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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy anger at tbe Democratic Party establishment is growing!
I know; they don't control anything, but GOD DAM IT: POLITICS IS PERCEPTION!
There a few, Maxine Waters comes to mind, but the overall coordinated opposition to this new American fascist regime is PATHETIC!
We are in real danger, folks! There should be a daily talking point, echoed by ALL, about how Trump is a threat to everything this nation stands for.
Think I'm wrong? What would the GOP be doing if the shoe was on the other foot?
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)With John Lewis as VP
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)He'd be 80. She'd be 82. But then again we may be so bad that having two strong leaders will trump age.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)People are righteously pissed off! The democratic establishment better get behind those awesome patriots that marched here and around the world or they will get run over!
Business as usual ain't going to cut it with BLOTUS Trump!
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)compsports
(91 posts)I have had the same thoughts but had trouble putting them into words. So thank you for your post.
Whom do we call to put the pressure on besides our Democratic Senators and Representatives? The offices of Pelosi and Schumer and the rest of the Democratic Leadership? What other offices should we be calling?
I am finding alot of outrage on twitter by Democrats but that seems to fall short big time even though I guess it is better than nothing.
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SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)You're attacking the wrong side.
Paladin
(28,264 posts)"FIRED-UP DEM BASE MARCHING PAST ITS LEADERS"
Read the article and play some catch-up.
Ace Rothstein
(3,163 posts)Longtime lurker 99
(88 posts)Compared to republicans. But the representatives have a backbone
2001 - Bush loss the popular vote and barely won the electoral college because of Florida. The Senate was 51-49. And the republicans ruled as if Bush won in a landslide and they had a filibuster proof major thanks to weak Democrats.
2009 - Obama won the popular vote by 7 points and the electoral college in a landslide. The Dems had a 59-41 advantage, but governed like Obama barely won and as if the Senate was 50-50. While the republicans blocked and obstructed everything.
2017 - repeat of 2001
coco22
(1,258 posts)bluedogs or republican lite until some major issue comes up where Dems need to win then the so called Dems runs to help their REAL party,Lieberman comes to mind.
coco22
(1,258 posts)politicat
(9,808 posts)Democrats have been objecting. In two hundred years, there have only been 9 choices for a cabinet position denied. That we're objecting to 6 so strongly is unprecedented. And while the narrative Yertle put out was of no cooperation, it was far more narrative than actual practice.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/27/14397448/democrats-trump-cabinet
On Ben Carson: this is my personal opinion, and I could be wrong. I think he's ignorant of government, boneheadedly wrong on some of his opinions, and is typical of most neurosurgeons in that he's got a swelled ego. He's spent his life receiving flawed and just provably wrong information from his faith and does not think critically about his faith and the cultural aspects of it. But I do think he is capable of learning and critical thinking, capable of empathy, capable of evolving when exposed to better information than what he has gathered by osmosis. He seems to want to see HUD survive and the mission protected. I don't think he's bent on destruction, unlike, say, DeVos or Perry.
I get and often share the desire for a complete hands off, total resistance, but I also recognize how unprecedented the level of resistance is now.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)That's just wrong!
Vinca
(50,278 posts)Show some grit. A little rebellion is a good thing. They only have to look at history to learn where this "can't we all just get along" attitude has gotten them: nowhere. People think of Democrats as weak and spineless.
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)Blah, blah blah. And the kabookie dance continues.
Paladin
(28,264 posts)If our politicians are incapable of dealing with this catastrophe in D.C., we'll end up having to settle it in the streets.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)But in the mean time, sure, vote for Ben Carson for HUD, vote for Price for HHS, vote for Pompeo for CIA, vote for Perry for DOE.
Who cares if they're ideologically poisoned, End-Times shitbags or pig-ignorant of the offices they're seeking? I mean, we wouldn't want to appear all partisan, would we?
brutus smith
(685 posts)brutus smith
(685 posts)They are running ads urging Sen. Brown, who is up for reelection in 2018, to vote for trump's cabinet picks.
Cha
(297,323 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)If everything Donald Trump or the Republicans do is the worst thing ever, then it's really hard to get people's attention when he really does do something dangerous.
Frankly I don't take me cues on how to behave from the Republicans. Just because Mitch McConnell is an asshat, doesn't mean I have to be one.
Linc13
(59 posts)has gotten us so much in government this go around? "Tortoise and the Hare" is just a cute children's story. Not a blueprint for success. Politics is a contact sport. Having a ruthless streak and a killer instinct is how the Republicans keep getting the house and senate.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)I love that scene!
That's my impression of some Democrats too, unfortunately.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Or is this from a misunderstanding of what politics does, and doesn't do?
My representatives are fighting a good fight--they're Democrats.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Twice, in Texas, a group of Democrats staged walkouts so as to prevent a quorum. Most recently in 2004, during a fight over redistricting, they actually left the state to avoid being dragged back by law enforcement. The redistricting bill eventually passed when one of them caved and came back. Still, I think it was an important act of rebellion for the minority, even if only symbolic. They can also be primaried and should never forget it.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)There would have been a real threat of civil war if "the will of the people" were not respected. I'm betting Dems would have been first in line to help abolish the EC, in the name of "fairness".
I'm pretty sure Dump had contingency plans in place for that scenario.
And yes, I'm very frustrated too.
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)The Congress needs to hear from us. This is our country you know. A lot of serious stuff is happening. This should not be ignored.
dawg
(10,624 posts)Hopefully, they'll make a stand against DeVos, and possibly Price.
I don't think they believe it would be either effective, or politically wise, to throw up lockstep opposition to everyone Trump tries to appoint.
And, actually, I agree with that.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Look at the GOP...in eight years they took it all by using the opposition tactic... do not collude with Republicans... I told Tim Ryan that if he colludes with the GOP, he will pay a price...and they all should. This is not business as usual. That sort of thinking has gotten us where we are today. Democrats can not allow the GOP to pain them as GOP light...they are the same meme.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)He says they have a plan. I'm going to give them more than 7 days to see if they're playing the long game or rolling over like defeated children.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)they are...yada yada...and it will mean nothing in the end. I give them no more days...they need to fight Trump and I am confident they will.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)From what I hear many Democrats have been calling Elizabeth Warren who surprisingly voted for Carson...got an earful...I called everyone yesterday. Also, my daughter and I live too far to visit their offices regularly, but we send daily post cards...we also get an email everyday about a priority...and we will be marching again.. We are also working towards a successful mid-term. Don't wait for your leaders fight...fight.
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IntraPolitico
(51 posts)The Democratic Party needs remodelling and it needs fresher faces. Whoever will run in 2020 (and ideally win) will be somebody that nobody expects.
jrthin
(4,836 posts)They behave spineless when in comes to protecting their voters from bad policy. It seems they act on what (they think) looks good for their next election and protecting their tushes. They seem seriously out of touch with their base.
jalan48
(13,870 posts)Somewhere along the way we lost our roots and our way. Time to get them back.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)If the democratic party members in office don't IMMEDIATELY declare complete and total war against Tyrant Trump they will be left behind!
The Democratic Base Is Marching Right Past Its Leaders
Newly minted activists want Democrats in Washington to actually fight against Trump or get out of the way.
01/26/2017
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028546237