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MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 08:44 AM Feb 2017

The only real hope I see is taking back the Senate in 2018.

If Schumer sets the agenda, he can block all of orange's SC picks indefinitely, no matter who of the current SC justices dies or retires. There is no constitutional requirement, that I know of, to have a certain number of judges on the court.

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The only real hope I see is taking back the Senate in 2018. (Original Post) MoonRiver Feb 2017 OP
Why wait until 2018? Girard442 Feb 2017 #1
That would be sweet! MoonRiver Feb 2017 #2
The more moderate Republicans flipped in the last decade, left to avoid a primary or were karynnj Feb 2017 #35
We should act more like the Tea Party treestar Feb 2017 #3
Democrats should use holds to freeze Blue_true Feb 2017 #16
If they did away with the filibuster it could be a good treestar Feb 2017 #17
Wrong about the ACA MichMary Feb 2017 #28
Still wasn't it via filibuster? treestar Feb 2017 #37
Nope. MichMary Feb 2017 #38
We will win both the Senate and House in 2018 Abouttime Feb 2017 #4
I love your attitude! MoonRiver Feb 2017 #5
Where will we get the three Senate seats? Blue_true Feb 2017 #18
Gardner's not up in CO until 2020 cos dem Feb 2017 #27
If nothing else comes from his horror show, I think it has made the point that you have to vote. Vinca Feb 2017 #6
well I hope all this crap bdamomma Feb 2017 #14
Will anything awaken the "no difference" idiots? Blue_true Feb 2017 #21
I can only hope and pray leftynyc Feb 2017 #7
Depends on how angry Cheeto makes people. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #8
I would hope so leftynyc Feb 2017 #9
Pain is a great incentive. Just saying. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #10
That is pretty much where I am. If those people Blue_true Feb 2017 #23
Because they had 8 years of Obama, and forgot. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #24
we got to keep on them bdamomma Feb 2017 #13
My senators and rep are leftynyc Feb 2017 #15
I appreciate you optimism, but the map is against us. Calista241 Feb 2017 #11
You may be correct, but I do know that pain hurts. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #12
The EC map was against Orange Hitler treestar Feb 2017 #19
Good question! MoonRiver Feb 2017 #20
The EC map was against Drumpf. But again, he talked Calista241 Feb 2017 #32
Not one judicial nominee should be confirmed. libtodeath Feb 2017 #22
That's my feeling too. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #25
Don't forget your state legislature vlyons Feb 2017 #26
My state legislature is 100% Repuke controlled. I'm in Kansas, nuff said. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #29
Nope, you're right... cept the Rethugs could use the nuclear option as an end around... or am I wrong about that? (hope so) InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #30
If they lose control of the Senate, they have only the filibuster, which they are about to nix, lol. MoonRiver Feb 2017 #31
We will be up against more fake news and attacks on any Dem candidates. BSdetect Feb 2017 #33
So, we then fight back. And stop watching Comcast/msnbc or any bogus alternative. K? MoonRiver Feb 2017 #34
Slim but possible chance of picking an anti-trump replacement for Sessions Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2017 #36

Girard442

(6,084 posts)
1. Why wait until 2018?
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 08:56 AM
Feb 2017

It's a long shot, but people should get serious about getting some R senators to flip. Even if it was just one, it would seriously rattle Trump, and if one could do it...

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
35. The more moderate Republicans flipped in the last decade, left to avoid a primary or were
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:05 PM
Feb 2017

primaried out. There are not many likely candidates among the remaining Republicans. Susan Collins is often mentioned, but there have been few courageous votes -- just words of misgiving, followed by a Republican vote. The others mentioned - McCain, Graham, and Flake are not very promising. McCain, though always very popular with the media, is a very conservative Republican. Graham is approachable for Democrats, but he really is a Republican, who likely agrees more than disagrees.

I think we may eventually get the 3 votes on issues needed when the threshold is 50 votes -- but they may be different Senators in each case. Not to mention, it won't happen until and unless Trump becomes even more unpopular and they break ranks.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
3. We should act more like the Tea Party
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 08:58 AM
Feb 2017

And set out to do it, no matter how unlikely it seems. Haven't we learned yet?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. Democrats should use holds to freeze
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:51 AM
Feb 2017

Gorsuch. Force McConnell to use the nuclear option, republicans will regret doing so.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. If they did away with the filibuster it could be a good
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:54 AM
Feb 2017

thing in the long run. If not for the filibuster, we'd have gotten a public option in the ACA. The filibuster is undemocratic. However, I am not sure the Rs don't appreciate it enough not to use the nuclear option.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
28. Wrong about the ACA
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:27 AM
Feb 2017

The R's weren't going to vote for the ACA no matter what.

It was the conservative Democrats prevented a public option from happening. If they would have all supported everything that President Obama wanted we would have single payer. Many of them had to be bribed to get anywhere with the ACA.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
38. Nope.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 02:58 PM
Feb 2017

I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but as I remember it, After Senator Franken was sworn in we had 60 Ds in the Senate. After Senator Kennedy died, he was replaced by Scott Brown (R) who campaigned on being the 41st vote, the vote that would "kill the bill."

