Trumps supporters will be his first victims, says Nobel Prize winnng economist

[n2doc]

by May Bulman

The core of Donald Trump supporters who have suffered most as a result of globalisation will be the first to suffer under the Trump administration, a Nobel Prize winning economist has said.

Joseph Stiglitz, an American economist and former vice president of the World Bank, who won a Nobel Memorial Prize in 2001, said the President’s economic programme was likely to “trigger a vicious cycle”, in which those who have suffered most from globalisation over the past 25 years would be the “first victims”.

Speaking during an interview with Le Monde, Mr Stiglitz, who has previously denounced the excesses of globalisation and its contribution to the rise in inequality, said while Mr Trump's protectionist policies may save "a few hundred" American jobs, this would not compensate for those that will be lost.

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[smirkymonkey]

1. K&R

Good.

[n2doc]

2. They may be too dumb/addled to realize it, though. n/t

[Zorro]

3. They'll blame it on the Dems

It's always worked before.

[Initech]

47. That is the thing that pisses me off.

I'm tired of taking the GOP's blame on everything it's time we started fighting back.

[SCantiGOP]

22. Hey, Trumpers,

karma is a real bitch, huh?

[vlyons]

51. Remember how cutting taxes on the rich "job creators"

was going to make everything so much better? 50 years of Trickle down economics lies and bullshit.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

4. You'd think they'd notice that their lives aren't any better

I wonder how long they'll give him to make America great again?

[Horse with no Name]

5. Good.

For what they unleashed upon the rest of us....they deserve everything that happens to them.

[HughBeaumont]

6. "In a real Fourth Reich, You'll be the first to go" - Dead Kennedys, "Nazi Punks Fuck Off"

Trapitalism isn't going to solve the problems it creates.

With no Guaranteed Minimum Income, college costing as much as a mortgage and no innovation or new industries springing up in rural America/flyover Country . . . I'm not getting who or what these people thought would save them. "President" Babyhands sure wasn't going to.

[GoCubsGo]

7. Just wait until he comes for their guns.

Which he will, eventually. That is the only wake-up call they will recognize, sadly.

[Jamaal510]

45. It would be

hilarious if that were to happen. After years of the NRA lying to people that Obama was plotting to confiscate all guns and it turned out that he wasn't, they have nothing to say now.

[LiberalFighter]

48. Need to let Trump know that his supporters will be going after him.

So he needs to take away their firearms.

[GoCubsGo]

49. I have avoided joining Twitter.

But, being able to tweet that to him may just push me to join.

[geek tragedy]

8. good.

best they suffer first so his damage can be quickly resisted at the ballot box.

also some justice there, given his entire campaign was based on a lack of compassion for others

[Amimnoch]

9. Good.

Every single one of them deserves it.

[agenasolva]

10. They probably will never realize or admit it

The Kool Aid cult will worship the Orange One at all costs

[TeamPooka]

16. all they wanted/needed to make America great again was a white male President. So fuck 'em.

Fuck 'em all.

[LenaBaby61]

53. The Kool Aid cult will worship the Orange One at all costs.

Couldn't agree MORE.

The truly sad and stomach-turning thing is that those of US who didn't vote for that mentally disturbed fool will be suffering right along with them. I could care less if they suffer. I'm ONLY worrying about those of us who didn't vote for him but who will be suffering.

[Cosmocat]

55. EVIL LIBERAL BOOGYMAN!

There is no end to the targets to use as hate distractions.

[herding cats]

11. He nails Trump in this part.

Mr Stiglitz added that the President’s anti-EU stance was a “hateful” attempt to strengthen himself by bringing others down, arguing that a stronger Europe would in fact be beneficial to the US. He said: “[Mr Trump] believes that by bringing others down he strengthens himself. This is a most hateful idea.

“When he says he hopes the euro will fail, it’s because he hopes this will brings benefits for the US. It’s really stupid. In reality, a stronger Europe is better for the world and America.”

This is the problem with an ego-driven personality in a position of power, Trump is more concerned with how he looks than what benefits the US.

