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kpete

(71,997 posts)
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 06:23 PM Jan 2017

"I view Mr. Trump's fear, lust and sloth and I do not envy him."

El Jamon
New York 7 hours ago

I am not a wealthy man. According to Donald Trump, I would be a loser. I changed diapers. I am an attentive, nurturing father. I built a modest business.

I am devoted to my spouse. We've been through thick and thin, better or worse and we still remain devoted and deeply in love.

Our home is modest. Our car is not luxurious. I served my country and paid for college myself, without ever taking a loan or dime from my parents.

And I am happy because I am grateful.

Every single day, I am grateful for this life, better or worse, rich or poor. I'm even grateful for the trials and struggles I've had. I'm grateful for the wisdom life's difficulties and set backs have provided.

The man in the gilded tower is not grateful. He is not wise. He is steeped in fears that, though we see the same television news stations, and read many of the same papers, I do not share.

Why is it that someone who had never wondered how he was going to pay for college, someone who (unlike myself) was backed by the generosity of the happenstance of wealthy parents, someone who cycles through luxury, why is he not grateful? Why is he so angry?

Look at this wealthy, powerful man's face. He is tormented, even twisted by his fears, and envy and pride, despite the evidence and, as he often brags, the rewards of his greed and gluttony.

Why do I, a poor man by comparison, live in a state of gratitude, while he is in service to his envy and wrath? I view Mr. Trump's fear, lust and sloth and I do not envy him.



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/the-politics-of-cowardice.html?mtrref=www.dailykos.com&gwh=B1C763B469599810A64D23C4C992C22C&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion#permid=21250872

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"I view Mr. Trump's fear, lust and sloth and I do not envy him." (Original Post) kpete Jan 2017 OP
k/r n/t phylny Jan 2017 #1
What a great way to describe Trump. Rex Jan 2017 #2
This is poetic. I don't use that term lightly. LisaM Jan 2017 #3
I agree completely. smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #9
Bingo. LisaM Jan 2017 #11
That is not true about the fringe left. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #14
Maybe there's a better way to refer to it, then. LisaM Jan 2017 #16
And I wouldn't call those societies "left" at all. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #25
Also well stated. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #33
Wow, thank you! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #34
Omg, get out of here! Shut UP! :D BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #35
Yes - the Bolshevik Myth by Alexander Berkman! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #40
I can't wait to dig into all of your references and comments erronis Jan 2017 #42
I'm really glad to hear that you're interested! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #43
Have you read any of the links, and if so, any thoughts? nt Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #48
Thanks!!! Oh boy, lots of good reading there! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #45
I'm a notoriously slow reader ... Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #47
Have you read any of the links, and if so, any thoughts? nt Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #49
I only very just started--went with the overview you suggested I read first. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #50
Happened to me, too. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #52
Well stated. Paka Jan 2017 #24
Thank you! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #26
Powerful... dhill926 Jan 2017 #4
My thoughts exactly. Barack_America Jan 2017 #13
And he will never be happy PatSeg Jan 2017 #5
Great summation They_Live Jan 2017 #21
This is true PatSeg Jan 2017 #29
I noticed that too... llmart Jan 2017 #39
Being born to great wealth makes the perks of wealth seem ho hum. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #22
That is a good point PatSeg Jan 2017 #30
Best analysis of Trump I've yet read. tavernier Jan 2017 #6
I get the point of the article lunatica Jan 2017 #7
Trump is mentally ill. He's a narcissist and maybe a psychopath. He does not manicraven Jan 2017 #8
Funny, manicraven, that you mention this. MontanaMama Jan 2017 #17
Oh, I thought you were talking about the tubby tyrant of NORK erronis Jan 2017 #44
King Midas in Reverse no_hypocrisy Jan 2017 #10
You should send that to the White House. n/t Mr. Evil Jan 2017 #12
Yes! He should send this to the White House. MontanaMama Jan 2017 #18
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jan 2017 #15
I don't share his nostalgic view of Reagan Skittles Jan 2017 #19
He knows, deep down... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #20
There is an ugliness to his face that goes beyond PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2017 #23
Right on. Happiness is interconnectedness. Not wealth. I was proudest supporting applegrove Jan 2017 #27
I think that the problem is not so much that he was born to wealth... potone Jan 2017 #28
Well said. Fichefinder Jan 2017 #31
DT and his kind have an awful idea of what makes a successful man. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #32
Trump's face says it all HelenWheels Jan 2017 #36
Yes. He looks miserable. MontanaMama Jan 2017 #37
ANHEDONIA, my new favorite descriptive of the dae Jan 2017 #38
Trump never laughs. We've never heard it. No Vested Interest Jan 2017 #41
Twitler's religion is the prosperity gospel bhikkhu Jan 2017 #46
Yikes. Somehow I neglected to kick and rec this before! I love this. This should be Squinch Feb 2017 #51

