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Does anyone believe 2020 will bring a free and fair election if he's still in office? (Original Post) Norbert9 Feb 2017 OP
or WHOMEVER is in office. elleng Feb 2017 #1
Nope! pandr32 Feb 2017 #2
I cannot trust one thing with this "administration"...I have never said that about my Government in TrekLuver Feb 2017 #3
Yes, because the issue in 2016 wasn't outside tampering. GreenEyedLefty Feb 2017 #4
This is false on its face, state and local electoral boards were hacked. To what extent is a red... uponit7771 Feb 2017 #8
There is no proof of ballot machine hacking. Voter turnout was the deciding factor in this election. GreenEyedLefty Feb 2017 #10
And they don't need to be for the election to be hacked... That's msm meme uponit7771 Feb 2017 #11
Broadly speaking...yes brooklynite Feb 2017 #5
We need to bust sharp_stick Feb 2017 #6
Idea for Indivisibles meow2u3 Feb 2017 #19
I don't, it doesn't even make logical seeing they hacked state and local electoral boards last year uponit7771 Feb 2017 #7
Hoping so. It will be the first election for my son Zing Zing Zingbah Feb 2017 #9
If it isn't seen as free and fair, the United States is over. roamer65 Feb 2017 #12
Then it's over Generic Brad Feb 2017 #13
Not bursting my bubble. roamer65 Feb 2017 #15
It's over Impedimentus Feb 2017 #14
No. rogue emissary Feb 2017 #16
Of course it will mythology Feb 2017 #17
I would take Bush in a heart beat right now Norbert9 Feb 2017 #18

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
2. Nope!
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 07:26 PM
Feb 2017

All the stops will be pulled out for the administration and their self-pimping Republicans to maintain power no matter what the cost is to us citizens, "America" and our U.S. Constitution, to the environment, and for the world to bear.

 

TrekLuver

(2,573 posts)
3. I cannot trust one thing with this "administration"...I have never said that about my Government in
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 07:27 PM
Feb 2017

my lifetime...where EVERYBODY is a liar....EVERYBODY.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
8. This is false on its face, state and local electoral boards were hacked. To what extent is a red...
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 08:04 PM
Feb 2017

... herring to any extent means no free and fair elections... period.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
10. There is no proof of ballot machine hacking. Voter turnout was the deciding factor in this election.
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 08:11 PM
Feb 2017

Or lack thereof. As it was in 2010, and in 2014.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
6. We need to bust
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 07:53 PM
Feb 2017

our asses to make sure people in puke States have Id's and are able to get to and wait at the polls. We can't let them steal another one.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
19. Idea for Indivisibles
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:07 AM
Feb 2017

Set up a gofundme campaign to raise money for voters without state-issued ID to be able to get one so they can not only vote, but also for general identification.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
9. Hoping so. It will be the first election for my son
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 08:11 PM
Feb 2017

He turns 18 about two weeks before the 2020 election day. He already knows he will be voting against Trump.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
13. Then it's over
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:09 PM
Feb 2017

Hate to burst your bubble, but 2012 was our last fair and free election. It's all smoke and mirrors now and into the foreseeable future.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
15. Not bursting my bubble.
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:27 PM
Feb 2017

The republic has been teetering on the edge since November, 2000.

Empires rise and fall, so too shall this one.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
16. No.
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:44 PM
Feb 2017

Especially if we focus on reaching out to the WWC or the so called heartland. Donny will do everything he can to limit who votes.

The left, progressive, Democrats need to fight on the state level. As Donny administration will not be looking out for POC, college students, elderly, or poor people voting rights.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
17. Of course it will
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 09:33 AM
Feb 2017

The election wasn't stolen. We lost because not enough people in the right states turned out for Clinton. This insistence that we lost because of something we couldn't control is both silly and distressing. Many of the same sort of things were said about Bush, and somehow we ended up with Obama as well as controlling the House and Senate.

It's distressing because basically it says why bother turning out to vote if it's hopeless? It's self-defeating.

 

Norbert9

(494 posts)
18. I would take Bush in a heart beat right now
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 09:46 AM
Feb 2017

and I never thought I would have said that.

This is not Bush.

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