The light bulb over my head just came on as to why the Republicans are against women's birth control

[Tx4obama]

There are more minority babies being born now in the USA than white babies...

so the republicans are in a panic thinking that they are losing their future voter pool.


FUCK the GOP!!!

[Warpy]

1. They're against all the rights we fought for

including the right to work without a husband's permission and the right to vote and the right to our own property. They want to go back to some Victorian never never land where women were silent and decorative when men were at home and worked like rented mules when they were out.

They want women beaten, poor, and powerless.

[TeamPooka]

2. they want more low wage non union workers

to exploit

[Scootaloo]

3. No, no...

Don't over-think Republicans. The vast majority do not follow any sort of logic. It's not a cause and effect thing with htem. There is no master plan.

It really is that they just hate women.

[elleng]

7. Could be,

your premise is correct: Don't over-think them.
BUT lots of them ARE women.

[Scootaloo]

11. Being a member of a group doesn't mean you can't hate that group.

Besides, remember; in Republican psychology, the rules don't actually apply to them. Welfare is bad, says conservative living in subsidized housing who uses TANF... Abortion is bad, says Republican who supports Rick Santorum. Etc., etc.

[wandy]

40. I don't think it is that republicans hate women. I think that what republicans hate is, well......

themselves.
Think about it.
When they are not hating women they hate ragheads.
When they are not hating ragheads they are hating people of different color.
When they aren't hating people of different color they hate people less fortunate than themselves.
When they are not hating people less fortunate than themselves they hate anyone with a different lives view.

I would say that what they hate is what they see in the mirror.
Lacking courage, they just have to take it out on the rest of the world.

[elleng]

4. May be, Tx4,

but they've been against women's birth control for a LONG time, well before the current demographic trend you mention was apparent, so I'm not sure it's that.

Think schlafly. (OK, don't!)

[CleanLucre]

6. LOL

"Think schlafly. (OK, don't!)"

[Tx4obama]

8. Yes, they have been. But now they are making it one of their top priorities. n/t

[elleng]

10. True,

having been taken over by the radicals. Recall when schlafly etc. were mere curiosities???

[TheDebbieDee]

28. Also, the X-tian fundamentalist repukes are afraid of being outnumbered by the

Muslims...........they want to produce more X-tian warriors!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

36. Wanna know what part of it is?

The ability to claim moral superiority for the express purpose of defining your opponent as immoral in a negative campaign.

Taken to the extreme they don't just say they are "pro-life" which is spin for "anti-abortion" they claim their opponent wants to murder babies as a blood sacrifice to Satan.

Meanwhile, the typical Democrat stands there and says, "I'm not even going to dignify that with a response" and with full confidence that no thinking person would believe that nonsense, go on to lose and wonder why,....over and over.....

[CleanLucre]

5. the same reason

they are against gay marriage

[LadyHawkAZ]

9. I don't think there's a single one-size-fits-all reason

For the folks at the top, it can be: a large pool of cheap labor, a large female population in poverty and thus easily controlled, a good talking point to rile up the masses, or any/all of the above.

For the rank and file it can be: a religious and/or morals issue, a taxation issue, a racial issue as you described, just plain stupidity, or any/all of the above.

[libodem]

12. So sad

BC should be available for family planning as a civil right from your first period if you need it for cramps as a civil right. This goes double for third world countries where they marry you off at 11. Little girls shouldn't be forced to give birth before their bodies are developed.
The Catholic church should sponsor world wide birth control as contrition for all the child molestation. Save all those little girls from dying in childbirth.

[clang1]

13. Putting it like that...The GOP is worried about ALL babies

not just White babies. Good god how absurd. Don't you see non-White Republicans with your OWN eyes?

Maybe not all of them are onboard with that, but it DOES NOT MATTER. The GOP could give a shit less if it has a white supporter or a brown one. Sheesh.

Just more of the abusrd, this time coming from us. They WANT you to think like you are, think about that....