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
3. This is poetic. I don't use that term lightly.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 06:29 PM
Jan 2017

This drills down to why Trump is so terrible. He's a tortured person, and he wants to torture the rest of us.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. I agree completely.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jan 2017

He really cut to the heart of it. Trump has no gratitude, no love, no charity in his heart. That is why is such a miserably unhappy human being. It is unfortunate that he is so determined to bring us all down to his level. I think that is why he hates liberals so much. He can't understand for the life of him why anyone would care about someone other than themselves.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
11. Bingo.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 07:24 PM
Jan 2017

That really is the divide between conservatives and liberals. And then there's the fringe left who cares only about the group and not the individual, and I feel as if I've run into a lot of that lately, too.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
14. That is not true about the fringe left.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 07:49 PM
Jan 2017

I am part of what you term the "fringe left," and I care about the individual on equal footing as I care about society.

Society is nothing without the individual, yet the individual is nothing without society.

The two are dimensions of the same dynamic. You take away either piece, and you're left with nothing but chaos.

Your comment about the "fringe left" is very troubling.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
16. Maybe there's a better way to refer to it, then.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:18 PM
Jan 2017

You don't need to be troubled by me. I'm a good person. And far more to the left than you might imagine. But we've all seen societies where individual rights have been trampled.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
25. And I wouldn't call those societies "left" at all.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 10:07 PM
Jan 2017

That's one of our problems. We let the Right define terms and frame the debate. Any society that damages either social or individual rights are not Leftist societies. They are totalitarian.

The monstrosity that was the Soviet Union was not a Leftist society. It was absurdly reactionary, a tool of the Right. Many socialists/anarchists died to save their Revolution only to be curb-stomped by a highly oppressive and totalitarian Bolshevik regime.

Their basterdization of a socialist society did more harm to the cause than any American propaganda ever could.

That is tragic.

Edit: I do believe you are a good person.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
33. Also well stated.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 11:20 AM
Jan 2017

Educational too.
"The bastardization of a socialist society did more harm to the cause than any American propaganda could."---that says it all.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
35. Omg, get out of here! Shut UP! :D
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jan 2017

That's so nice of you to say!

I think I'm kind of limited in what I feel knowledgeable enough to talk about, actually.

I loved the small history lesson you gave, because I'd like to increase my understanding of history, and I, too, raise my eyebrows when people think "Leftism" is rabid group-think, nationalism, or violent rebellion. No! That's classic Reich-wing thugism.

Violent leftism seems to be pretty much gone, if it ever existed, seems to me. Maybe I'm wrong...but the tiny groups calling themselves Anarchists and being violent lately are more like young kids who need to learn how to use their anger constructively, or people that repuke shitwads paid to disrupt.

Anyway, you captured the reason for the lasting confusion between Communism and Socialism so well.


Know any good books on the Bolshevik period?

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
40. Yes - the Bolshevik Myth by Alexander Berkman!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 04:11 PM
Jan 2017

Available for free online.

The Bolshevik Myth - by Alexander Berkman

But first, a primer:

Freedom and Revolution - The Bolshevik Experience

Ah, anarchism, regarding violent and peaceful tactics. There is a continuum from total pacifists like Leo Tolstoy to Revolutionary firebrands like Mikhail Bakunin. I would say most anarchists are in the middle but with a good portion who are pro-peace. I think the violent ones are urging for revolution, they want it now. I think there's merit on both sides. I, personally, am pro-peace, but I am not a pacifist. What you saw during the protests were Black Bloc Anarchists. They have protesting down to a science. What to wear, how to speak, what to do in certain situations, how to escape being arrested, how to avoid being tear-gassed, etc. They are descendants of the Bakunin branch of anarchism. Revolution now! Ironically, Bakunin's teacher, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, was pro-peace, and emphasized establishing anarchist collectives (see Mutualism) within the shell of the old society, and gradually evolving into an anarchist society. There are many strains of thought, and all have good reasons and objectives. It's really just a decision that one has to make for his or herself.

