Are Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway Under Orders to Get Trump Kicked Out of Office?

[McCamy Taylor]

"Alternative facts"???? You would have to be brain dead not to know that this phrase would immediately start a run on George Orwell's 1984. How many people out there heard the words and did not think about "Newspeak"? Anyone?

And vetoing Homeland Security when it suggested---very reasonably--that the executive order to detain folks from certain countries should make exception for people who live here legally--like doctors, U.S. military translators, business owners---or have a very good reason for visiting the U.S---like being honored with an Academy Award nomination or being an athlete???? You would have to have the IQ of slime mold not to know how that one was going to play out in the press.

Which begs the question---what the hell are Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway up to? They certainly are not serving the best interest of the current POTUS. So, who is giving them their marching orders?

Several possibilities come to mind. 1. The most obvious--maybe they are both idiots, in which case they will hang themselves with their own idiocy. But what if they are not as dumb as they look? (Note Conway graduated with honors from both college and law school). In that case, we must consider other possibilities.

2. Maybe it is Russia. Putin and his master Mogilevich are probably very sharp when it comes to engineering a Russian fascist coup, but do they really understand Americans? The same folks that believe that the Constitution gives them a right to fly carrying a loaded assault rifle are less than amused when told to "shut up." That's First Amendment and they know they have a right to wave a Nazi flag in front of a synagogue if they want, and the only thing that separates our country from Europe---where their party is illegal--is the U.S. Constitution. The natural response of Americans when told to "shut up" is to take to the streets, marching and waving signs and getting all up in Trump's face. We are an apocalyptic people, always looking for a good excuse to toss out the old and make way for the new.

Note to Trump. If your advisers are taking advice about how to do pr for your administration from a bunch of Russians, fire them. Russia is full of people who quietly endured the czars and then the communists. They are obviously sheep compared to your average ruggedly individualistic American, descendants of all the Europeans who would not bow their necks under someone's jack boot.

Another possibility---3 a. Manchurian Candidate by character assassination. Are Bannon and Conway under orders to make Trump look so appalling that he is forced to resign or face impeachment. If Bannon and Conway' shenanigans cause the Stock Market to crash, Trump will be blamed and the Republicans who are currently keeping silent will suddenly start demanding his head. Here is what Karl Rove said when Trump caused Boeing stock to drop.

“What he did yesterday was he de-stabled the stock of a major American company,” he said. "That stock is held by millions of Americans."

“Now, it’s not just a bunch of executives in Chicago or a bunch of management types sitting in Charlotte, N.C., or Seattle, Wash., where they have their management facilities,” Rove added of Boeing.

“[It’s held by] pension funds, by university endowments, by ordinary people who’ve invested in Boeing. There’s one elemental thing a president ought to keep in mind, which is the power of his words, and therefore, the accuracy of his words.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/309231-gop-strategist-trump-not-accurate-on-boeing

Imagine what Rove will say if a whole lot of stocks drop?

3 b.Trump could even be complicit in this one. Maybe the blackmail material which Putin holds over his head is so bad (like stat rape) that he would rather look like a mad man and go along with his political ruination that resist and face jail time. An ex-president unfairly hounded from office by his enemies can make a pretty good living. Maybe he is counting the days until he can resign and get the hell out of DC.

The result in either 3a or 3b, Mike Pence, a man who, under ordinary circumstances would never get elected is suddenly POTUS. And Pence, unlike Trump, has proven that he can be bought.

Campaign finance records from a 1990 run for Congress show that Pence, then 31, had used political donations to pay the mortgage on his house, his personal credit card bill, groceries, golf tournament fees and car payments for his wife.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/think-trump-is-scary-check-out-mike-pence-on-the-issues_us_57f137d5e4b095bd896a11db

Making Pence an ideal tool for people like Putin and the Kochs. Hell, maybe this whole thing was dreamed up by Karl Rove. He, at least, seems to understand the American people. And he has had nothing but good things to say about Pence. And Rove and Trump had a private meeting back in June....

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/03/us/politics/karl-rove-donald-trump.html

Oh, and Conway used to work with Pence. Maybe she will be working with him again, soon. Maybe she is Mike Pence's "Nancy Reagan." Trump could sure use a Nancy Reagan of his own right now.