[NastyRiffraff]

24. He seems to have a menu of personality disorders

Paranoid:
Pervasive distrust and suspicion of others and their motives
Unjustified belief that others are trying to harm or deceive you
Unjustified suspicion of the loyalty or trustworthiness of others
Hesitancy to confide in others due to unreasonable fear that others will use the information against you
Perception of innocent remarks or nonthreatening situations as personal insults or attacks
Angry or hostile reaction to perceived slights or insults
Tendency to hold grudges

Antisocial
Disregard for others' needs or feelings
Persistent lying, stealing, using aliases, conning others
Recurring problems with the law
Repeated violation of the rights of others
Aggressive, often violent behavior
Disregard for the safety of self or others
Impulsive behavior
Consistently irresponsible
Lack of remorse for behavior

Histrionic
Constantly seeking attention
Excessively emotional, dramatic or sexually provocative to gain attention
Speaks dramatically with strong opinions, but few facts or details to back them up
Easily influenced by others
Shallow, rapidly changing emotions
Excessive concern with physical appearance
Thinks relationships with others are closer than they really are

and especially:

Narcissistic
Belief that you're special and more important than others
Fantasies about power, success and attractiveness
Failure to recognize others' needs and feelings
Exaggeration of achievements or talents
Expectation of constant praise and admiration
Arrogance
Unreasonable expectations of favors and advantages, often taking advantage of others
Envy of others or belief that others envy you

All traits listed courtesy of Mayo Clinic

In Dump's mind, not only does he have to win, you have to lose.

[CincyDem]

33. That last point about winning and losing...

...if I recall correctly it is that need for others to lose that separates narcissists from malignant narcissists. The biggest issue with them is their they become very destructive (to themselves and others) when they get caught up in a narcissistic rage event, often willing to cut their nose off to spite their face.

Of all the personality disorders, malignant narcissists are the scariest of disorders because they tend to be generally intelligent and their need for adulation is insatiable. That combination often allows them to achieve power positions and they stop at nothing to fill their insatiable need.

Everyone is asking how long the republicans are going to take this chit. The battle I'm waiting for is Trump v. Bannon. It's a when, not if...because eventually Bannon won't be able to feed Trump's narcissistic needs and then, the malignant part takes over and Bannon becomes the enemy.

I'm not sure which of the two I'd bet on but it's going to be Thunderdome time - two men enter, one man leaves.

[JNelson6563]

54. On ething about the malignant narcissist

is they go through a lot of people. They make "friends" use them and abuse them and move on to new people. They leave a wake of people who do not think highly of them. Interestingly, many find the personality quite likable, charismatic even, at first. All but those subject to Stockholm Syndrome soon fall away.

[NCjack]

12. I expect the Administration and Congress to prohibit all scales of

solar and wind energy production in the USA. Only production from fossil fuels will be allowed.

[n2doc]

15. Wyoming is working on it

http://inhabitat.com/wyoming-lawmakers-launch-bill-that-would-ban-selling-renewable-energy/

[Blue_true]

28. Then, China and Europe will leave us behind.

By the time a Democrat takes over in 2021, we will no longer be the Leader of the Free World.

[NCjack]

30. Our best hope: Canadian PM Trudeau picks up the mantle of

free world leadership that Trump has just trampled on the muddy ground.

[uponit7771]

13. they'll blame Obama

[WinkyDink]

14. If there is a God. (It's an IDIOM, people.)

[DinahMoeHum]

17. I tell Trump supporters who voted for him on the jobs issues. . .

. . .that they better get used to Spam, canned beans, and 10-package-for-a-dollar ramen as a daily diet, 'cause they ain't gettin' any of the jobs he's promised them.

I also tell them that's it's not the Mexicans or the Muslims who are to blame, it's the microchip.

[Blue_true]

29. You have a point. Even our politicians miss the fact that

Technology has driven massive job loss, destruction of the middleclass, and income inequality. What should now be happening is leaders should start intellectual underpinnings of an economy that has a guaranteed minimum income at it's base, along with health, dental and vision care. Without the intellectual underpinning of what a new capitalism based economy should look like, deep recessions or depressions will just cause more economic grief and may be severe violence and killing.

[Nitram]

18. Not really. First it will be minorities, immigrants, refugees, and Muslims.

After that it will indeed by his supporters who bear the brunt of his "policies." Like all bullies, he'll pick on the weakest first.

[Blue_true]

32. Muslims in America are relatively well off as

A group, in particular if they are middle eastern or Afghan Muslims. Trump will hurt rural people badly, his behavior already threatens the markets they have for the few products they offer. America is fast headed toward becoming a nation of relatively well off coastal people and less well off interior people, technology is driving that transition since virtually all companies steeped in the "new" economy stay on the coasts, even when they expand from their home base.

[Nitram]

34. No matter how well off they are, if they are not citizens he can pervent them from returning from

a trip abroad.

[Blue_true]

39. The question is how long Trump can keep the ban in place.

Even if the Courts don't force him to abandon the ban, he will have to abandon it. Beside being a recruitment tool gift to terror groups, the ban is stripping the USA of Doctors, High Level engineer, Professors. In addition, the ban is causing our allies to start the nascent planning of how to live without the USA. The short and intermediate term economic damage from the ban will be measurable, but the long term damage is likely to be devastating and set the USA back permanently.