Many people think of anarchists as bomb-throwing terrorists. But, many famous anarchists were pacifists. The previously named Proudhon, the anarchist-communist Prince Peter Kropotkin, who was so influential, that the Bolsheviks allowed a public demonstration at his funeral - the last public demonstration allowed in the Soviet Union until Glastnost. That's how revered he was. His study and book, Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution (free online at the link therein), emphasized that successful societies (in the animal world, including humans) that stressed cooperation over competition, tended to be more successful. Absolutely fascinating read. Of course, the Bolsheviks outlawed anarchism - please see how Nestor Mahkno allied his Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine (Black Army) with the Red Army to defeat the reactionary White Armies. Then Lenin turned on the anarchists, and crushed them, as well.

Leo Tolstoy, a Christian anarchist and pacifist had a major influence on both Gandhi and MLK Jr. Ralph Waldo Emerson, Ernest Hemingway, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky - you have different personalities and demeanor.

We're not all assholes. We like to learn and live and let live. Some of us, though, and as with the case with anybody, when pushed enough, and feel there are no other avenues, will resort to the use of force to defend ourselves, as is only natural.

I would be remiss if I didn't provide this outstanding link that will really let you understand anarchism as a whole:

Anarchism: From Theory to Practice by Daniel Guerin

It's absolutely fantastic and will really clear up any questions you may have. Also, if you have any questions or thoughts, please share them with me.

I really do appreciate your interest. I get excited when people want to know about, what I believe, is the most beautiful philosophy on Earth.

Oh, and for a very long and in depth read about the nature of the Soviet Union, please see:

What Was the USSR? Towards a Theory of the Deformation of Value Under State Capitalism

This takes several angles from Trotsky's view that Russia was a degenerated workers' state to the ultimate conclusion that it was a form of State Capitalism. It's heavy on economic talk, but really interesting, to me at least.

I hope I've helped. Let me know if you need anything else!

erronis

(15,303 posts)
42. I can't wait to dig into all of your references and comments
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 06:44 PM
Jan 2017

Growing up as a child of a cold-warrior and naturally a counter-culture kid, I had a lot of wonders about what was really "right" and who defined it - even back in the 50s (in my early teens) I understood that there were postures and positions.

Now a somewhat more well-read leading-edge boomer, I understand even better that there is a lot of posturing - however on the backs and lives of the real people (USSR, USA, Europe, and all the world.)

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
43. I'm really glad to hear that you're interested!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 07:36 PM
Jan 2017

Please feel free to ask me any questions. I've been studying anarchism for close to 15 years, and I'm still learning new things. Also, sadly, many anarchists decided to get into cliques such as anarcho-collectivist, anarcho-communists, syndicalists, etc. While there are differences, the main umbrella is socialism of the anti-state tradition. The variances can be confusing and sometimes annoying. That's why there's actually a thing called "anarchists-without-adjectives." Just remember that the main goal is a classless, stateless society of free individuals. How we get there, while important, will definitely have some different strategies.

Happy reading, my friend!

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
45. Thanks!!! Oh boy, lots of good reading there!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 09:34 PM
Jan 2017

I love that it's free, too! Gotta feel happy about that!

I've only read some of Tolstoy's folk tales...love! I'm a slow reader, but what the hell. I'll just pick one and start.


Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
47. I'm a notoriously slow reader ...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:23 AM
Jan 2017

I'll read the same sentence three or four times sometimes - I just need to digest what I read. I need to think about the points made. Figure out the implications, the whys, the hows, the wheres of all the points made. I don't understand how others can read so fast. I guess I'm just slow. I'm okay with that, as long as I get the information I need.

