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Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:18 AM Jan 2017

"The 20% tax on imports will strengthen the dollar" according

to a CNBC reporter who was parroting other business people. She said the stuff from Mexico sold at walmart would be cheaper.

I can't cut and paste from WSJ, and this article is from December, but it would be interesting to see the argument if anyone has access to it.


Why the House Tax Plan May Not Boost the Dollar That Much
Will the dollar really jump 20% to 25% to offset a new 20% tax on imports? Chief economics commentator Greg Ip’s view: almost certainly not.

By GREG IP
Dec 22, 2016 2:26 pm ET

House Republicans are working on a new corporate tax overhaul that would be border-adjustable. Exports wouldn’t be taxed, but imports would be. This has fueled speculation about how the economy and markets will respond. Economists say underlying trade deficits are set by consumption and saving patterns, not tax systems ...

(I cannot access any more of the article.)

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"The 20% tax on imports will strengthen the dollar" according (Original Post) Ilsa Jan 2017 OP
Trump said the dollar was too strong. He's clearly trying to weaken our economy. randome Jan 2017 #1
Exporting countries need a weak currency. Importers, like the US, need a strong currency. DetlefK Jan 2017 #4
I don't need to be an economist to know that sounds right. randome Jan 2017 #5
INFLATION CountAllVotes Jan 2017 #2
Massive inflation is what I thought, as well, including stuff from Ilsa Jan 2017 #10
yep CountAllVotes Jan 2017 #12
Unless we have a good trade agreement with Japan, what is Ilsa Jan 2017 #13
And a stronger dollar kills exports ... dawg Jan 2017 #3
And if they reopen, robots will be working there, not humans bravenak Jan 2017 #6
Do you think that wages will rise to meet the inflated cost of goods? Yavin4 Jan 2017 #7
They need to raise the minimum wage. RDANGELO Jan 2017 #9
With this congress??!?!?!? Yavin4 Jan 2017 #20
They need to couple that with a raise in the minimum wage. RDANGELO Jan 2017 #8
Pretty sure Paul Krugman would disagree. sarcasmo Jan 2017 #11
Economic reporter on cnn said 40 million jobs would be at risk. NT Ilsa Jan 2017 #14
"not by that much" is the important thing; in theory, it should do it a bit muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #15
Smoot-Hawley Traiff Act of 1930, Signed by Herbert Hoover vlyons Jan 2017 #16
THIS RIGHT HERE! Ilsa Jan 2017 #17
post the link on your social media platforms vlyons Jan 2017 #19
The idiocy of this approach is the assumption that other countries won't grantcart Jan 2017 #18
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. Trump said the dollar was too strong. He's clearly trying to weaken our economy.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:20 AM
Jan 2017

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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randome

(34,845 posts)
5. I don't need to be an economist to know that sounds right.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:28 AM
Jan 2017
I guess Trump's very big brain is too distracted by other things.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
2. INFLATION
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:21 AM
Jan 2017

That is what it will cause, massive inflation on imports.

Not everyone will be in a position not to buy the imported items they need being they cannot seem to make a lot of this stuff in the USA.

before you take a Dump would ya tRump??



Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
10. Massive inflation is what I thought, as well, including stuff from
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:44 AM
Jan 2017

Other countries. They may not go as high as 20%, but that price increase gives them a chance to raise their product 19%.

And you're right: too many people, esp those living on the edge now, won't be able to manage the increase. I would expect crime to increase with it.

CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
12. yep
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:51 AM
Jan 2017

One thing that comes to mind is car parts.

I have an old Honda that I still drive. If anything goes wrong, many of the parts needed do come from Japan.

What a horse's arse we have in that White House!



Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
13. Unless we have a good trade agreement with Japan, what is
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:13 PM
Jan 2017

to keep them from raising prices when the US is already experiencing inflation.

Mexico produces tires for multiple tire companies, appliances, pharmaceuticals, autos, etc.

www.worldstopexports.com

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
7. Do you think that wages will rise to meet the inflated cost of goods?
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:30 AM
Jan 2017

If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
8. They need to couple that with a raise in the minimum wage.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:32 AM
Jan 2017

I have a hard time believing most Republicans would go along with this.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
15. "not by that much" is the important thing; in theory, it should do it a bit
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:37 PM
Jan 2017

but not by 20%. The idea is that imports do become more expensive for US consumers, making it easier for US manufacturers to sell their goods in the USA at higher prices, employing Americans. With less demand to exchange dollars for other currencies, the price of those other currencies will go down a bit, relative to the dollar - ie the dollar will strengthen. But since the rate is not set solely by the imports and exports, you wouldn't expect it change enough to fully offset the import tax.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
16. Smoot-Hawley Traiff Act of 1930, Signed by Herbert Hoover
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:41 PM
Jan 2017

Those who do not learn from history are fated to repeat it.

"Other countries retaliated and world trade shrank enormously; by the end of 1934 world trade had plummeted some 66 percent from the 1929 level."

http://americastradepolicy.com/did-the-smoot-hawley-tariff-cause-the-great-depression/#.WIt2-n2QsfI

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
19. post the link on your social media platforms
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:54 PM
Jan 2017

The web has a lot of info on the Smoot-Hawley tariffs. It's been hotly debated for decades. But the trade and jobs numbers don't lie.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
18. The idiocy of this approach is the assumption that other countries won't
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:50 PM
Jan 2017

reciprocate when we know that they will.

These superficial moves not only trigger trade wars but currency wars.

One of the main reasons for the European was to kill cross currency leveraging and speculative currency trading.

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