They WANT you to think this way:

'There are more minority babies being born now in the USA than white babies...

so the republicans are in a panic thinking that they are losing their future voter pool.'
---
THEY DONT CARE THE COLOR OF THEIR VOTER POOL. JUST LIKE WE SHOULD NOT CARE ABOUT COLOR IN OUR VOTER POOL. PERIOD.


Wake up, everyone needs to.

[The Wielding Truth]

15. This is sarcasm__You cannot believe that the RW is not scared to death about losing their majority?

[clang1]

16. Heh heh, Yeah.

People better wake the hell up, NONE of this is a joke or even time for sarcasm.

[clang1]

18. THEIR RELIGION TELLS THEM NOT TO

Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:26 AM - Edit history (7)

THEIR RELIGION TELLS THEM NOT TO AND BIRTH CONTROL COSTS MONEY. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO WASTE MONEY ON THIS.

WE ALSO SEE THE REASONS SOME OF THEM DO NOT CARE FOR BIRTH CONTROL IN THE POST HIDDEN BELOW.

[snot]

14. Hold it.

How do they force white women to have more babies, but not the otherly-colored women?

[jberryhill]

17. That makes zero sense

Making birth control harder to access primarily impacts low income and minority women.

Opposition to abortion is one area in which they do appeal to largely Catholic, Hispanic voters.

[Tx4obama]

19. Well it does make sense, but I will have to go and find some statistics tomorrow, regarding ...

percentage of 'whites' that can afford to purchase the more effective birth control pills.

percentage of low income folks that have babies (and number of babies) as opposed to whites that can (currently afford birth control)

etc.

I think that the objective of the GOP is to make it more expensive for white women (which probably are a higher percentage of the work force that have expensive medical insurance policies fully covering b.c. pill) to purchase birth control (due to not being covered by insurance, etc) therefore resulting in more births.

Also, the GOP PR brigade is trying to make birth control a 'dirty word' which 'might' make republican more apt not to use it.

Also, the GOP is making having abortions more expensive by mandating ultra-sounds which 'most' women would not feel comfortable having pre-abortion and many women can not afford.

I think the GOP is throwing things at the wall and seeing what will stick - all in the hopes for more births.


But these are only 'thoughts' and like I said I have no statistics to back up my theory

[clang1]

21. You can look at it however you wish

it DOESN'T change anything about it. Why waste your time with statistics you don't need for things that you can already see? I usually find doing that to be a waste of time. Do you need to reprove what your own eyes see?

Sometimes this might be useful but here pointless. We ALREADY know how it is. Who are you then trying to prove something to? The GOP? They already know about birth control and statistics. And they don't care either way except that they say NO to it.


AND if they can find a way to charge a minority woman more money for birth control, they will, and they will do the same to a non-minority woman to if they can. MONEY.

SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF FURTHER STATISTICS TO PROVE THE OBVIOUS?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

37. The GOP doesn't believe minorities use birth control

They have this racist vision of the black single mom pumping out babies to stay on welfare while they see white women as seeking careers and deciding to not have kids because they don't want a kid to get in the way of their climbing the corporate ladder.

Taking away birth control not only keeps the ever important White Majority intact but it makes sure those usurpers to their patriarchal society are held back.

[Tx4obama]

22. Are you are Republican?

Birth control in a lot of cases does NOT have anything at all to do with sex.

Many doctors prescribe birth control pills to women for medical reasons and many of those girls/women are not even having sex.

The Republicans are opposed to funding in even those cases.

Btw, I am going to alert on your comment since you are bashing women.

Have a nice day

[Littlewon]

24. No I'm not GOP

I don't like them either.

Don't make me laugh with this woman bashing ... right after you say "Fuck the GOP".

How am I bashing you by saying 'go get laid, get pregnant, get an abortion, fine with me?"

There is no bash there. I respect your right to do those legal things.

