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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAny one esle find themselves thinking "Rasputin",
when hearing about Bannon?
Didn't end well for him OR his protector.
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Any one esle find themselves thinking "Rasputin", (Original Post)
marybourg
Jan 2017
OP
I don't know if any of Trump's people are as competent and rational as Albert Speer...
MrPurple
Jan 2017
#6
Machiavelli himself was never as bad as the cynical politics of "The Prince" suggests.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Jan 2017
#9
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)1. Seems more like Cardinal Richelieu
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)2. Yes indeed. There is a similar team on the other side:
Vladimir Putin and Aleksander Dugin. the problem is that "the other side" really isn't on the other side. Bannon/Trump are working with them to bring about Dugin's malignant ideological goal of destroying western liberalism, especially liberal democracy. This is an ideological attack such as America has never experienced before.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)3. More like Albert Speer/Joseph Goebbels/Heinrich Himmler
MrPurple
(985 posts)6. I don't know if any of Trump's people are as competent and rational as Albert Speer...
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)4. Rasputin, Cardinal Richelieu, Machiavelli, Thomas Cromwell.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)8. Question...
Why is Machiavelli on that list?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)9. Machiavelli himself was never as bad as the cynical politics of "The Prince" suggests.
I included him because of what he has come to represent, as Leo Strauss wrote:
Machiavelli is the only political thinker whose name has come into common use for designating a kind of politics, which exists and will continue to exist independently of his influence, a politics guided exclusively by considerations of expediency, which uses all means, fair or foul, iron or poison, for achieving its endsits end being the aggrandizement of one's country or fatherlandbut also using the fatherland in the service of the self-aggrandizement of the politician or statesman or one's party.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)12. Indeed, that's why I asked,
he was more the messenger/scribe than anything.
Generator
(7,770 posts)5. Notoriously hard to kill
Rasputin wasn't a NAZI either. Gawd why are we fighting Nazi's again mommy why?
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)7. I've been referring to the Rasputinesque whispers of Bannon.
Very troubling stuff coming from him and others in Drumpf's sphere.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,033 posts)10. Yes that was my thought too
kskiska
(27,045 posts)11. So much for Ivanka & Jared's influence