Please enjoy. I recommend the primer first. Then the Wiki on the Insurrectionary Revolutionary Army of Ukraine to get a better idea about the anarchists and Bolsheviks dynamic during the Revolution. Then to get a good history of anarchism, Daniel Guerin's "Anarchism: From Theory to Practice" is as good as it gets.

The above is just recommended; feel free to read in any order you like.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
50. I only very just started--went with the overview you suggested I read first.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:00 AM
Feb 2017

Woa, ok it's already over my head. But I'm not gonna give up on that one yet.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
52. Happened to me, too.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:52 PM
Feb 2017

The philosophy is underestimated as being simple - but it's not. It was daunting at first, but it will make sense as you keep reading.

15 years later, I'm still learning new things, and still comparing and contrasting the different currents. But keep in mind, it's the overall philosophy that is important - some people tend to get very stuck in the details and forget the overall goal.

And the fact is, none of us know how it will work - we just have to try, and learn by our mistakes.

Anarchist societies have existed before - one of the most famous was the Paris and Lyon Communes. Workers took over the workplaces and collectively organized their production and distributed the products of their labor.

This impressed both Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Karl Marx. The two had been feuding about how a workers' revolution would play out - Marx was intent on having a Vanguard Party lead the masses, and using the state to foment revolution (something anathema to anarchists). Marx even purged Proudhon's disciple, Mikhail Bakunin and his followers, from the International Workingmen's Association (known as the First International) for the latter's insistence on an organic, workers led revolution from below. After seeing the success of the Paris and Lyon Communes, Marx started to rethink his ideas on revolution (took a more anarchist stance). Bakunin turned out to prescient, because around 50 years later, the Bolsheviks proved that utilizing the state, and forcing already organized workers to follow a Party Vanguard, was disastrous - and ruined the revolution almost as soon as it started.

Just a bit of contextual history between the different traditions of socialism (state socialism vs. anarchism). When Marx had his epiphany, that was way later in life, after his theory had been accepted by a vast majority of socialists. However, there are "autonomist Marxist" that recognize this and incorporate this into their philosophy - Autonomist Marxists, such as Rosa Luxembourg, were more concerned with direct action, organic labor organization, actions on the ground, and were not focused on political or party organization, and were averse to the tendencies for traditional Marxists to centralize authority. In this way, Autonomist Marxists were much more aligned with anarchists than they were with their traditional Marxists comrades. The social organization and direct action were the focus, as is with anarchists. Basically the same thing, but they call themselves different names.

Anyway, I have a tendency to write too much. I love this stuff and am interested in learning and teaching. So, hopefully, you will enjoy it, too. Don't let it become daunting.

Happy reading!

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
5. And he will never be happy
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 06:41 PM
Jan 2017

There will never be enough money, adulation, power, respect, love, etc. I think the author nailed it - Trump has never been grateful for anything. He lives in a constant state of lack and want, poverty of the soul.

They_Live

(3,236 posts)
21. Great summation
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 09:10 PM
Jan 2017

And I have been noticing for some time that he never smiles (not really). He's never happy.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
29. This is true
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 10:49 PM
Jan 2017

The smiles are so rare, that they are a shock when I see one, and I've never heard him laugh. I don't think he is capable of joy.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
39. I noticed that too...
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jan 2017

though I try my darndest not to look at his ugly face.

I have said to friends, "I rarely see trump or his wife with a genuine smile on their faces." Even that little boy is rarely smiling (who knows what he has had to contend with).

I have zero envy for either of them. It also proves the point that scads of money do not buy happiness or a fulfilling life. This is why I pray that he blows a stroke before too long, but I don't want him to die. I want him to be severely disabled and drooling in his oatmeal so that the rest of us can mock his disability like he did the disabled reporter.

I also think this is what just got under the craw of the Obama haters. It was clear to the world that he and his wife and daughters were happy, well-adjusted people who loved each other dearly, and they could laugh and smile and poke fun at themselves and had great senses of humor.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
22. Being born to great wealth makes the perks of wealth seem ho hum.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 09:14 PM
Jan 2017

It is taken for granted and leaves him out of touch with ordinary people. There is no real joy in the money except as a useful tool to exert power over others. It has lent an air of superiority that he has not earned and it has fed his ego. It has kept him separate from everyone else who i am sure he suspects are just after him for the money.