NOW: As for prescribing birth control for other reasons:
1. YOU'RE point was about pregnancy.
2. But lets go with it ....

Let's say I'm depressed or something, and need an antidepressant. guess what - the government doesn't pay for it.

But you're talking about 'birth control'. If you use the pill for a reason other than birth control - then it's just like any other medication.

I'm an Austrian economist, which is why I don't like GOP and I don't particularly like Democrats, but I don't hate either.

It's not that I don't like YOU, it's that I believe you haven't thought things through, that's all.

[Tx4obama]

26. Here at DU we do NOT say women dress 'slutty' and we do NOT refer to them as 'tramps'

perhaps you just didn't know the rules and did not realize how bad you comment came off.

There is an 'ABOUT' link and a 'Terms of Service' link at the bottom of each DU page, I suggest you take a look at them.

[clang1]

25. Whew...That post needed to be flagged. Insane.

Paying for your own sex instead of birth control. Isn't that a part of what prostitutes do? Sickening reasoning and just more of the theater of the absurd, and rightwing trash talk....what this bastard was saying was let the prostitute pay for the birth control. Think about that even. Damn. This is what birth control is to many of them, because we have ALL heard this before. And some of them SAY SO. They mock society even in doing this. I just don't know how else to put it. No common decency for their fellow human beings. It's gone in some of them. This is the type of morality we are up against.

[oldhippydude]

23. actually

don't "fuck the GOP"... don't give the bastards an excuse to multiply!!!

[RZM]

27. Not even close. The opposition to abortion transcends demographics

It's rooted in religious principles about the 'sanctity of life.' They oppose minority abortions too. In fact, this is one issue where Republicans think they can pander to blacks and Hispanics (the latter of whom are Catholics), since both groups show evidence of reticence on the issue.

You couldn't be more wrong. This isn't a 'make more white people' issue, it's a 'reach out to minorities' issue.

[clang1]

30. Which as we know never seems to apply any where else

re: 'sanctity of life.'

This entire thread sucks as badly is this issue sucks.

[jeff47]

41. There's a difference between what they say and what they believe.

You are describing what they say.

But that doesn't match their other priorities - their platform is not at all Christian. Jesus wouldn't give the money changers a tax cut, but Republicans shut down the government to do so.

[RZM]

43. You may be right about Christianity, but I'm talking about abortion

And the actions seem to match the talk. Anti-abortion politicians and activists support legislation that restricts everybody's access to abortions, not just white people. I've never seen an anti-minority component to anything they say or do on this issue. Like I said, this is one issue where they feel they can do minority outreach and attempt to portray liberals as the racists, i.e. 'why do you want to abort all these black and brown babies?'

This pays no dividends to them, but they try it anyway. The racial argument here just doesn't work.

[jeff47]

44. You are claiming their political philosophy is rooted in Christianity

Abortion is just one of their issues.

If they claim a deep belief in Christianity drives their anti-abortion belief, then we can expect them to have a deep belief in Christianity. Yet that deep belief in Christianity does not appear in any other issue.

So they're either lying about Christianity motivating their anti-abortion position, or they're lying about having a deep belief in Christianity.

[RZM]

45. I think there's a strong religious component to opposition to abortion

I never said their whole political philosophy is based off of Christianity. I'm sure parts of it are, but so are plenty of other ideas, including many liberal ones. I'm talking about abortion and abortion only.

How much the abortion issue is tied in with religion is an interesting question. Personally I believe that religion is very important in that regard. It's probably not the whole story, of course. But I'd bet it's a big part of it.

[jeff47]

50. Ok, this time try reading my post.

Abortion: "A deep religious belief motivates my opposition!"
Every other issue: "Fuck the poor".

Now....how do they have deep religious beliefs at one moment, but then have no such beliefs the next moment?

[RZM]

52. That's an easy one. It's called being human

Many people are hypocrites who pick and choose what they want to base their beliefs on. And many people have quite contradictory beliefs and worldviews. Yours is just one of a myriad of examples.

