.

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
80. Regulations "implemented by executive fiat"? Hooboy.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 06:15 PM
Jun 2012

You know as well as I do executive regulations are indeed open to public opinion and influence. Congress itself acts as a check on executive power.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
81. When it comes to enumerated rights.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 06:59 PM
Jun 2012

I want it to be harder and take longer. History tells us that once government assumes a power it never gives it back.

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
82. What right of yours is violated by any specific regulation attempting to curb 2000 weapons a day
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 07:10 PM
Jun 2012

across the Mexican border from America?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
83. I am talking about the process in general
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:24 PM
Jun 2012

not this particular instance.

Government is always able to find that one innocuous justification that seems reasonable. The question is what reasonable limits are there that prevent them from then implement more odious regulations. Hence the need to ensure the process is slow and deliberate.

There is no need for urgency in regards to Mexico. Mexico's drug wars are fed by much larger dynamics than guns from America. Theft, corruption and desertion in the army, for example, is how the cartels get their serious firepower. Besides the better solution is to legalize drugs, end the war on drugs and treat it as a public health problem. Win-win for both countries.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
50. But only through legislation
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:50 AM
Jun 2012

that can pass the three criteria of strict scrutiny. Certainly not through executive fiat.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
62. I'm a loyal Dem and gun owner.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:59 AM
Jun 2012

I don't see the Democratic Party trying to take away my Smith & Wessons. But anybody who tries will be in a world of hurt.

And, by the way, I'm a law abiding Democrat.

Bake

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
20. If you don't want to be treated as a gun-worshiper, the solution is simple.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:39 PM
Jun 2012

Stop worshiping guns. If you don't want to be viewed as a crypto-fascist RW nutcase, stop promoting nutty, fascist RW policies. If you don't want your views conflated with the NRA, stop supporting their causes.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
28. It certainly isn't pretending that the GOP/NRA witch-hunt against Eric Holder
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:59 PM
Jun 2012

Is a valid, business-as-usual Congressional investigation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014112436#post7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014112436#post8

Or towing the GOP/NRA party line that having too many guns in circulation isn't a "real" problem:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014112436#post17

Or promoting the GOP/NRA LIE that this Fast & Furious bullshit is a scandal on par with Watergate:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002832644#post25

hack89

(39,171 posts)
39. No - what is happening with Holder is pure partisan politics
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:18 PM
Jun 2012

I asked you what gun policies are not RW. You said that I should not support RW gun policies - now I waiting for you to tell me what are acceptable Democratic gun policies.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
42. No where have I supported the NRA's pressure on congress and their vote on Holder.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:46 PM
Jun 2012

you were the one who said I shouldn't be supporting RW gun policies. Why is it so hard you you to give me straight answer as to exactly what I should be supporting?

 

Jack Sprat

(2,500 posts)
21. I have a guns.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:56 PM
Jun 2012

but I shit on the NRA. This group is a republican frontgroup who are going to spread lies against Democratic presidents regardless. When has Obama ever threatened anyone's right to own guns? Never, but the NRA still hates him and spreads lies regardless.
That's another reason I wouldn't join that craphole association.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
15. +1000
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:16 PM
Jun 2012

And it's not just logic and reason that are trumped by fear, but also empathy and compassion.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
55. No. The problem is that these congressman have constituencies that listen to the NRA
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:25 AM
Jun 2012

It's hard for some here to grasp, but these are areas in the country where a substantial portion of the population agrees with the NRA. If you accept the premise that a congressman's vote should largely reflect his constituency's views,...

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
77. The NRA is a bully organization with bully at the helm.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:15 AM
Jun 2012

Arms Corporations have a lot of lobbying money.

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