Having money his whole life means he is always right and no one dare tell him differently. I believe this is why he is so vengeful and thin skinned. He has only disdain for the rest of us! We are animals to be manipulated into doing his will. Lies are ok because we are all stupid sheep and deserve to be fleeced by the wolf (Trump).

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
30. That is a good point
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 10:55 PM
Jan 2017

He can never really trust that people actually like or love him, as they see the money first and he really doesn't have much else. Then people who are far wealthier than Trump, don't seem to want anything to do with him, finding him a vulgar caricature of a rich guy.

I don't see anyone in Trump's world, including his children, who actually cares about Trump the person. Sadly, he has no redeeming qualities.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. I get the point of the article
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 06:44 PM
Jan 2017

But I never liked Reagan. Not at all. I thought he was hiding a meanness under his pink cheeks and joviality. I could never understand why people said he was the Great Communicator. Every time he said anything he started with, "Well... " and then I always flinched, sure he was going to say something very stupid. Sometimes he actually did.

Then I found out he had the beginnings of Alzheimers and it made perfect sense to me that saying, "Well..." with a pause was so he could search his diminishing thinking skills for a response. And when Nancy would tell him what to say out of the side of her mouth it was a total parody.

manicraven

(901 posts)
8. Trump is mentally ill. He's a narcissist and maybe a psychopath. He does not
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 06:45 PM
Jan 2017

think or feel the way most of us do. He finds meaning only in an endless craving for adulation, but he'll never find enough no matter how much he tries, and he equates "success" with material wealth that he enjoys flaunting. He cannot realize that what makes life meaningful and worthwhile are the people around us, family and friends, and in helping others, and that giving is always better than receiving in most situations. He's a taker, a parasite, one who thinks the shiny gold coin is more important and more valuable than the look in a child's eyes when he/she has enough food for dinner tonight. He lacks the ability to care about others. This whole presidency for him is just a sickening ego trip.

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
17. Funny, manicraven, that you mention this.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:30 PM
Jan 2017

I spoke to my therapist yesterday (because I'm back in therapy since the election @#$%&*!) about whether Dump was a narcissist and or a psychopath and in her professional opinion and that of her practice colleagues is that he suffers from severe Narcissistic Personality Disorder. NPD shares some of the same personality traits as those of a psychopath, however the big difference is that psychopaths often can't function well in social groups and are sometimes very antisocial. All that said, in order for someone to be diagnosed with NPD they have to meet at least 5 of the standard diagnosis criteria:

- A grandiose sense of self importance (exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
- is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
-believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
-requires excessive admiration
-has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
-interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
-lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
-is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
-shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
Dump meets each and every one of these criteria, does he not?

That said, thank you kpete for your words regarding gratitude. It is a good and healthy reminder that I, for one, needed to hear.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
44. Oh, I thought you were talking about the tubby tyrant of NORK
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 09:22 PM
Jan 2017

Rump and Kim whatever. The greatest, the bestest, the stupidest.

Thanks to the republicans, the USofA has sunk to the level of the most despotic and backwards country. I don't blame it on the rump - he's too stupid. It's the rest of the critters and lobbyists and puppeteers that have purposely put us here.

Now, can anybody tell me how this nightmare fiction ends?

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
18. Yes! He should send this to the White House.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:32 PM
Jan 2017

Except we'd probably hear that Dump "has the most gratitude" "my gratitude is yuuuuge" "I have fantastic gratitude".

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
19. I don't share his nostalgic view of Reagan
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:33 PM
Jan 2017

Reagan made me sick, and very much helped pave the way for Trump, by making greed and ignorance fashionable

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
20. He knows, deep down...
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 09:03 PM
Jan 2017

that he does not deserve what he has. He knows he has put himself into a position where public perception of his being could undermine his tenuous grasp on the grand vision he has of his value. Yes, he fears. He fears what most narcissists fear, he fears being exposed to be not as great as he wants to think he is. His only tool is bullying and manipulation. If that stops working, he's screwed, and he knows it.