You can certainly argue that doesn't make them good Christians. But that's neither here nor there in my argument, which was restricted to abortion. I'm not understanding why you're trying to turn this into an argument about the conservative mind. My point was that there's a strong religious component to abortion opposition. Whatever else may or may not motivate conservative belief isn't really relevant here. They wouldn't be the first people to conveniently ignore some of their own religious teachings.

Besides, the Bible itself has many contradictions. So it's natural that believers would too.

[ErikJ]

29. They hate liberal Feminism-want women barefoot and pregnant.

That's about it.

[clang1]

34. Yep. All about rights and taking away rights n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

31. I brought this up a while back on the Malloy board.

The Republicans think white women are taking the pill while minorities are popping out units and they figure that's why the White Race is "dying" and they're in a PANIC over it. It's not so much creating GOP voters as it is the the whole "Superior Aryan Race" thing. These idiots really BELIEVE the White Race IS "Civilization" and all other races are "Primitive".

To that, gentle reader,...I offer this:

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Behold,....the parents of the guy who invents warp drive....

.....or not.....

[clang1]

32. Lol n/t

[coalition_unwilling]

33. So, your thinking goes, Repigs are trying to restrict birth control so the

white birth rate will increase and become more competitive with minority birth rates?

As crazy and racist as today's Repigs are (and as panicked as they may feel at the inexorable demographci trends constantly working against their longer-term viability), your line of thinking strikes me as tortured logic. It seems simpler to say that Repigs hate women and thus their misogyny compels them to pursue policies inimical to all womens' interests, irrespective of race.

[Tx4obama]

35. Well, I did hear ...

I did hear tonight on the news that the GOP is concerned about the higher rate of minority births vs. the lower births to Caucasians.

So, logically thinking - if they are concerned about it then it is natural to think that they must be thinking about what to do about it. Right?

It is a fact that the Republicans are focusing on the birth control issue and the abortion issue this year - when they should be focusing on jobs instead.

It all makes sense to me.

[coalition_unwilling]

38. Repigs focus on abortion because it is for them the issue that keeps on giving, in terms

of keeping donations flowing in to the RNC and keeping their nutcase base motivated.

Your hypothesis is plausible, I suppose, but Occam's Razor suggests that a simpler explanation is preferable, all other things being equal. Hence misogyny.

A more interesting question to me by far is why Repigs hate women. What is it about women that Repigs find so threatening?

[freshwest]

39. Well, that's not exactly a new theme with them:

The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Culture and Civilization

2001 book by paleoconservative commentator Patrick J. Buchanan...

The West is Dying. Collapsing birth rates in Europe and the United States, coupled with population explosions in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are set to cause cataclysmic shifts in world power, as unchecked immigration swamps and polarizes every Western society and nation.

The Death of the West details how a civilization, culture, and moral order are passing away and foresees a new world order that has terrifying implications for our freedom, our faith, and the preeminence of American democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_West

[Vinca]

42. When it comes to Republican men, women need to stage an aspirin-between-the-knees protest.

For a long, long, long, long time.

[Marinedem]

46. Ummmm....

So, birth control could potentially reduce the number of minority babies being born, thus Republicans oppose it? I don't understand what the thought process is here.

Can you explain this a little better? It doesn't make much sense to me.

[4th law of robotics]

47. By that reasoning wouldn't they support birth control?

[Initech]

48. My theory is that they all scored low on South Park's TMI scale

[madokie]

49. I know someone who could fit that mold

He says he is against abortions, birth control cause its against the bible teachings but I suspect this is the underlying reasons for that. He is scared to death of the Brown skinned people's numbers gaining on his white ass.

I'm mostly white myself in case anyone is in doubt and just to clarify what I'm saying.
Peace

[kestrel91316]

51. They hate us uppity women just as much as they hate brown people.

They want us barefoot, pregnant, and chained to the wood cookstove. They want the brown people to be slaves again.