[oldtime dfl_er]

1. we cannot

afford to take our eye off Putin. All the other stuff is horrible, the denying of rights, the denying of facts, the attempts to deny the US Constitution.

But we cannot ignore Russia, and Putin.

[McCamy Taylor]

2. Putin is oil, so we can not discount the possibility that it is all Big Oil's doing

just as it was in 2000 with W. If Big Oil told Putin "We can raise crude prices again, all we need is for you to go along with our plan to make it look like you hacked the election for Trump" it would be a win/win for Putin, whose people would love him for it and who can not be prosecuted in the U.S. for it.

I am not saying he is not involved. He is. I am saying he may not be a "lone gunman." Maybe this is a bigger conspiracy.

[oldtime dfl_er]

3. Bannon isn't

and yet it appears they're in bed together.

[politicat]

5. Why not both?

One of the things I've learned from arms control policy is that there's no such thing as a two body problem in politics. Everything has moving parts, and multiple motives and points of cooperation improve the reasoning for this FUBAR.
-- Big Oil has interest in Russia, and thus in Putin, Putin has interests in Big Oil, and thus in American politics.
-- The Religious Right has interest in Big Oil, and has spent the last twenty-odd years making common cause with the Russian Religious Right, creating an obscene evangelical Orthodox hybrid to "save those poor souls from atheism".
-- The Randroids and the Freshwater Econs (the Friedman cult) are the ones who forced the remnants of the Soviet Union to go hard right free trade, when Gorbachev and Yeltsin wanted to transform Russia into a Nordic style social democracy. (Which would have been far better for them, and more in keeping with their context at the time the wall fell.) The US provided the bulk of the aid then, under Greenspan and the Bush pere admin, and the deal was conditional on unregulated capitalism to oligarchy, or no money. That same cult has their fingers in Big Oil, and in the coming water wars, and prosperity gospel, and Dominionism and post-millenial dispensationalism.

There are multiple points of self interest that would create an otherwise unlikely coalition.

[GeorgeGist]

8. Interesting viewpoint ...

thanks.

[oldtime dfl_er]

9. yes

that's the long version of what I said. LOL

[DFW]

4. Follow the money

If they are suddenly a lot richer than they were before the election, then probably yes (Conway, anyway). If not, then there are some unpaid bills Trump is expected to pay, and they'll hang around a while to see if Trump plans to stiff them or not.

[Cracklin Charlie]

6. I have been thinking this all day.

[McCamy Taylor]

7. Guess what Trump's favorite film is?

That's right. Citizen Kane.

I was thinking about what has been happening and Trump's outrageous behavior and it suddenly occurred to me "Trump is playing some freaky version of Charles Foster Kane from some weird personal misinterpretation of the film."

Keep in mind that in modern America, we all see ourselves as characters in films, just as people used to use fairy takes as archetypes. Bill Clinton's foes would have done well to make note of the fact that his favorite movie was High Noon--meaning he was just waiting for a whole bunch of bad guys to try to take him on.

I decided to look it up online to see if my hunch was correct. And it was. Trump loves Citizen Kane. And he thinks that what happened to Kane was a "modest fall." And that he needed a better woman. Making it all about love. And everyone knows that we love a character in direction proportion to the amount of love he shows for someone or something else. Poor little rich boy. He loved others so much that he tried to save them. And his political foes shot him down. And that made him an even greater man. The End. Roll credits.

Here is a link.

http://www.indiewire.com/2016/11/donald-trump-misinterprets-citizen-kane-interview-1201747615/

Be sure to watch the video link. I now believe that Trump is actively seeking his own political ruin out of some misguided desire to emulate Charles Foster Kane. That he never divested because he never really intended to do this job for more than a brief time. That he took advantage of millions of Americans, putting their livelihoods at stake so that he could act out a narcissistic fantasy.

What a tool.

[oasis]

10. No.Kelly wouldn't have the haggard, "tossing and turning all night" look,

if she was on board with such a sabotage plan. She's bailing water out of a boat caught in a perfect storm.