The Muslim Ban is a distraction - A SHOCK EVENT

[Stinky The Clown]

The real BIG DEAL is the National Security Council shakeup - done quietly while the Muslim Ban was trumpeted.

Chairman of the Joints Chiefs is out?????????? Yup

Steve Bannon is in???????????? Yup

THIS is what we REALLY need to worry about.

Edit to add "A SHOCK EVENT" to the thread title.

See this post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028564952

[SHRED]

1. Both are big deals

[Lindsay]

2. Exactly.

Actual destruction of legal and constitutional rights can hardly be considered a distraction.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

19. +1 ... n/t

[Kber]

3. Thank you!

[uponit7771]

26. Yes but the Muslim ban we can fight the other one not so much

[dalton99a]

4. He's crazy AND devious.

[Tatiana]

5. Yes, yes, yes!

The problem is that they are practicing the tool of distraction. Trump is getting isolated. Any potential rational voices of opposition are being excluded from important decision-making.

I fear something truly horrible is being planned.

[GliderGuider]

13. That's my fear too.

It the Muslim thing is a distraction, then the size of it hints at the enormity of what it's distracting us from. Whatever it is, it's right around the corner. Days, a week tops.

[Stinky The Clown]

22. BINGO!!! We have a winner!!

[GliderGuider]

25. Frankly, this is one guessing game I'd rather not win.

But it's the only conclusion I can draw from the facts at hand.

[C_U_L8R]

6. They are true multitaskers of mayhem

Meanwhile our pockets are being picked and rights taken away.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

7. Director of National Intelligence AND Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is out

That means they kicked out the person responsible for overseeing the intelligence whistleblowing and source protection...the Director of National Intelligence has that role.

[dalton99a]

9. +1

[GliderGuider]

14. Yep. This is the real story. What's in the works?

We should know very shortly. This situation is too unstable to hold together for more than another few days.

[rzemanfl]

27. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has military rank. Bannon is just a brown-shirt.

Why would the military follow orders coming from this gaggle of flaming assholes?

[dawg]

8. The Muslim ban is a bigger deal than most people think.

Even if completely reversed tomorrow, it will have a lasting effect on our reputation throughout the world. We will get much less future access to the best and brightest minds from around the world, and the economic loss to our country could be immeasurable.

[IphengeniaBlumgarten]

10. Both a big deal and a smokescreen -- Bannon is in charge

Bannon's main expertise is in media. The shocking and clumsy and cynical way the Muslim ban was dropped on us takes attention off of the National Security Council changes which are very ominous -- the two people that are now only to attend when invited are people that deal in reality and facts. Adding Bannon, who has no experience in security issues but only in media, is very worrying -- and it is not getting the attention it ought to have.

[workinclasszero]

17. We will have a "brain drain" in the USA

Not only the best and brightest people from other countries refusing to come here but native born intelligent, reality based Americans wanting to escape a science denying fascist state.

[GliderGuider]

11. Bingo! I'm saying the very same thing.

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"Danger, Will Robinson, danger!"

[mcar]

12. We should be capable of being appalled by both

And the media should be able to report on both. Joy Reid is ably doing so.

[Stinky The Clown]

23. I love it when people get into yes/no thinking

Some of us are capable of other than black and white thinking.

Have a swell day.

[jaxind]

15. And, Dawg...

Another effect is the growth of ISIS and the formation and growth of new terrorist groups!!

[frazzled]

16. They're ALL important

Everything they are doing is important. They are making us play whack-a-mole, and we must get all the moles.

[matt819]

18. Everything is - and isn't - a distraction

Everything this madman is doing as a distraction. At the same time, it's not a distraction. This is been the M. O. Of his campaign and of the Republicans and tea party in general for the past six years. I just keep flooding Congress and state legislatures with all sorts of extremist legislation, forcing opponents to prioritize. The problem is, it's all important, and we have to fight on all fronts at all times.

It would help if we saw some strident responses on the Democratic side. I have to say, I'm flabbergasted at their silence.

[oberliner]

20. Bannon must be stopped

He is the most messed up out of all of them.

[bdamomma]

21. The Chairman

can't he leak any information out??? This is all Bannon.

[GliderGuider]

28. The chair of the NSC Principals Committee is Mike Flynn.

He's a Russian asset like Bannon. We won't get any leaks. We're cooked.

[KentuckyWoman]

24. I'm of the opinion Hair Herr Incorporated is one giant distraction.

While we get all hot and bothered over his antics and his staff and brats and whathaveyou... who is keeping an eye on the actual predators....

[karadax]

29. I'm sort of ok with reigning in influence of the military.

The administration said that they'd be called in when their expertise / services were warranted. The military industrial complex has had large dangerous tendrils in the past.

[Stinky The Clown]

30. See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028564952

[grantcart]

31. Yes and no

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Yes they are trying to pile multiple shocks to keep people from zeroing in on anything.

I expect tomorrow they will announce the move of the embassy to Jerusalem.

No in that this isn't the shock that they wanted. They thought that they would get an intense debate on merit but they didn't anticipate that virtually everyone, including their allies, would think that they are idiots.

[Stinky The Clown]

33. I think you meant "to Jerusalem"

[grantcart]

41. thanks changed

[LeftInTX]

38. That was announced last week

Move to Jerusalem.
I think their hoodwinking us over something more serious.

[grantcart]

40. there was a leak that they were going to but then they pulled back.

There were news reports that leaked that an announcement would soon be made.

However they actually walked that back and said that no actual decision is imminent:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/trump-israel-tel-aviv-jerusalem-embassy-netanyahu-palestine-occupation/514367/

The White House spokesman, Sean Spicer, has since repeatedly emphasized that discussion about a possible move is in its very early stages, suggesting no announcement is imminent for now. . .Moving the embassy is not a priority for even the Israeli far right, for whom issues such as expanding settlements are much more important. Even Avigdor Lieberman, Israel’s hardline defense minister, dismissed the idea in December, perhaps recognizing that moving the embassy would almost certainly invite an outpouring of violence.

[Bradical79]

32. I think it's kicking the tires

On how far they can ignore judicial oversight, in addition to fullfilling a promise to their core voters.

[ismnotwasm]

34. I agree

These assholes through a bone to their base of bigots and subvert the government. I see tons of lawsuits in their future

[fishwax]

35. both matter and both are worth resisting

[Stinky The Clown]

36. Nothing is black and white.

THIS thread is about the shock event.

There are a on of threads about the Muslim ban.

Yes, both are important, but they are not the same and not equivalent. As such, they merit separate discussions.

[LanternWaste]

37. If they are both important, if they are both worthy if analysis and discussion

If they are both important, if they are both worthy of analysis and discussion, then neither is in fact, a smoke screen as alleged (unless one can illustrate objective evidence pointing to the ban as being nothing but a distraction... which is in fact, what a smoke screen is), but simply an additional issue.

Merely calling something a shock event does not in fact, make it so. Objective evidence would be offered, observed and measured, followed by a conclusion. A premise lacking objective evidence is simply a bumper-sticker.

[fishwax]

42. I agree they merit separate discussions, but disagree that the ban is just

a distraction from the real "big deal." I think both are legit big deals.

[uponit7771]

39. True, the Muslim ban we can do something about though the NSC is a matter of attention and

.. right now the M$M isn't paying attention