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Any one esle find themselves thinking "Rasputin", (Original Post) marybourg Jan 2017 OP
Seems more like Cardinal Richelieu marylandblue Jan 2017 #1
Yes indeed. There is a similar team on the other side: GliderGuider Jan 2017 #2
More like Albert Speer/Joseph Goebbels/Heinrich Himmler dalton99a Jan 2017 #3
I don't know if any of Trump's people are as competent and rational as Albert Speer... MrPurple Jan 2017 #6
Rasputin, Cardinal Richelieu, Machiavelli, Thomas Cromwell. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #4
Question... 2naSalit Jan 2017 #8
Machiavelli himself was never as bad as the cynical politics of "The Prince" suggests. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #9
Indeed, that's why I asked, 2naSalit Jan 2017 #12
Notoriously hard to kill Generator Jan 2017 #5
I've been referring to the Rasputinesque whispers of Bannon. Snarkoleptic Jan 2017 #7
Yes that was my thought too Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2017 #10
So much for Ivanka & Jared's influence kskiska Jan 2017 #11
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
2. Yes indeed. There is a similar team on the other side:
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 02:22 PM
Jan 2017

Vladimir Putin and Aleksander Dugin. the problem is that "the other side" really isn't on the other side. Bannon/Trump are working with them to bring about Dugin's malignant ideological goal of destroying western liberalism, especially liberal democracy. This is an ideological attack such as America has never experienced before.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
9. Machiavelli himself was never as bad as the cynical politics of "The Prince" suggests.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 02:52 PM
Jan 2017

I included him because of what he has come to represent, as Leo Strauss wrote:

Machiavelli is the only political thinker whose name has come into common use for designating a kind of politics, which exists and will continue to exist independently of his influence, a politics guided exclusively by considerations of expediency, which uses all means, fair or foul, iron or poison, for achieving its ends—its end being the aggrandizement of one's country or fatherland—but also using the fatherland in the service of the self-aggrandizement of the politician or statesman or one's party.
 

Generator

(7,770 posts)
5. Notoriously hard to kill
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jan 2017

Rasputin wasn't a NAZI either. Gawd why are we fighting Nazi's again mommy why?

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
7. I've been referring to the Rasputinesque whispers of Bannon.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 02:34 PM
Jan 2017

Very troubling stuff coming from him and others in Drumpf's sphere.

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