I don't for a minute believe that he hasn't seen his bad numbers, but he has no clue of what to do to improve them, so he just keeps digging. With luck, he'll crater without taking the rest of us down with him, but I fear the worst. I live in range of the Chinese missiles that were apparently moved to be in that position.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
23. There is an ugliness to his face that goes beyond
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 09:33 PM
Jan 2017

being an unattractive man in the first place. We do all have different opinions about and standards of beauty/attractiveness, but Trumps essential core mean spirit is clearly evident on his face.

Similarly, I noticed when Mitt Romney was running for President his wife Ann always had a mean expression on her face. It struck me as both bizarre and sad.

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
27. Right on. Happiness is interconnectedness. Not wealth. I was proudest supporting
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 10:31 PM
Jan 2017

Last edited Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:29 AM - Edit history (2)

myself totally working two jobs at a time. I did that for years in my 20s. My second jobs were in a healthfoid store, bookstore and as a caterer. Family gave me a couple of hundred dollars Christmas and birthdays. But it was mostly me.

potone

(1,701 posts)
28. I think that the problem is not so much that he was born to wealth...
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 10:32 PM
Jan 2017

as that he was raised to have no sense of responsibility to other people. FDR was born to wealth, as were members of the Kennedy family, yet all of them had a sense that their own privileged background meant that they owed it to other people to try to help them. This was in part the way they were raised; it was also the result of their openness to experience. This may have been true of all of them, but it was especially true of RFK. He went from being a brash and arrogant man to one who was deeply shaken by what he saw in the course of his presidential campaign, when he toured the south and saw communities in which African-Americans had neither electricity nor running water. He was deeply shocked and shamed by the experience, as he was by the death of MLK. I will never forget the speech he gave the night MLK died, in which he had to tell a black audience about MLK's death, and he quoted Aeschylus' Agamemnon. I was too young at the time for that speech to register, but I heard it later, and I was deeply moved by it, and by his ability to extemporaneously come up with the right words to comfort a shocked and grief-stricken audience who had just lost their greatest champion and voice for hope.

Trump's father, from what I have read (which isn't much, I admit) sounds like a thoroughly nasty piece of work who raised his son without any morals or sense of purpose other than making money by hook or by crook. It is not surprising that he turned out as he has, a needy, insecure, narcissistic bully who can't bear to have anyone disagree with him or to possess more knowledge than he has. This, in my opinion, is what makes him so very dangerous.

Fichefinder

(167 posts)
31. Well said.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:43 PM
Jan 2017

Forgive me for the tired axiom, but he is one who "knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing".
I'm scared.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
32. DT and his kind have an awful idea of what makes a successful man.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:27 AM
Jan 2017

DT has so many terrible character traits which he thinks are good.

HelenWheels

(2,284 posts)
36. Trump's face says it all
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 12:16 PM
Jan 2017

It is rage red, bloated and snarling. He is like a dog who is afraid another dog will steal his bone--apologies to dogs.

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
37. Yes. He looks miserable.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:25 PM
Jan 2017

Because he is miserable. I'm betting he is lonely too. However, I don't feel sorry for him. Ive wondered at times if the stress of this might tip him over at some point. But then I remember, he has the best health...he's the healthiest president ever.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
46. Twitler's religion is the prosperity gospel
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 09:34 PM
Jan 2017

I've spent some time reorganizing my own priorities with a mind to the question - what is the best way to counter that sort of belief-based greed? Having grown up poor, and scraped through the recession raising kids, its not hard to do. I have a decent income from my work, enough that I can afford to either save for retirement (play the markets, etc), or have just what I need and do some good with the rest. For the foreseeable future, at least, I'll choose to do the latter. The cult of wealth and prosperity is a cancer on the nation.

It is telling that our current COC hardly utter the words freedom, or democracy, or equality, but talks of prosperity instead. As if that means anything if one's neighbors are beaten down and suffering.

Squinch

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51. Yikes. Somehow I neglected to kick and rec this before! I love this. This should be
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 09:46 AM
Feb 2017

a rallying cry for the Democrats: we stand for kindness toward other people. We are grateful for and proud of our achievements because they are OUR achievements. We stand for helping those who are on the way up and caring for those who have already made the climb.

We stand for basic decency.

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