Read up on new innovations in technology, Medicine, Clean Energy, Clean Water, anything that requires advanced training, then look at the people doing the innovations, 80% of the people are Asian or middle eastern.

[DinahMoeHum]

37. The coastal folks tend to have better educations and training

for the jobs and companies of the "new economy" And they learn how to get along with the diversity and talent.

There is simply no place in this "new economy" for people in areas where schools place a greater emphasis on football and cheerleaders than they do on well-rounded/STEM educations.

[DK504]

19. I wonder if he will receive a visit from the KGB.

[Nitram]

35. I wouldn't doubt he already has.

[IronLionZion]

20. Big burning Trumpster fire

while they continue to blame immigrants and poor people, maybe gays and feminists.

[renate]

21. if only that were true

It's terrible for the non-Trump voters who live in the same areas and have the same income etc as the people who voted for him. It's not their fault but they'll suffer even more because they'll be acutely aware that none of it was their fault.

[Tobin S.]

50. Exactly what I was thinking.

I'm a trucker from Indiana and I vote for Democrats- straight ticket every time.

Another thing is that Democrats have to understand that they can't win elections with just the northeast and the west coast. You have to have at least few states from fly over country to put you over the top. The last election should be a big wake up call in that regard.

[workinclasszero]

23. Trump will tell them they are better off now than under the scary black muslim foreigner

And a million fake news sites, hate radio and Fox news will back him up.

And seeing as that's what they want to believe, Gropenfuhrer has nothing to worry about for a long, long time.

Sad to say.

[Tikki]

25. A comment said that white evangelist don't mind being poor. In a way that is true, but they hate....

the idea that anyone, who is not them, would have an ounce of anything more then they do.

Except for their 1% leaders. Who they believe are chosen by god.

I wish one of those white evangelicals would go on a rant, today, about how wonderful george w. bush is
now and then and how all their hopes and prayers and faith in him as a god chosen man worked out for them.
And how bush now lives in the glory of having been an awesome, beloved leader.
They never do.

Tikki

[Charles Bukowski]

26. The Deplorables have been getting fucked over

by Republicans for decades, I doubt this will be their wakeup call. Fuck em.

I'm more concerned with Dem turnout in 2018. We must take back the House at minimum.

[malaise]

27. Stiglitz predicted the 2008 crash

He's no fool

[napi21]

31. When mining doesn't come back, cars, steel, solar panels, all of those mfg. businesses will NOT

come back, and whatever ones do will not produce the jobs. Most of the mfg. jobs will be automated so robots will do those jobs that were shipped over seas several years ago.

All those former steel workers will realize they've been lied to, and are STILL un/under employed with no hope for their future.

[Blue_true]

36. In today's economy, a person in his or her

Fifties or older and don't have a job should accept any job they can get, if they don't have high market, specialized skills. Most Trump supporters in old steel and coal towns don't have specialized skills, those people have no chance, if their industries do come back, they will be automated 10/1 machine/human and will employ only highly skilled workers for the few human jobs.

[napi21]

42. Of course, but the Con has managed to convince them that HE will bring their old jobs back.

I think they believe him because they are desperate and so much want what he said to be true. I honestly feel very bad for them. I can't come up with anything that would help them either. I suspect they've been caught in that change period where the job market changes dramatically and fast, similar to the birth of the era of the car v/s horse & buggy. Suddenly there was no need for blacksmiths, wagon makers, etc. This time was the birth of the computer, the internet, and the robot.

[Lanius]

44. TBH, the white folks who are wishing for the glory days of coal and other such industries

need to grow up and go back to school or get trained in some other field. They might even have to get off their ass to relocate from their shitty old mining towns to larger urban areas to look for work. The white working class has always called minorities lazy yet they don't want to change with the economy.

[yardwork]

38. They'll blame everything on Obama.

[Tikki]

41. Just remind them that they took pride in blocking President Obama's every effort...

If they blocked him from doing something, he can't be blamed for anything.


Tikki

[Jamaal510]

46. +1

[pansypoo53219]

40. GOOD they need to wake up. the GOP is NOT on their side. PERIOD. turn of FUX GNEWZ.

shit can AM hate radio.

[rtracey]

43. good

good, I hope they all get fucked .....then the Stein people, then the libertarians, then.....well I'll just stop there instead of causing a jury selection.

[0rganism]

52. otoh he's trying to give them something they didn't have before...

...socially acceptable scapegoats