The ACA was passed through reconciliation, which meant that it couldn't be filibustered.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
4. We will win both the Senate and House in 2018
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:00 AM
Feb 2017

Speaker Pelosi
tRump impeached
Pence impeached
President Pelosi

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
18. Where will we get the three Senate seats?
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:55 AM
Feb 2017

I see possibilities in Alaska, Colorado, but no were else, plus, we have a LOT of Senate seats up in 2018 and right now, we are poorly organized.

Vinca

(50,303 posts)
6. If nothing else comes from his horror show, I think it has made the point that you have to vote.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:08 AM
Feb 2017

Sometimes your favorite candidate isn't on the ballot, but then you MUST pick what you may consider the best of the worst. Imagine how my blood pressure might be back to normal levels if Hillary was POTUS.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
14. well I hope all this crap
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:54 AM
Feb 2017

that POS is shoveling affects his health too, because he looks like crap. He is mentally ill too, why aren't they talking about that?


Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
21. Will anything awaken the "no difference" idiots?
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:01 AM
Feb 2017

When we work hard to get things running right again and headed in the right direction, they throw bombs and blow it up. There is nothing good about Gorsuch being in a position to be on the Court fir 40 years and two of the Court liberals and the swing vote being very old Justices that could leave within the next four years - this is the type of stuff that true progressives think about when they go to vote, so what is Hillary was somewhat of a hawk, we could pressure her to do what WE want, not so with Trump.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
7. I can only hope and pray
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:10 AM
Feb 2017

that our side will surprise me and does not sit on their asses during these midterms like they've done repeatedly in the recent past. Sorry, but I wont be getting my hopes up.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
8. Depends on how angry Cheeto makes people.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:11 AM
Feb 2017

And after 2 weeks of one outrage after another, my guess is pretty damn hopping mad.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
9. I would hope so
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:13 AM
Feb 2017

but some of these same people were insistent there was no difference between the two parties/candidates. FAR too many sat on their asses and allowed the degenerate to slither into the oval office and I'm not pinning my hopes on such people.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. That is pretty much where I am. If those people
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:04 AM
Feb 2017

Didn't learn from 8 years of Bush and republicans constantly obstructing Obama, why should any sane person expect them to see the light now?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
15. My senators and rep are
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:06 AM
Feb 2017

all great (Schumer, Gillibrand, Lowey). NONE of this matters if people don't vote. NONE.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
11. I appreciate you optimism, but the map is against us.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:44 AM
Feb 2017

And the measages were talking about now has nothing to do with jobs, trade or any of the major hot button issues voters in those heavily Repub states care about.

So yes, our base is fired up. But our base does not live, by and large, in those states. And our base are not the voters we need to convince to show up to the polls.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
19. The EC map was against Orange Hitler
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:55 AM
Feb 2017

Right wingers never let a map get them down. Why can't we stop the negativity and go for it?

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
32. The EC map was against Drumpf. But again, he talked
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 12:53 PM
Feb 2017

Incessantly about jobs, trade, and issues those voters in those states cared about during the election.

But like Bill Clinton said "It's the economy stupid!"

And we're going to the mat on refugee immigration.

I'm not saying refugee immigration, LGBT Rights, cabinet nominations and other stuff arent worthy causes, but I promise these are side issues for him.

trade, jobs and such will be back front and center for him in less than a week. And the President has a bully pulpit, and for the next two years, all we're going to hear about is the renegotiating of NAFTA, companies bringing jobs here, and businesses signing the praises of lower business taxes.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
30. Nope, you're right... cept the Rethugs could use the nuclear option as an end around... or am I wrong about that? (hope so)
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 12:28 PM
Feb 2017

BSdetect

(8,999 posts)
33. We will be up against more fake news and attacks on any Dem candidates.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 12:53 PM
Feb 2017

twitler will stop at nothing to implant lies into every tweet and speech.

He will have a huge army of paid shit spreaders like CONway in constant crap mode.


The msm will comply as always.

I want to drop Comcast /msnbc completely but cannot find an alternative for now.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
36. Slim but possible chance of picking an anti-trump replacement for Sessions
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 01:08 PM
Feb 2017

If Sessions heads to the Trump administration, he would leave behind a coveted seat in the United States Senate. Governor Bentley would appoint Sessions's replacement in the short-term and set a date for a statewide election to fill the seat.

Given the importance of the seat, we certainly shouldn't rush this. Bentley ought to appoint someone with an eye toward an election being held during the 2018 midterms. Special elections are expensive and often feature low turnout. With most of us experiencing campaign exhaustion, it's prudent to set the election during a normal cycle.

So whom might Bentley appoint if Sessions departs? Several sources I've spoken with suggest a few names on an emerging short list: Representative Martha Roby, Attorney General Luther Strange, state senator Trip Pittman, and state senator Cam Ward.

Like Bentley, Martha Roby didn't back Donald Trump. She took a bold stand on Trump after his sexual remarks came to light even when she knew it wouldn't play well in her district. She had a difficult election night, but she held her seat. She has political courage in spades and is focused on defense issues that critically benefit Alabama. She's also a talented woman who would make a welcome addition to a Senate Republican Caucus short on female membership. In addition, Roby could be a legacy pick for Bentley as only the third female senator in Alabama's history. The prior two were both appointments who served less than six months each.
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/11/if_jeff_sessions_leaves_the_se.html

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